Cactus521

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I was able to setup and configure FSEarthtiles to create photoreal scenery for P3dV4 even though it uses the FSX entry.  I used the tools from the P3DV4 SDK and imported them to the FSEarthtiles program folder.  Required a few tweaks of the config file but I was able to get it to work and create a small sample area of Napa, where I used to live.  I don't know if I will do any big projects but I would like to render the Phoenix metro area.  I have a lot of photoreal scenery on my old computer, but I have to have that serviced if I want to use it.  Otherwise I will be back to creating it again.

John

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It is pretty cool to create something and then actually fly over it (or thru it or in it, ha!). I think we all tend to lean towards seeing our house, our town or our home airport when we start out developing or just flying.  Congrats.

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11 hours ago, Cactus521 said:

I was able to setup and configure FSEarthtiles to create photoreal scenery for P3dV4 even though it uses the FSX entry.  I used the tools from the P3DV4 SDK and imported them to the FSEarthtiles program folder.  Required a few tweaks of the config file but I was able to get it to work and create a small sample area of Napa, where I used to live.  I don't know if I will do any big projects but I would like to render the Phoenix metro area.  I have a lot of photoreal scenery on my old computer, but I have to have that serviced if I want to use it.  Otherwise I will be back to creating it again.

John

Have you compared the quality to Megascenery Earth V3 or ultrares?  (these are the highest quality they have out, 4x is not higher).. i'm going through this myself right now.. i find that the size of fsearthtiles areas are usually huge compared to MSE.. ie: PA is around 50GB for MSE, at res1 in FSET its 380GB or more.. res2 around 98GB.. i thought res 1 looked closest, but for one state thats huge... what resolution are you opting for

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3 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

Have you compared the quality to Megascenery Earth V3 or ultrares?  (these are the highest quality they have out, 4x is not higher).. i'm going through this myself right now.. i find that the size of fsearthtiles areas are usually huge compared to MSE.. ie: PA is around 50GB for MSE, at res1 in FSET its 380GB or more.. res2 around 98GB.. i thought res 1 looked closest, but for one state thats huge... what resolution are you opting for

This is probably because MSE compresses their compiled bgls.  You have the option to do this as well in the FSEarthTiles ini file.  I've heard that setting the compression value to 80 is the best compromise between quality and size.  I'm not sure what size MSE uses.  But that's probably why the difference.

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8 minutes ago, klamal said:

This is probably because MSE compresses their compiled bgls.  You have the option to do this as well in the FSEarthTiles ini file.  I've heard that setting the compression value to 80 is the best compromise between quality and size.  I'm not sure what size MSE uses.  But that's probably why the difference.

Ah nice, i didnt realize this setting.  edit: tried switching from 100 to 80, not much change, unless i didnt get the grid identical on reopening.

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16 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

Have you compared the quality to Megascenery Earth V3 or ultrares?  (these are the highest quality they have out, 4x is not higher).. i'm going through this myself right now.. i find that the size of fsearthtiles areas are usually huge compared to MSE.. ie: PA is around 50GB for MSE, at res1 in FSET its 380GB or more.. res2 around 98GB.. i thought res 1 looked closest, but for one state thats huge... what resolution are you opting for

I compress my scenery in FSEarthtiles to 90, it's a pretty decent compromise in quality and makes measurably smaller bgl's.  I tried the Megascenery Phoenix demo in P3dv4 and it would not display regardless of where I put the scenery and I even tried manually adding the scenery to my scenery.cfg, then tried placing the bgls with my other photoreal scenery.  No luck.  I won't risk purchasing the product, much as I would like to, only to have it not work in P3dV4.  I had to do some tweaks to get FSEarthtiles to work with P3D's SDK tools, had to do the same with FSX however.  I saved off my .ini file which supports Google Earth and Virtual Earth.  I got the settings from some website that had a tutorial on FSEarthtiles.  Never could get water masks to work in it however, I have to use the exclude option on the coastlines which is tedious work, for that reason I stick to inland areas when rendering my scenery. 

Also I use 2m as opposed to 1M.  Above 1000 ft. AGL the scenery looks fine, higher up, better still.

John

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3 minutes ago, Cactus521 said:

I compress my scenery in FSEarthtiles to 90, it's a pretty decent compromise in quality and makes measurably smaller bgl's.  I tried the Megascenery Phoenix demo in P3dv4 and it would not display regardless of where I put the scenery and I even tried manually adding the scenery to my scenery.cfg, then tried placing the bgls with my other photoreal scenery.  No luck.  I won't risk purchasing the product, much as I would like to, only to have it not work in P3dV4.  I had to do some tweaks to get FSEarthtiles to work with P3D's SDK tools, had to do the same with FSX however.  I saved off my .ini file which supports Google Earth and Virtual Earth.  I got the settings from some website that had a tutorial on FSEarthtiles.  Never could get water masks to work in it however, I have to use the exclude option on the coastlines which is tedious work, for that reason I stick to inland areas when rendering my scenery. 

Also I use 2m as opposed to 1M.  Above 1000 ft. AGL the scenery looks fine, higher up, better still.

John

i have all my MSE sceneries working in p3dv4.. i had to make sure their entries were above FTX ones (i think).

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1 minute ago, theskyisthelimit said:

i have all my MSE sceneries working in p3dv4.. i had to make sure their entries were above FTX ones (i think).

Maybe their demo just wasn't updated for P3dV4?  My homespun colorado scenery worked even though it used FSX's SDK.  It's here in the file library if you want to give it a try, it's eight downloads.  Took half a day to package up to stay compliant with Avsim's library rules but I got about 700 downloads for my effort plus a couple of thank you emails.

John

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10 minutes ago, Cactus521 said:

Maybe their demo just wasn't updated for P3dV4?  My homespun colorado scenery worked even though it used FSX's SDK.  It's here in the file library if you want to give it a try, it's eight downloads.  Took half a day to package up to stay compliant with Avsim's library rules but I got about 700 downloads for my effort plus a couple of thank you emails.

John

Yeah ill definitely give that a shot.. is yours the 2014 one i see in the library.. was that also 2meter res (res2?)

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11 minutes ago, Cactus521 said:

Maybe their demo just wasn't updated for P3dV4?  My homespun colorado scenery worked even though it used FSX's SDK.  It's here in the file library if you want to give it a try, it's eight downloads.  Took half a day to package up to stay compliant with Avsim's library rules but I got about 700 downloads for my effort plus a couple of thank you emails.

John

yeah, they have a new installer that works with p3dv4 (aside from the fact it drives the antivirus mad)

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34 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

Yeah ill definitely give that a shot.. is yours the 2014 one i see in the library.. was that also 2meter res (res2?)

Yes, I created it in 2014.  On a separate partition I have a folder called "Photoreal Scenery".  It has a scenery subfolder but no texture subfolder since there used to be an issue where MSFS would hunt for textures even though none are created.  I place the bgl's in the scenery subfolder then place the scenery at the top of the scenery library (or bottom of the scenery.cfg if you choose to manually add it).

Colorado was my first FSEarthtiles project, had a lot of fun with it, took days to render but the outcome was worth it.  In P3d, since last night, I have added the entire Napa Valley which I fly over with my trike ultralight, also in the library here.  P3d fixed a bug where the prop would disappear behind cumulus clouds on FSDS2 aircraft.  Love flying my trike since I've flown trikes real world, I pegged the flight dynamics down to a single place trike, hand coded the custom gauges in xml to match those of an ultralight, and got the sounds from a gentleman named Dean Scott who created the sound for his MSFS weedhopper add-on.  He gave permission for me to bundle the Rotax sounds with my trike, they are the most realistic I have ever found.

Just finished a half hour flight up my Napa Valley Photoreal scenery.

John

 

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I purchased MSE California, I will see how that works, a gamble but I know they will provide good support given the user base here.  I'm installing it, once downloaded, in P3dV4.

John

Midway thru my download I did a check.  I had to manually add the scenery.cfg, the installer didn't support P3dV4.  I unpacked the bgl's and saw a sliver of California Photoreal when I zoomed out in spot view.  It's a long download process, not well managed, you have to select many links to install the scenery.  FSEarthtiles is arguably easier to deal with, but I will see where this goes.

John

 

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13 minutes ago, Cactus521 said:

I purchased MSE California, I will see how that works, a gamble but I know they will provide good support given the user base here.  I'm installing it, once downloaded, in P3dV4.

John

Awesome. Did you make sure to get v3 not x4. X4 is pretty bad at least the region's I had 

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Yes, got v3, it's a challenging process to download and manage.  They should bundle an installer that makes it easier.  The downloads are dragging on, but I will probably be finished with this by 2020 LOL.

John

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14 hours ago, Cactus521 said:

I purchased MSE California,

 

Wow, did you try the great freeware photo sceneries from Blue Sky Scenery? They propose many Western US states including California.

Really higher quality than MSE payware IMOH. To me, MSE is probably the worst photo provider in our sim world...

By the way I'm working on a full autogen cover for California state.

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49 minutes ago, roland_lfor said:

Wow, did you try the great freeware photo sceneries from Blue Sky Scenery? They propose many Western US states including California.

Really higher quality than MSE payware IMOH. To me, MSE is probably the worst photo provider in our sim world...

By the way I'm working on a full autogen cover for California state.

I tested/compared some blue sky scenery to MSE.. if you compare it to the v3 or ultrares MSE, MSE still wins in clarity and quality.. but it wasnt bad for higher level flying.. so for the price of free you cant complain.

The autogen sounds amazing.. any screen shots?  Are you using that 3rd party tool to generate it (forget what it was called).. it looked too involved for my time constraints :)

 

 

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I'm using several tools but the main one is ScenProc from Arno (magician of FSDeveloper!)

This shot is a dev preview of buildings around Los Angles-KLAX (LA city counts around 4 millions of autogen buildings so it requires P3Dv4 with x64 I guess to avoid OOM :biggrin:)

859021LAAutogen.jpg

I found also a great and detailed source to create various vegetation so I expect a nice vegetation coverage. But still a lot to do, dozen of hours of computing and checking...

 

Actually I have already covered several European countries (Italy, Germany, Portugal, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Greece...) All can be downloaded from F-BMPL (Filipo's web site), autogen section.

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17 minutes ago, roland_lfor said:

All can be downloaded from F-BMPL (Filipo's web site), autogen section.

Awesome job!!  Will this work in P3D v3 and v4?

Edit:  That was maybe a dumb question.  I think v4 might be the only option due to VAS no longer being an issue.  :)

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43 minutes ago, roland_lfor said:

I'm using several tools but the main one is ScenProc from Arno (magician of FSDeveloper!)

This shot is a dev preview of buildings around Los Angles-KLAX (LA city counts around 4 millions of autogen buildings so it requires P3Dv4 with x64 I guess to avoid OOM :biggrin:)

 

I found also a great and detailed source to create various vegetation so I expect a nice vegetation coverage. But still a lot to do, dozen of hours of computing and checking...

 

Actually I have already covered several European countries (Italy, Germany, Portugal, Ireland, Switzerland, Belgium, Greece...) All can be downloaded from F-BMPL (Filipo's web site), autogen section.

 

ScenProc thats it :)  And wow, awesome stuff!

So i guess obviously photoscenery is needed for the agn to work.. i took a look at the austria page.. very nice there.. any suggestions for an easy/free/cheap photoscenery for austria to utilize the agn? (Maybe i should just find some hdd space and go the route of res2 80% compression fsearthtiles with bing?

Hoping you put the LA stuff up there once done.. truly awesome.. if you ever feel like doing the pittsburgh, PA usa area .. well.. that would be amazing (no one ever does much in my home area).. or maybe its time i research how do to this.. just seems a bit involved.

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1 hour ago, klamal said:

Awesome job!!  Will this work in P3D v3 and v4?

It should run well on both, but maybe you will have to reduce the autogen density setting with v3 to avoid OOM over LA area. This is really a unique hudge place!



 

35 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

So i guess obviously photoscenery is needed for the agn to work..

Sure



 

35 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

any suggestions for an easy/free/cheap photoscenery for austria to utilize the agn?

I'm not the author of Austrian autogen and don't have any photoscenery (yet), sorry. But you should really avoid MSE for european sceneries.


 

35 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

Hoping you put the LA stuff up there once done

Sure I will

35 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

if you ever feel like doing the pittsburgh, PA

Not planned at this time because I don't know any freeware photoscenery source for PA.

 

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4 hours ago, roland_lfor said:

Wow, did you try the great freeware photo sceneries from Blue Sky Scenery? They propose many Western US states including California.

Really higher quality than MSE payware IMOH. To me, MSE is probably the worst photo provider in our sim world...

By the way I'm working on a full autogen cover for California state.

I've used BlueSky scenery before, but the coverage isn't complete.  MSE California is good enough, flew from Napa to past Monterey and was pleased with what I saw, although the resolution isn't as sharp as I expected, like mine it seems to be 2M.  But that is good enough at altitude in most aircraft.  I will use FSEarthtiles to render non-coastal areas when I have time, that seems to be the fastest route to generating photoreal scenery away from coastlines, and the quality can be adjusted.

John

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9 minutes ago, Cactus521 said:

I've used BlueSky scenery before, but the coverage isn't complete

Do you mean for California?
 

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21 minutes ago, roland_lfor said:

Do you mean for California?
 

Yes, some parts are missing in California although most of the state is complete.  Also, the scenery used is quite a bit older than current scenery, such as my old hometown of Napa which is missing a stretch of freeway in the north part of the city.

John

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1 hour ago, Cactus521 said:

Yes, some parts are missing in California although most of the state is complete.  Also, the scenery used is quite a bit older than current scenery, such as my old hometown of Napa which is missing a stretch of freeway in the north part of the city.

John

For this, are you referring to the new california you just downloaded (the v3)?  Surprised at the quality part at least.. maybe it differs state to state.  They stated v3 was 50cm i thought, maybe not, maybe not everywhere in the region.

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there non specific description (doesnt say which version) says this:

Original imagery is captured at 50 cm to 2 meters per pixel. They are resampled to display in FSX at 1.19 meters per pixel

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6 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

For this, are you referring to the new california you just downloaded (the v3)?  Surprised at the quality part at least.. maybe it differs state to state.  They stated v3 was 50cm i thought, maybe not, maybe not everywhere in the region.

 

No, I was referring to the Blue Sky scenery.  The Megascenery I downloaded is not 50cm, too small of a download size, took hours enough to download what I have, some 60+ zips.  It's a good compromise however, since most of my California trips are in the flight levels between SF and LA in the Mirage and Citation.  If I ever add other states thru FSEarthtiles, that scenery will blend in well.  Again, California is probably the only Megascenery product I will have, it was just easier to purchase it rather than spend days rendering it with FSEarthtiles.  Today or tomorrow I will start rendering the Phoenix metro area in Arizona with FSEarthtiles.

John

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