October 27, 20178 yr 12 hours ago, S_D said: so I thought it simplest to buy a regular retail chip and delid it myself (and I've had notification that my delid-die-mate-2 will arrive tomorrow, coincidentally). The 5GHz bin chips were £499 (I paid £359 for a regular chip). Quite a premium. All the best, Simon Die mate 2 is great Simon. Very easy to use. If you decide to glue the IHS back on (I did) it comes with a nice clamp for the process. I was thinking of allowing it to float and relying on the socket clamp, but so as to have less issue with the IHS moving around I glued. I Used UHU RTV Silicone from Amazon. Same stuff der8auer uses. Very thin layer though, just a smear. I was very conscious of not undoing my fine delidding work and once again increasing the gap with gobs of glue.
October 27, 20178 yr 12 hours ago, S_D said: Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to evacuate the kitchen of girlfriend, cat, and anything else that's valuable when I do it! The trick with the syringe is to use both hands, so the fingers on one had can resist the plungers tendency to shoot right in and splatter the cat. Knowing my cat, he would have attempted to eat it. As a kitten he swallowed string. Found it sicked up INSIDE my toaster the next morning.
October 28, 20178 yr Looks like they will have binned 8700K at some point. When they say de-lidded, does that also imply re-lidded, or no? Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
October 29, 20178 yr 16 hours ago, Noel said: Looks like they will have binned 8700K at some point. When they say de-lidded, does that also imply re-lidded, or no? Yep, that means removing the lid, applying liquid metal and reattaching. Nice that they will replace the CPU you send them if they mess it up. What they don't say is how they glue the IHS back. I know some use super glue, which I'm not a fan of. Quote Delidding: IHS is carefully removed from the CPU. VRMs and contact pads are coated with liquid electric tape, if applicable. Stock thermal paste is replaced with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal. IHS is sealed back into place, so the CPU can be treated just as if it were stock. We guarantee a successful delidding process, and will offer a replacement of the same processor model if any physical damage occurs during delidding. There is no need to replace the liquid metal over time. We've been selling delidded processors for three years without any reports of thermal degradation. https://siliconlottery.com/collections/sl/products/delid
October 29, 20178 yr 6 minutes ago, martin-w said: Yep, that means removing the lid, applying liquid metal and reattaching. Nice that they will replace the CPU you send them if they mess it up. What they don't say is how they glue the IHS back. I know some use super glue, which I'm not a fan of. https://siliconlottery.com/collections/sl/products/delid This seem sketchy to me. The bring in say 100 CPU's, test them, de-lid, take your amazing over clocker you just won in the lottery and send you back a very average CPU....although nicely delidded. Do these things have a serial number or something you can see in the BIOS to prevent this from happening? Mark CYYZ
October 29, 20178 yr 36 minutes ago, MarkW said: This seem sketchy to me. The bring in say 100 CPU's, test them, de-lid, take your amazing over clocker you just won in the lottery and send you back a very average CPU....although nicely delidded. Do these things have a serial number or something you can see in the BIOS to prevent this from happening? you have the last 5digits in the serial number on the PCB http://
October 29, 20178 yr 1 hour ago, MarkW said: This seem sketchy to me. The bring in say 100 CPU's, test them, de-lid, take your amazing over clocker you just won in the lottery and send you back a very average CPU....although nicely delidded. Do these things have a serial number or something you can see in the BIOS to prevent this from happening? Absolutely, one would love to know what percentage of CPUs they take in get damaged during delidding so they end up sending a different proc back. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
October 29, 20178 yr 2 hours ago, MarkW said: This seem sketchy to me. The bring in say 100 CPU's, test them, de-lid, take your amazing over clocker you just won in the lottery and send you back a very average CPU....although nicely delidded. Do these things have a serial number or something you can see in the BIOS to prevent this from happening? I doubt they would do that. It would only take one individual who has taken note of their serial number to notice and their business would be screwed. Customers would drop like flies. We can't assume they are an unscrupulous company.
October 29, 20178 yr 43 minutes ago, Noel said: Absolutely, one would love to know what percentage of CPUs they take in get damaged during delidding so they end up sending a different proc back. Very minimal, after all, delidding is pretty easy. They are bound to be using one of the tools, or their own purpose built version. It's not a difficult task.
October 29, 20178 yr 26 minutes ago, martin-w said: Very minimal, after all, delidding is pretty easy. They are bound to be using one of the tools, or their own purpose built version. It's not a difficult task. OK, now if Ice Lake turns out not to be what its name implies, how much for the tool? I went to the website for Die Mate 2 or whatever it was and could not find it for sale. Sounds like if you have a great proc best practice would be to do it oneself, the delidding that is. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
October 30, 20178 yr Hello, guys. What do you think about upgrading from [email protected] HT=on to 8700k? I fly only in p3dv4.
October 30, 20178 yr 17 hours ago, Noel said: OK, now if Ice Lake turns out not to be what its name implies, how much for the tool? I went to the website for Die Mate 2 or whatever it was and could not find it for sale. Sounds like if you have a great proc best practice would be to do it oneself, the delidding that is. It doesn't seem to be available anymore, only the Delid Die Mate X. Compatible with Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X processors using socket 2066 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/der8auer-delid-die-mate-x-hs-004-dr.html Rockit 88 is another option... https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/ Re Ice Lake, I don't think we know what sort of socket it will be yet do we, or even if it's solder or TIM. Obviously doubtful it will be solder. So perhaps a bit premature to ask given that a new tool may or may not be required.
October 30, 20178 yr For those that don't feel like waiting for late 2018 or 2019 for Ice Lake will it have the same chipset as Coffee Lake (Z390, I think) ? Mark CYYZ
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