Goalie70

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Hi,

  I am currently running v3 (to lazy to upgrade)  with windows 10 and I am looking for good regional airliners for p3d. I am someone who gets very deep into an aircraft's systems and what every setting, switch, and click spot does. I just feel very accomplished when I am able to completely master an aircraft down to the smallest detail. So far I've flown the Majestic Q400, Quality Wings 75, PMDG NG, and the PMDG T7. With that being said are there any models  close to "study plane" level in the regional market. I've looked at the QW BAE 146/Avro RJ and the Aerosoft CRJ. These two problems both have some huge downfalls though. The BAE 146/RJ's problem for me is that there were so few produced, I think like 300 and only a few airlines had them in their fleet. So I'm worried about the number of liveries and routes I can fly with it. (hopefully that makes sense) The problem I have with the CRJ is that according to many people the CRJ is very bugged and the bugs kind of prevent it from being flyable. One of my friends says that he bought it and can't fly it because the NAV function of the autopilot is FOBAR. Don't know is the stories are true but if they are I'm not wasting my money. So am I missing some models, what do you guys think? 

Thanks, 

Andrew

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Hi Andrew,

As per your criteria - it sounds like you only have one choice - the TDFI B717 or as I like to think of it - the MD-95...

Regards,
Scott

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The Majestic Q400 would sort of quality as a regional, give that a look! It should be noted, however, that FlytheMaddog will be releasing their MD-82 by the end of the year, it looks amazing from the pictures and streams I've seen!

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Just picked up the Majestic Q400, excellent model and just interesting period! Now I have to fly by the book...even steering the aircraft by the tiller.

Now if someone would come out with a Prepar V4 version of the ERJ-175/190 aircraft but please nothing from Wilco...pure c**p!

Darryl

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55 minutes ago, Milton Waddams said:

FlytheMaddog will be releasing their MD-82 by the end of the year, it looks amazing from the pictures and streams I've seen!

Hi Milton,

I heard something about that - are they upgrading the model itself to todays standards ?

Got a link ?

Regards,
Scott 

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9 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Milton,

I heard something about that - are they upgrading the model itself to todays standards ?

Got a link ?

Regards,
Scott 

It seems everything is getting an upgrade, both visual and system wise. Here's a link to their Facebook where they have some previews of it: https://m.facebook.com/LeonardoSoftHouse/

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2 hours ago, Goalie70 said:

Hi,

  I am currently running v3 (to lazy to upgrade)  with windows 10 and I am looking for good regional airliners for p3d. I am someone who gets very deep into an aircraft's systems and what every setting, switch, and click spot does. I just feel very accomplished when I am able to completely master an aircraft down to the smallest detail. So far I've flown the Majestic Q400, Quality Wings 75, PMDG NG, and the PMDG T7. With that being said are there any models  close to "study plane" level in the regional market. I've looked at the QW BAE 146/Avro RJ and the Aerosoft CRJ. These two problems both have some huge downfalls though. The BAE 146/RJ's problem for me is that there were so few produced, I think like 300 and only a few airlines had them in their fleet. So I'm worried about the number of liveries and routes I can fly with it. (hopefully that makes sense) The problem I have with the CRJ is that according to many people the CRJ is very bugged and the bugs kind of prevent it from being flyable. One of my friends says that he bought it and can't fly it because the NAV function of the autopilot is FOBAR. Don't know is the stories are true but if they are I'm not wasting my money. So am I missing some models, what do you guys think? 

Thanks, 

Andrew

Safe Flights

Hi Andrew.

I am still on P3dv3.

In my honest opinion the Aerosoft CRJ is a very good simulation. Mostly programmed by one man, over a number of years, it must have been a labour of love.

I too enjoy, so called study level simulations. The Majestic Dash 8 being up there at the top of my list. I also enjoyed the FSW Lear. Although the latter is not really a "regional"!

However, on my PC, I see a flawless simulation in the CRJ. If you wish to see it in action, with the "beta" version of Multi Crew Experience take a look at my You Tube site. The last three movies cover the aircraft when flown with a first officer with flows and checklists.The link is in my signature.

The CRJ has many features that deserve deeper study. The MFDU's and FMC's are "dual". With the advantage independent units offer (similar to the Mjc).  Without a fully automated VNav, you have to fly the aircraft using speed and thrust settings. In my opinion this adds to the pleasure and satisfaction of the simulation. You can not just take off, hit LNav and VNav, fold your arms and have a nap!

Anyway for what it's worth, that's my opinion.:biggrin:

Best regards

David

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1 hour ago, Milton Waddams said:

The Majestic Q400 would sort of quality as a regional, give that a look! It should be noted, however, that FlytheMaddog will be releasing their MD-82 by the end of the year, it looks amazing from the pictures and streams I've seen!

I have the Q400 in my hangar and I flew that everyday for 10 months straight, even if that meant getting up before school. However I could never get used to the flight dynamics. I had an extremely hard time hand flying this Majestic beauty. I still fly it every now and then since I only have 5 others in my hangar, but it's not one that I enjoy.

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7 minutes ago, charlie130 said:

Hi Andrew.

I am still on P3dv3.

In my honest opinion the Aerosoft CRJ is a very good simulation. Mostly programmed by one man, over a number of years, it must have been a labour of love.

I too enjoy, so called study level simulations. The Majestic Dash 8 being up there at the top of my list. I also enjoyed the FSW Lear. Although the latter is not really a "regional"!

However, on my PC, I see a flawless simulation in the CRJ. If you wish to see it in action, with the "beta" version of Multi Crew Experience take a look at my You Tube site. The last three movies cover the aircraft when flown with a first officer with flows and checklists.The link is in my signature.

The CRJ has many features that deserve deeper study. The MFDU's and FMC's are "dual". With the advantage independent units offer (similar to the Mjc).  Without a fully automated VNav, you have to fly the aircraft using speed and thrust settings. In my opinion this adds to the pleasure and satisfaction of the simulation. You can not just take off, hit LNav and VNav, fold your arms and have a nap!

Anyway for what it's worth, that's my opinion.:biggrin:

Best regards

David

David,

    Thanks do much for your opinion. It really makes me think. It's just many horror stories of CRJ bugs which hold me back from closing my eyes and clicking purchase.

Thanks again

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21 hours ago, Goalie70 said:

David,

    Thanks do much for your opinion. It really makes me think. It's just many horror stories of CRJ bugs which hold me back from closing my eyes and clicking purchase.

Thanks again

Out of the many hundreds of copies they have sold, you never hear many folks going on the forums and praising things. You mostly hear folks that want to moan! It's a strange thing? Like Shakespeare once said, the fears that were not grew to faults assured.

I have only one issue, the HUD is not always displaying all the flight information. The dev knows about this and is working on it. I know a few "traditionalists" or like me, old bug..rs, who hate HUD's anyway!:happy:

Best regards

David

 

 

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Hi David,

Watched your great videos with MCE and the CRJ - looks very impressive - it's on the definite buy list for me... Being that we both have the same appreciation for the FSW Lear - your opinion carries a great deal of weight... This might be a suitable replacement for my old ERJ - lol - although I still like the looks of the ERJ better...

Regards,
Scott

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Don't buy the CRJ.. you will pay $50 of your money only to find you are uninstalling it a few flights later because it's so buggy 

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13 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

Hi David,

Watched your great videos with MCE and the CRJ - looks very impressive - it's on the definite buy list for me... Being that we both have the same appreciation for the FSW Lear - your opinion carries a great deal of weight... This might be a suitable replacement for my old ERJ - lol - although I still like the looks of the ERJ better...

Regards,
Scott

Hello again Scott, you ol' Dolphin!

The CRJ gives me the same satisfaction (I am flying the aircraft) that the Lear does. The difference is the CRJ behaves impeccably in climb or descent under FADEC thrust and autopilot commanded speed (read pitch) settings. She climbs and descends with superb accuracy. If your flying VATSIM or ai ATC that issues demanding altitude/speed restrictions, this ship will be your cup of tea.

The FMC is a work of art too. Dual split FMC and MFDU's! 

Slap on a MCE first officer (full release next week) and where did I leave that gold braided hat?:biggrin:

Best regards

David

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16 hours ago, Mitch24 said:

Don't buy the CRJ.. you will pay $50 of your money only to find you are uninstalling it a few flights later because it's so buggy 

Not having any such experiences. Yes, a couple of minor bugs which I'm sure will be fixed, but nothing serious enough to make me want to uninstall it. I'm not having the NAV issues that some people seem to be having (there was 1 issue on a known waypoint) but other than that it flies perfectly for me. The earlier versions were very buggy (NAV issue, hiding of the yoke, some issues with DAVE not disconnecting the GPU or closing doors) but the latest version has fixed all this for me. I hope you get your issues sorted out because it's a really fun aircraft to fly. Challenging to learn too, I'm still trying to get to grips with many elements of it.

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Another thumbs up for the CRJ. It will keep you involved in the sim just as much as the Q400 but flies much much more predictably. Runs great in P3D4. Aero soft scored big by collaborating with this developer. And, and this is ONLY my speculation, if they are working with Digital on their Airbus, then that one should be a big win as well.

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7 minutes ago, jalbino59 said:

Another thumbs up for the CRJ. It will keep you involved in the sim just as much as the Q400 but flies much much more predictably. Runs great in P3D4. Aero soft scored big by collaborating with this developer. And, and this is ONLY my speculation, if they are working with Digital on their Airbus, then that one should be a big win as well.

Hi Jose,

Thanks for the input as well - yeah - I'm not a Boeing/Airbus guy - my favorite "modern" airliners in the past were the Coolsky MD-80 and the Feelthere ERJ (I'm used to FADEC) - so this might be up my alley... LOL - also - based on hours flown, quality for its time, and longevity of use - the DA Cheyenne produced by Hans and Co is my absolute favorite aircraft of all time in FS - and I've been doing this since monochrome...

Regards,
Scott 

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9 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Jose,

Thanks for the input as well - yeah - I'm not a Boeing/Airbus guy - my favorite "modern" airliners in the past were the Coolsky MD-80 and the Feelthere ERJ (I'm used to FADEC) - so this might be up my alley... LOL - also - based on hours flown, quality for its time, and longevity of use - the DA Cheyenne produced by Hans and Co is my absolute favorite aircraft of all time in FS - and I've been doing this since monochrome...

Regards,
Scott 

LOL, Scott, 

I've been using the FS platform on and off since MFS4 days. (I think I still have the 3.5in floppy installation disks around here somewhere), I picked them up during the time I was getting my PPL from an FBO called Wayman out of OpaLocka (KOPF) in North Miami. But I never really got into add-ons until very recently. I agree with you, I like sims that remind me of my own flying experience. Not ones I can't relate to. Don't get me wrong I have the boeings and busses  and they are fun to play around with, I just can't really relate to the way they handle.  That being said the TFDi 717 is pretty cool too. I've had the experience of flying through convective CB in low visibility and scud running, I think their anticipated truglass feature simulates that pretty well. There are some talented young developers coming in now with some really big ideas. That's a good thing.

Regards, 

Jose

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10 minutes ago, jalbino59 said:

LOL, Scott, 

I've been using the FS platform on and off since MFS4 days. (I think I still have the 3.5in floppy installation disks around here somewhere), I picked them up during the time I was getting my PPL from an FBO called Wayman out of OpaLocka (KOPF) in North Miami. But I never really got into add-ons until very recently. I agree with you, I like sims that remind me of my own flying experience. Not ones I can't relate to. Don't get me wrong I have the boeings and busses  and they are fun to play around with, I just can't really relate to the way they handle.  That being said the TFDi 717 is pretty cool too. I've had the experience of flying through convective CB in low visibility and scud running, I think their anticipated truglass feature simulates that pretty well. There are some talented young developers coming in now with some really big ideas. That's a good thing.

Regards, 

Jose

Hi Jose,

Yep - very cool...

Hah - ORBX had Opa Locka Executive on their freeware list for a while but it was all messed up - looked like someone took a stab at it and forgot to get back to it... I think it's since been withdrawn... It would be nice to have an executive airport around Miami to hit...

Ditto - I do spend most of my time in the GA world to complement my RW flying...

The B717 is on my short list as well...

Have a good day...

Regards,
Scott

 

 

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1 hour ago, nealmac said:

Not having any such experiences. Yes, a couple of minor bugs which I'm sure will be fixed, but nothing serious enough to make me want to uninstall it. I'm not having the NAV issues that some people seem to be having (there was 1 issue on a known waypoint) but other than that it flies perfectly for me. The earlier versions were very buggy (NAV issue, hiding of the yoke, some issues with DAVE not disconnecting the GPU or closing doors) but the latest version has fixed all this for me. I hope you get your issues sorted out because it's a really fun aircraft to fly. Challenging to learn too, I'm still trying to get to grips with many elements of it.

I unfortunately have not had such a good experience with the CRJ, yet.  I bought the initial release, updated to the (c) patch, then 1.00.1.

I guess there is something in my system (Win 7, P3D v4.0) install, but I did not have that yoke not disappearing problem until I installed the latest version of the CRJ.  I can live with the NAV tracking issue for now, the discrepancies between the CRJ Load manager vs. Dave; but when the NAV selector source cannot be accessed because I cannot hide the yoke, I cannot get Dave to disconnect GPU and remove the chocks, that parked it for me.

I still have it, waiting for those issues to be fixed. Unfortunately for me, the Aerosoft forum seems somewhat dismissive, but that may be a language translation problem.

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Don't buy the CRJ.. you will pay $50 of your money only to find you are uninstalling it a few flights later because it's so buggy

I paid $60 for the 717, and it has since been uninstalled. Not because of bugs though. I just feel that the flight dynamics are not quite right (I could be wrong about this, but that's how I feel).

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9 minutes ago, BuddyDog said:

I unfortunately have not had such a good experience with the CRJ, yet.  I bought the initial release, updated to the (c) patch, then 1.00.1.

I guess there is something in my system (Win 7, P3D v4.0) install, but I did not have that yoke not disappearing problem until I installed the latest version of the CRJ.  I can live with the NAV tracking issue for now, the discrepancies between the CRJ Load manager vs. Dave; but when the NAV selector source cannot be accessed because I cannot hide the yoke, I cannot get Dave to disconnect GPU and remove the chocks, that parked it for me.

I still have it, waiting for those issues to be fixed. Unfortunately for me, the Aerosoft forum seems somewhat dismissive, but that may be a language translation problem.

Hey Buddy, 

Don't know if this will help you at all but I hope so

As far as hiding the yoke, it works for my by clicking the speed placard on the instrument panel, not the yoke itself. 

I haven't had any issues loading the aircraft but I only use DAVE, and not the load manager included. 

I haven't had any problems getting the chocks and gpu to work or disconnect. I did notice that the GPU will only operate correctly if parking brakes or wheel chocks are set appropriately.  

You may also want to re-download your installer from where you bought it. The version number you have is not the most recent

The latest version is 1.0.1.1    Rev 278.  Here are the fixes they claim 

- [Fixed] FMS/FPLN: Flightplan loading via CoRoute entry
- [Fixed] HGS repositioned (FSX and P3D v3 models added)
- [Fixed] HGS repositioned (P3D v4 models only. P3D v3 and FSX/FSX-SE will follow soonÖ)
- [Added] Configuration Entry for the creation of minidump files. 
The configuration entry must be manually added to CRJ.cfg (CRJ_P3Dv4.cfg for P3D v4) like this:
[Debug]
CreateMinidumps=0
0 = Don't create any minidumps
1 = Create thread-related minidumps only
2 = Create thread- and process-related minidumps
Unless a user experiences crashes, CreateMinidumps should be set to 0
- [Fixed] Thrust reversers now open before reverse thrust is set (and only close after reverse thrust is back to idle)
- [Fixed] Some more improvement in NAV turn calculation. Still needs a bit of fine tuning due to some over- and undershoots.
  Unfortunately the official FAA formulas for turn radius and turn distance anticipation are not applicable as is. 
  Right now, the anticipated turn distance has to be multiplied by 1.35 to avoid a massive overshoot.
- [Fixed] Slightly increased the upper limit for throttle cruise range
- [Fixed] Improved FPV and FD in HGS 

Good Luck!

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Thanks, Jose for the change log.  I probably do have 1.0.1.1, bit will double check the revision number

In my instance, I do use the speed placard to hide the yoke, but clicking it merely creates a millisecond disappearance of the yoke, then it reappears.  That did not start with me until the latest version of the CRJ.

Dave and the chocks/APU is a sometimes works, sometimes doesn't thing.  In my experience, the longer I sit with the aircraft at the gate, Dave decides to take a "nap" and not wake up.

And what is this thing about completely loading a default aircraft at some gate, then changing to the CRJ?  That seems like a FS9 holdover. 

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Thanks guys for all your replies, I thank for your time in helping me. I think for now I going to continue getting my hours up on the NG and revisit this a little bit latter when the ESDG Challenger 605 comes out. 

Thanks Again,

Andrew

Safe Flights

 

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On 10/25/2017 at 3:23 PM, charlie130 said:

Hi Andrew.

I am still on P3dv3.

In my honest opinion the Aerosoft CRJ is a very good simulation. Mostly programmed by one man, over a number of years, it must have been a labour of love.

I too enjoy, so called study level simulations. The Majestic Dash 8 being up there at the top of my list. I also enjoyed the FSW Lear. Although the latter is not really a "regional"!

However, on my PC, I see a flawless simulation in the CRJ. If you wish to see it in action, with the "beta" version of Multi Crew Experience take a look at my You Tube site. The last three movies cover the aircraft when flown with a first officer with flows and checklists.The link is in my signature.

The CRJ has many features that deserve deeper study. The MFDU's and FMC's are "dual". With the advantage independent units offer (similar to the Mjc).  Without a fully automated VNav, you have to fly the aircraft using speed and thrust settings. In my opinion this adds to the pleasure and satisfaction of the simulation. You can not just take off, hit LNav and VNav, fold your arms and have a nap!

Anyway for what it's worth, that's my opinion.:biggrin:

Best regards

David

David, I watched your CRJ 700 MCE YouTube video and thought it was great! Just bought the CRJ last week and so far haven't done much with it other than set up ChasePlane presets. I'm planning on doing one of the tutorial flights soon but for now just trying to observe and absorb others flying it for now. Your video has been very helpful in that regard, so thank you! As soon as I find the time, I'll check out your other CRJ videos.

John

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