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Can anyone help me with some issues I'm having with MCE? I'm operating the FS labs A320 with P3D 4.1 and the latest version of MCE. (as at October 2016) 

When I'm setup with either 2D or Virtual cockpit, I'm requesting various FCU selections such as SPD, ALT or HDG. On some occasions I am hearing the correct read back from my virtual co-pilot and I'm hearing some clicking sounds in the background however I am not seeing a change on the FCU. In other cases, I hearing a vague acknowledgment of the request although it becomes apparent that it certainly was not understood correctly. 

I've done several speech recognition exercise (with a view to training the co-pilot) 

I'm also looking to confirm that the Engine master switches and the overhead fire pushbuttons  and autobrake selections are some of the buttons that are not accessible in P3D as yet?

 

 

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6 hours ago, aidanlegras said:

Can anyone help me with some issues I'm having with MCE? I'm operating the FS labs A320 with P3D 4.1 and the latest version of MCE. (as at October 2016) 

When I'm setup with either 2D or Virtual cockpit, I'm requesting various FCU selections such as SPD, ALT or HDG. On some occasions I am hearing the correct read back from my virtual co-pilot and I'm hearing some clicking sounds in the background however I am not seeing a change on the FCU. In other cases, I hearing a vague acknowledgment of the request although it becomes apparent that it certainly was not understood correctly. 

I've done several speech recognition exercise (with a view to training the co-pilot) 

I'm also looking to confirm that the Engine master switches and the overhead fire pushbuttons  and autobrake selections are some of the buttons that are not accessible in P3D as yet?

 

 

Full FCU control is OK on FsLabs A320 V214.

It's broken in V215, but will be sorted within days.

Only the square flat type of switches on overhead panel, FMC-CDU and Autobrake modes are affected by the inability for co-pilot to simulate those clicks in P3D.

The engine master switches voice control should work.

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Engine master works fine and so do many of the non flat switches, FCU works quite well except setting speed (Copilot can pull/push speedknob,

but not adjust speed.

Peter

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24 minutes ago, Petermuc3 said:

FCU works quite well except setting speed (Copilot can pull/push speedknob,

but not adjust speed.

Peter

Speed detection only happens when airborne. We haven't found a way to read current FCU speed on ground. That's why we don't let him dial it on ground

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That's great news Gerald. Once again great support thanks. Could you point me towards the commands that I should be giving to control the engine masters and the overhead fire pushbuttons as I've tried many different options without success.

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2 hours ago, aidanlegras said:

That's great news Gerald. Once again great support thanks. Could you point me towards the commands that I should be giving to control the engine masters and the overhead fire pushbuttons as I've tried many different options without success.

There are lots of variations. Try these

start master engine one off

start master engine one on

start master engine one open

start master engine one close

open start master engine one

close start master engine one

I only listed the short ones.:smile:

Just curious...

Which command came to you naturally and wasn't recognized. I will show you how you can teach the co-pilot to understand it

 

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Thanks Gerald. I appreciate your help. Airbus has a policy of namin the system first and then the push button/switch and then the required selection so I have tried to maintain than myself. 

"Engine 1, Master: off" is one of several I tried but I would not have tried starting with the word 'start' I'll give that a go a little later and hopefully I'll be able to change around the voxscripts to match what I'm after once I get used to all this. Cheers. 

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7 hours ago, aidanlegras said:

Thanks Gerald. I appreciate your help. Airbus has a policy of namin the system first and then the push button/switch and then the required selection so I have tried to maintain than myself. 

"Engine 1, Master: off" is one of several I tried but I would not have tried starting with the word 'start' I'll give that a go a little later and hopefully I'll be able to change around the voxscripts to match what I'm after once I get used to all this. Cheers. 

Now, here is how you can interact with Fo on your terms. Particularly useful for those emergency situations, where your last worry is to remember the exact phrasing to ask Fo to perform something.

As you already know, Voxscript allows you to create a custom command and get the FO to perform a bunch of things on your request.

As it happens, if you create a flow with a single command, that particular trigger sentence is essentially acting like a translator for the command you add.

Therefore, create a new flow and give it the name based on your natural speech command for handling start master. In this case "engine one master off".

When listed, select it and click <Edit>.

In next screen, enable "verbose" option and go straight to <Edit script commands>

Add one, and only one of the built-in commands FO is trained to understand and don't forget to save.

That's it, from now on, you can command the thing in what you deem the closest to your airline training SOPs.

Normally, we don't allow a script to be run from another script.

Except for those scripts that act like aliases (translators) for existing commands. Therefore, you can just add that custom start master command to any of your flows.

Be aware, flows are created and saved per aircraft type. Therefore those custom commands will only be active when the specific aircraft they are intended for is loaded.

Forgot to list fire switch commands.

Try

fire switch engine one pull

fire handle engine one pull

Again, using the aliasing technique, you could use your own speech command for that.

It's really the closest you can get to "shared cockpit" nirvana. And you don't have to beg someone for his time to share a session doing the less exciting PNF job :tongue:

And you can of course use the exact checklist you're used to with ANY airline.

 

 

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Thanks Gerald, I appreciate the extra info, I'll give that a go when the kids are out of the house tomorrow. 

Will you be emailing us when the FCU interaction that is 'broken' gets fixed. I'm taking it that this will be a replacement install, is that right?

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4 minutes ago, aidanlegras said:

Thanks Gerald, I appreciate the extra info, I'll give that a go when the kids are out of the house tomorrow. 

Will you be emailing us when the FCU interaction that is 'broken' gets fixed. I'm taking it that this will be a replacement install, is that right?

You're welcome.

Will be posting a replacement dll to put inside \Prepar3D v4\MCE dlls\ sometime next week.

Not even need to re-install for this one.

In case you're worried about your personal flows, they are saved to \My Documents\

They never get overwritten on new installation, nor deleted when un-installing MCE.

If you decide to use a custom checklist, don't edit those in MCE installation folder (they will be removed when upgrading). Rather copy one to \My Documents\ or other place, edit it and tell MCE to use that one for a specific aircraft livery.

.And here is a nice video, courtesy of David, that shows how to use Voxscript with any supported aircraft.

With FSL A320, you don't need to create them from scratch. Just modify them to suit your airline SOPs

 

 

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There more I get into MCE, the more I love it.

Plus the support is excellent.

Hopefully a lot of people are buying this so that you continue to develop and update it!

Thanks for such a great product.

 

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On 27/10/2017 at 11:43 AM, FS++ said:

Full FCU control is OK on FsLabs A320 V214.

It's broken in V215, but will be sorted within days.

Only the square flat type of switches on overhead panel, FMC-CDU and Autobrake modes are affected by the inability for co-pilot to simulate those clicks in P3D.

The engine master switches voice control should work.

Hi Gerald,

Have the FCU problems with FS Labs been rectified? You mentioned V215, could you clarify what you're referring to as I have MCE 2.7.3.5. No doubt you're talking about something different. 

I am aware that Airbus flat panel switches such as HYD switches and the like are a longer term discussion but I'm hoping to have the problem with FCU commands that seem to have been heard correctly but then not actioned correctly rectified. I'm not sure what it is I'm waiting for. 

You mentioned a DLL file but I'm a novice at all this and I'm not sure what that is to be honest. Forgive my ignorance. 

Kind regards, Aidan. 

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1 hour ago, aidanlegras said:

You mentioned a DLL file but I'm a novice at all this and I'm not sure what that is to be honest. Forgive my ignorance. 

 

Please download this zip file

Unzip and replace a single file in \Flight Simulator main installation folder\MCE dlls\ folder.

One dll is 64 bit and only intended for P3D V4. The other one is for FSX or P3D V3.4

 

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I've done exactly as requested and there is no improvement. To give you some context I'm requesting the runway track to be set to 313 and getting an accurate verbal acknowledgment but the track gets set to 221 in this case. 

Im also requesting that the speed be selected to 160 knots p, while airborne only, and its showing up as 100 knots. Also there doesn't seem to be much capacity for me to request the FO to "Push speed" or "manage speed" as per Airbus SOP's. 

Perhaps this is a function of not having an SDK available at this point. If so that's ok for now but it's no different to before unfortunately. 

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6 hours ago, aidanlegras said:

I've done exactly as requested and there is no improvement. To give you some context I'm requesting the runway track to be set to 313 and getting an accurate verbal acknowledgment but the track gets set to 221 in this case. 

Im also requesting that the speed be selected to 160 knots p, while airborne only, and its showing up as 100 knots. Also there doesn't seem to be much capacity for me to request the FO to "Push speed" or "manage speed" as per Airbus SOP's. 

Perhaps this is a function of not having an SDK available at this point. If so that's ok for now but it's no different to before unfortunately. 

The FO can push and Pull any FCU knob.

See "A3XX Commands.pdf" for built-in commands.

For instance, could use

Push speed knob

Pull speed knob

"Managed speed" should also get him to push the knob.

To be able to give yourself the latitude to say "Pull speed" only, without the required "knob" word at the end, use the "aliasing capability" of Voxscript and make your natural speech command act as if you spoke one of the built-in ones. See my post above.

As for FCU dialing, it should work. It's been tested with FSL V214 & V215 releases for P3D V4.

I assume you set "Prepar3D.exe" to run as administrator and that you have excluded it from Anti-Virus monitoring. 

Some AV like Bitdefender, will prevent some software operations taking place. 

I assume you have "mcfslA3X.dll" version 1.0.3.8 inside \Prepar3D v4\MCE dlls\ folder. If not, apply the patch

Any registered user who has issues with FCU dialing, please apply the patch and eventually chime in.

That's not like the "flat type" switches under P3D for which we have no solution right now.

 

 

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Hi Gerald,

I've sent Ben and video link (OneDrive .wmv file) It is less than 100MB and runs for around 12 minutes. It will show you precisely what I'm doing to help with troubleshooting. 

To be clear, I am most interested in getting the Heading, Speed and altitude callouts not only accurately read back by MCE (which is good most of the time) but also entered correctly in the FCU (which is NOT happening) 

I've checked the items that you've asked about:

I've downloaded the latest that you sent me and swapped it for the other 160MB file of the precise same name. Although I cannot see where I can verify which version this file is.

I'm only running Windows defender AV software and I have it de selected for both P3D.exe and MCE.exe (although I don't believe your software needs this?)

I'm opening P3D as an administrator as you will see in a video if I can send it to you and I am still have significant trouble getting the FCU entries correctly selected. 

Again, I really appreciate your help. Aidan

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, aidanlegras said:

Hi Gerald,

I've sent Ben and video link (OneDrive .wmv file) It is less than 100MB and runs for around 12 minutes. It will show you precisely what I'm doing to help with troubleshooting. 

To be clear, I am most interested in getting the Heading, Speed and altitude callouts not only accurately read back by MCE (which is good most of the time) but also entered correctly in the FCU (which is NOT happening) 

I've checked the items that you've asked about:

I've downloaded the latest that you sent me and swapped it for the other 160MB file of the precise same name. Although I cannot see where I can verify which version this file is.

I'm only running Windows defender AV software and I have it de selected for both P3D.exe and MCE.exe (although I don't believe your software needs this?)

I'm opening P3D as an administrator as you will see in a video if I can send it to you and I am still have significant trouble getting the FCU entries correctly selected. 

Again, I really appreciate your help. Aidan

 

 

 

Thanks for the very informative video.

The "mcFslA3X.dll" dll is actually not even a fifth of a Megabyte. It's about 160 Kilobytes. But I get it, no big deal here.

To check a file version, you right-click the file and select "Properties". Then go to "Details" tab to see the version number.

FSL A320 along with all PMDG aircraft are the type of aircraft you don't want to start MCE first with.

Start the sim, load aircraft, wait until it has fully initialized and only then start MCE.

I noticed when you started P3D as admin, Windows didn't prompt for elevation. This would assume you have disabled Windows UAC.

Be aware,unlike the Windows XP days where you could gain total control on your machine, these days, when disabling UAC, you could end-up with more restrictions all while getting the illusion "it is fully disabled". Especially when using the registry hack that people boast about on the internet.

Here is one suggestion.

Un-install MCE via Windows Control Panel.

Set the Windows UAC slider to default 2 notches up the slider and restart your machine.

Install MCE to default C:\Program Files (x86)\... folder.

Go to \Prepar3D v4\ installation folder, right-click "Prepar3D.exe", select "Properties".

In "Properties" window, go to <Compatibility> tab and enable option "Run this Program as administrator".

Start P3D. Are you getting the Windows UAC prompt as expected?

Wait until aircraft has completed initialization, then start MCE. Again, are you getting the Windoiws UAC prompt to elevate as expected?

Only then, can you assume both P3D and MCE are running as admin. Windows security essentials is fine. No need to disable it

Should be able to detect FCU state.

Other things I can comment on the video. As you noticed, when airborne, there are lots of requests for confirmation. Even turning OFF AP or FD will require confirmation first. By default, keeping silent means "No, thanks, that was accidental speech recognition"

I suggest you install the very latest MCE package V2.7.4.0 uploaded today. 

Confirm all is OK under that scenario (both UAC prompts on "Prepar3D.exe and "mce.exe" and MCE installed to default path). By the way, "mce.exe" is compiled to always run as admin, even when the option in file properties isn't ticked.

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Hi Gerald,

As always thanks for being so patient with me,as I am used to the Apple ecosystem (and I'm no guru there for that matter!) I appreciate you taking me back to Windows basics. I cannot fault your customer support, and I appreciate it.

Having said that, I've followed your instructions and:

1. Uninstalled MCE via the control panel.

2. I've set my UAC slider to two notches up (2nd from the top) then I restarted the PC.

3. I reinstalled the latest MCE from your website V 2.7.4.0. (to the default folder)

4. I removed the Windows Defender exclusions for both P3D and MCE

5. I opened P3D (receiving a UAC notification) and loaded the F22 at YMLT runway 32L then once this was set; 

6. I Changed the vehicle to FS Labs A320 and waited for the 1 minute initialisation indication at the top to clear.

6. I then opened MCE and waited for the FCU ready for use (in red at the top left of the screen) 

Out of about a dozen attempts to get "set runway heading one thirty three" or "set runway track one, three, three" for example (among other attempts) I kept on getting spurious headings that bare no semblance to a HDG/TRK of 133. On most occasions I am getting the correct readback from MCE or when I am aligned with the runway it's stating that it's already set. Except for once, when it did go to a track of 132 degrees (possibly by coincidence) 

Speed selections are also still being read-back correctly but not accurately set, in most cases it's setting speed of 100 knots (this is the lowest selectable speed on the Bus)

When asking for "Bird On" or "Bird off" I am having this correctly read back also but the action does not occur.

In short, I'm still having problems with the SPD, HDG/TRK and the BIRD on/off requests.

Any more suggestions? perhaps it's sit back and wait for thee SDK time?

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, aidanlegras said:

Hi Gerald,

As always thanks for being so patient with me,as I am used to the Apple ecosystem (and I'm no guru there for that matter!) I appreciate you taking me back to Windows basics. I cannot fault your customer support, and I appreciate it.

Having said that, I've followed your instructions and:

1. Uninstalled MCE via the control panel.

2. I've set my UAC slider to two notches up (2nd from the top) then I restarted the PC.

3. I reinstalled the latest MCE from your website V 2.7.4.0. (to the default folder)

4. I removed the Windows Defender exclusions for both P3D and MCE

5. I opened P3D (receiving a UAC notification) and loaded the F22 at YMLT runway 32L then once this was set; 

6. I Changed the vehicle to FS Labs A320 and waited for the 1 minute initialisation indication at the top to clear.

6. I then opened MCE and waited for the FCU ready for use (in red at the top left of the screen) 

Out of about a dozen attempts to get "set runway heading one thirty three" or "set runway track one, three, three" for example (among other attempts) I kept on getting spurious headings that bare no semblance to a HDG/TRK of 133. On most occasions I am getting the correct readback from MCE or when I am aligned with the runway it's stating that it's already set. Except for once, when it did go to a track of 132 degrees (possibly by coincidence) 

Speed selections are also still being read-back correctly but not accurately set, in most cases it's setting speed of 100 knots (this is the lowest selectable speed on the Bus)

When asking for "Bird On" or "Bird off" I am having this correctly read back also but the action does not occur.

In short, I'm still having problems with the SPD, HDG/TRK and the BIRD on/off requests.

Any more suggestions? perhaps it's sit back and wait for thee SDK time?

 

 

 

Thanks.

I forgot to mention, the current implementation is Virtual Cockpit operation only.

I've seen you switching to 2D in your vid.

For speed detection, suggest the following.

Takeoff and remain in VC until you see "looking for SPD" followed by "Voice control for SPD available" or something like that.

To prevent a performance drop, the scan for SPD only starts above a specific altitude, and shouldn't take more than a minute or so.

At least make sure that is happening.

For Vspeeds callouts you can either set them in MCE UI, <Monitor> tab or tell your FO what they are.

You: Our V one speed is XXX

FO: confirm V one XXX?

You: Yes

Do the same for VR and V2.

What exact Windows version are you running?

Is it in English native language or a localized one?

 

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Hi,

I can confirm that speed detection/manipulation is not happening in any flight situation; being it after

t/o, cruise, approach. Of course F/O is answering with the requested speed but doesn't do anything;

pushing/pulling the various FCU knobs works well; turning them only with altitude and heading.,

requesting the various ECAM pages works also well now.

Peter

 

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Hi Gerald,

I'm staying in VC now and I'm following your instructions and waiting till established in the climb out. I may or may not have had the FCU ready for speed selection notice (perhaps to quick to see) but in any case I cannot accurately select:

HDG/TRK, Speed (although it might work perhaps one in six times), and "Bird on" (sometimes this does work but not reliably)

I have Windows 10 on operating on a new 7700K@4.2GHz, GTX1070. I bought the PC here is Australia and it's speech recognition is using US English as per your installation instructions.

I'm running out of options here.

 

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7 hours ago, aidanlegras said:

Hi Gerald,

I'm staying in VC now and I'm following your instructions and waiting till established in the climb out. I may or may not have had the FCU ready for speed selection notice (perhaps to quick to see) but in any case I cannot accurately select:

HDG/TRK, Speed (although it might work perhaps one in six times), and "Bird on" (sometimes this does work but not reliably)

I have Windows 10 on operating on a new 7700K@4.2GHz, GTX1070. I bought the PC here is Australia and it's speech recognition is using US English as per your installation instructions.

I'm running out of options here.

 

OK, thanks.

The problem with "birdie on" selection not happening is because he only presses the button when he deems it in HDG/VS mode. It's not the switch itself that he can  control reliably. He can only work out the HDG-VS v TRK-FPA status, provided he gets the HDG right.. Apparently he's detecting a HDG value that isn't the one in FCU.

Will do a departure from down under. You never know.

Meanwhile, would appreciate you do a quick test from a northern hemisphere airport, say EGLL or KJFK. See if it gets the correct HDG

This FSL bus is so complex that the HDG doesn't actually exist until IRSs have finished alignment.

Since Peter is also having the issue with SPD, maybe something needs a closer look there, especially with V215.

 

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Hi Gerald,

Due to time constraints I have only tried KSFO this afternoon without success. Maybe continental Europe would be better but it seems unlikely at this stage. 

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1 hour ago, aidanlegras said:

Hi Gerald,

Due to time constraints I have only tried KSFO this afternoon without success. Maybe continental Europe would be better but it seems unlikely at this stage. 

Have done a test from Adelaide Oz and have seen no difference. HDG was detected every time.

Could you list the various add-on dlls loading into P3D V4.1

If you can't, just list non-aircraft and  non-scenery related add-ons.

I can confirm SPD control is broken. It used to work, and there was a particular action that was important to fetch the speed which is for FO to pull the SPD knob before the scan is started. That action was removed. It needs to be restored.

Will have new dlls in a couple of days to sort out the SPD control.

The other thing that may play a part regarding HDG, is the fact I only installed the VC part of the aircraft.

What installation option did you choose? I will re-install with that.

 

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Hi Gerald,

Glad you've identified part of the SPD problem yourself. I have FSUIPC for rudder pedals, joystick and CH thrust levers. 

I also have ORBX Australia, ORBX NZSI, ORBX NZQN and ORBX YMLT. That's it.

There is no other software of any note on my PC. 

8 hours ago, FS++ said:

The other thing that may play a part regarding HDG, is the fact I only installed the VC part of the aircraft.

What installation option did you choose? I will re-install with that.

I'm not sure what you're referring to as far as installation options, there was not much choice that I can remember given that I have Windows 10. 

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