5 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

But he's set/setting a new standard for part time work and it's enormously dissatisfying - and it's extremely rare for me to criticize any developer (especially given that I'm often on the back end).

- at least before the My Traffic guys get busy and swoop in.

It's not only the pace, it's the lack of communication which annoys me most. He left UT2 without any response for years and left it to the poor F1 guys to deal with issues. Then he started UTL, but forgot to communicate again. I fully understand, RL may get in the way - which was obviously the case - but you always should find time to drop a note on the forum on this fact. Even more as this is Early Access - or whatever they call it - and people pre-paid for development.

While I wouldn't count on MT this one

https://www.justflight.com/product/traffic-global

may enter the game as well.

On UTL itself, I agree. I don't care for liveries that much (I fly mostly GA anyway) but have UTL running from day 1 and without CTDs or other annoyances and with little performance impact.

Kind regards, Michael

16 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

I'm not seeing any performance hit at all, but I'll agree with others that the limited aircraft/liveries is discouraging and they've had forever to update it.  If the author isn't available, then it's time to bring someone else in - at least to create liveries.

There are a lot of people flying MD-80's on VATSIM and we're about to see a lot more people doing so when the Leonardo Maddog is released, but no aircraft or livery for this aircraft in UTL.  Terrible!

 

Why don't your mates over at aerosoft make one.  The schedule data from oag and sabre is easily accessible 

http://www.oag-flights.com/en/(lvzbcl45vxnn2ruhll0wxob5)/login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fen%2fapp%2fflight_request.aspx

I uninstalled again, as it was messing up my airport terrain elevations and disabling it via .xml didn't fix the problem (though a complete uninstall did).

anyone know how to stop UTL changing my airports? If so, I'll give it a third try (back to mt6 or psxseecon or traffic via voxatc at the moment).  

26 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

I uninstalled again, as it was messing up my airport terrain elevations and disabling it via .xml didn't fix the problem (though a complete uninstall did).

anyone know how to stop UTL changing my airports? If so, I'll give it a third try (back to mt6 or psxseecon or traffic via voxatc at the moment).  

 UTL doesn't edit or add a single thing to any airports in your sim, there are no BGL's or scenery files included  with it.

5 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 UTL doesn't edit or add a single thing to any airports in your sim, there are no BGL's or scenery files included  with it.

Are you sure? I spent a bit of time googling this, and saw one or two comments that inferred ut2 might have some effect on airports, but nothing definitive. UTL is of course a new program, and theres not a lot of information around about it yet.

Problem occurred with one airport, started with UTL install and I couldn't fix it with about three hours of troubleshooting, including airport recompiles and elevation changes in ade. Problem was that runway and taxiways were elevated above the terrain. Disabling UTL in the xml config didn't help, but after a complete unistall my airport was back to normal.

could still be random chance, but the timing was highly suggestive. Maybe I'll reinstall and see if the problem recurs. 

 

 UT2 is the same. 100% sure that both programs don't add to or edit any airports in your sim. 

1 hour ago, Dave_YVR said:

100% sure that both programs don't add to or edit any airports in your sim. 

Not suggesting that it edits or adds new airports necessarily. It just seemed to interfere with a specific airport I've built. There's a number of ways it could do that.  For example, if it stopped the ALT file from loading properly, it could explain what I was seeing.

as mentioned, I'm not stating that it's definitely at fault, I'd need to reinstall to prove that. But I can't find enough documentation about how UTL functions to be definitive that it couldn't cause problems. It's a new program in beta, and its caused a few headaches for some users (including me - my first try required a Sim reinstall to get p3d working again), so we'll see what happens on my third try.

1 hour ago, OzWhitey said:

Not suggesting that it edits or adds new airports necessarily. It just seemed to interfere with a specific airport I've built. There's a number of ways it could do that.  For example, if it stopped the ALT file from loading properly, it could explain what I was seeing.

as mentioned, I'm not stating that it's definitely at fault, I'd need to reinstall to prove that. But I can't find enough documentation about how UTL functions to be definitive that it couldn't cause problems. It's a new program in beta, and its caused a few headaches for some users (including me - my first try required a Sim reinstall to get p3d working again), so we'll see what happens on my third try.

 I can't see how it could interfere with scenery, not to mention that it doesn't do that to other users systems. The issues it has caused with the vast majority of users has also been from faulty installs or user errors and not from actual faults with the program. It's by no means perfect, but installed and setup correctly it does work and shouldn't require anything special to get it working correctly like it does for most.

11 minutes ago, Dave_YVR said:

The issues it has caused with the vast majority of users has also been from faulty installs or user errors and not from actual faults with the program

How could you possibly know that the problems are caused by 'faulty installs and user errors' in the 'vast majority' of cases?? If that's all it is, why have there been so many reporting problems - such as crashes - on the Flight 1 forums?

in my case, I installed the original beta on the day of release, and the sim became so unstable that I had to perform a complete reinstall of P3D. If I was the only one, I wouldn't blame UTL, but there has been no shortage of crash reports over the past six months.

Flight 1 forums are locked down, so non-owners can't see the feedback from current users. TBH, I wouldn't describe the tone over there as 'universal acclaim'. 

 

11 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

How could you possibly know that the problems are caused by 'faulty installs and user errors' in the 'vast majority' of cases?? If that's all it is, why have there been so many reporting problems - such as crashes - on the Flight 1 forums?

in my case, I installed the original beta on the day of release, and the sim became so unstable that I had to perform a complete reinstall of P3D. If I was the only one, I wouldn't blame UTL, but there has been no shortage of crash reports over the past six months.

Flight 1 forums are locked down, so non-owners can't see the feedback from current users. TBH, I wouldn't describe the tone over there as 'universal acclaim'. 

 

 I've been following the UTL forums at F1 from day 1. Sure there has been issues for some, but who actually goes to support forums to post when a product is working? From what I've seen most, but not all of those problems in terms of installation or getting the program to work get sorted through users having to install Simconnect or exclude (even often remove from quarantine, no fault of UTL though) the program from their A/V or Firewall etc.

 I too installed the early beta on day 1 and it worked just fine. I have also since completely uninstalled and reinstalled it numerous times over each release in an effort the to try and replicate various issues that some have had in an attempt to help, and well it still just works. UTL also isn't very intrusive in terms of adding files or anything into the sim, I'm quite certain that a complete reinstall of P3d wasn't actually required to get your sim working again. I'm sorry but it just doesn't work like that. If anything just removing the add-on.xml file from the Prepar3D v4 Add-ons\utLive folder would prevent UTL from running with the sim. Without the UTL_Client running there is ZERO interaction from UTL in the sim.