Well Joe...you took pains to not name payware developers but the question about the differences between an SR20 G2 and an SR22 G2 would seem to point to us so we'll attempt to answer.Though it may not be the answer you wish to hear we'll do our best.1. The differences between the two aircraft are readily available from the Cirrus Design site and a "google" search will reveal a wealth of information about both aircraft and is available for you to research as well.2. A visit to the Avidyne site will yield a number of PDF files which should clarify a number of differences in the Avidyne gauges for each aircraft.3. From a development point of view, both aircraft require seperate models, textures, airfiles, gauges, etc. All of which stack up to "development time and work" expended by some very skilled individuals who deserve to reap the rewards of their labor.This statement in your post sort of caught my eye for some reason..."That section of this hobby has not been attacked by the ravaging dogs of commerce like the aircraft side has."The statement reveals a bit more about your thought processes than we really want to know...But anyway, back to the Cirrus. We make marketing decisions based on what is good for the individuals who actually do the "blood, sweat, and tears work to create something that has actual value.If YOU see no value in what we produce, we suggest that you "take a pass" on any project we release.At the end of the day we offer addons for sale...it is ENTIRELY YOUR CHOICE whether YOU accept such an offer of sale.If you "take a pass" we will still eat, laugh, and enjoy life, and the sun will still rise in the morning:-)

>Some go around comparing the cost of a dinner with your family>to the current popular add-on.... BAD ANALOGY, IMHO, and>Laughable. :-lol :-lol>>FOR PETE'S SAKE, TAKE YOUR FAMILY TO DINNER IF GIVEN THE>CHOICE..... And forget the add-on. I know my Family is much>more important to me than this hobby.>As I remember, you flew, or still fly real aircraft.........as I do.Maybe "we" should just bag it all, and I'll take my wife to dinner (only family left at home). It's probably safer too!Since I'm well aware that you've never been a fan of payware, then it's quite easy to see why you promote these ideas.However.................I'm quite a fan of some outstanding payware due to the fact, it makes simulated flight more interesting as well as more realistic. The majority of payware that I use, just has a special edge to it, that is seldom created by freeware designers. The reason is, as follows--------------Designing well done aircraft/scenery these days is extremely time consuming, and usually requires a group of individuals spending hundreds, if not thousands of hours to research, design, program, market, and then provide customer support for these airplanes, scenery, etc. In most cases, the product is divided up to individuals who specialize in certain areas.This is no different than working for Microsoft, the movie industry, or perhaps even aircraft production. It's a time consuming process that can take away from family and other activities. In short, its a job that should provide a paycheck. It's a job like any other job that provides a source for both entertainment and real life practice.But most of all, it's also meaningfull employment for those designers and programmers who always taking this art to a new level. How "you" can complain about that, is beyond me...L.Adamson Proud member of AOPA since(I don't remember)

Hi guys!I'll try to take care that this thread doesn't move into the "need to be deleted" category, so my reactions will be kind of limited when it comes to details (grin)!I'm not sure whether I am richer than most flightsimmers, at least not richer than those who like me have a job, a mortgage to pay, and two teenage daughters who go through shoes and clothing like crap through a goose! It's probably a matter of where one lives: 50 euros (around 65 US bucks) is a sum that in The Netherlands would by most people like me not be considered to be an unreasonable amount to spend on any hobby once or twice a month. Geez, I spend a weekly sum of about 40 euros on cigars alone! As for being "hard up for a girl"... well... I have a simple philosophy: I don't bed amateurs anymore. In my younger years I've gone through half the female population of Amsterdam, not to mention (mostly American) tourist girls. I lived on an old barge in one of the Amsterdam canals then, and when I was sitting on the deck in the sun almost no attractive tourist girl declined an invitation to "come see what a Dutch barge looks like from the inside". They always left at least an hour later, a satisfied smile on their faces.Although it was great fun, those were the days when I learned to prefer a highly trained professional over the good-willing but clumsy amateur. I won't board an airliner unless the pilot is a well-trained professional, and I won't board a bed unless its occupant is a highly trained professional. I simply don't fly with amateurs, neither on the wings of a 737, nor on the clouds of extasy.Lately, on account of declining health, I don't travel much anymore. But the few times I find myself sitting at a hotel bar next to a gorgeous woman who shows interest in getting to know each other somewhat better, I politely decline the invitation if she turns out to be a guest instead of the inhouse hooker. It simply isn't worth my trouble, I'd rather go to bed alone and watch television or read a book before falling asleep.The great advantage of flightsimming is that you can turn it off after the session and it won't bother you anymore. I like my social interactions being somewhat similar, but I was never much good at telling a nice but very amateurish lady to stop bothering me anymore. Many's the time that I finished up having such a lady in tow for days, spending hundreds of dollars on restaurants, theaters, cinemas, flowers, chocolate, excursions and whatever. No sir, thank you very much: I prefer the straightforward, honest 50 euro poke! And then: back to my little home-made cockpit for a bit of flightsimming!Well now, I hope I wasn't to explicit, it would be a shame for this thread to disappear (wide and wicked grin)!Be well!Jaap Verduijn.

And look at the price of a hooker these days, although I've heard that there are addon packages that one should ensure a good supply of antibiotics before installing.Art Martin

Looks as though you never experienced the joy of a good high quality add-on.Making a good high quality add-on. Costs money. It mostly involves getting an appointment to shoot lots and lots of photographs of the real aircraft and its cockpit. Study of all the instruments and hours of designing, programming and testing. The resulting product will be sold to a very small fraction of the market that has bought FS 2004.So it actually makes sense that an add-on costs more than the entire sim. Guess what? Most of the time the guy that makes the add-on earns less than his counterpart on the MS development team. (and our MS guy has the company benefits ensurance and the beter job prospects)Sure some add-ons are ripp offs. But looking at top quality like Misty Fjords, the Flight1 ATR 72, the PMDG 737 and anything from RealAir you can safely say that you're missing out if you havent at last experienced them once. But be warned these add-ons will spoil you for life so you will never be happy with the plain vanilla FS2004.In the end it all depends on how much you value your entertainment.

>Lately, on account of declining health, I don't travel much>anymore.STD's perhaps? :)All kidding aside, thanks for the laugh, I needed it!See ya!

Wide grin! No, without one single exception (which was taken care of by a simple shot in the butt) I always came out as healthy as I went in. Jaap.Edited in order to add some detail (grin)!

Well, I forgot to edit one thing. "Without" should of course be "with"!Jaap.

LOLVic

Are you for real.......? :(Erm Ok the guys with white coats should be on the way.... ASAPJason

Wow Joe you even made a chart... I thought that you had issues with certain companies, when in fact it seems you have issues with just about every quality payware devo. Like i said in a different thread, most of us are all big boys, capable of making big boy decisions about where we spend our money. Thanks for the read, you brightened up my day!Tony G

Jeroen,I am not imposing anything, I gave my opinion, and my expectations, I have not said I expect others to do this or that. Joe

Hi Mike,I don't want anything form anyone. Mostly these ar emy observations of whre the hobby is going, and to be honest with you, I'm not that pleased with it, so I listed my expectations of price, and what I am willing and not willing to pay for.Yes, it is market driven, and yes, it is always freedom of choice.Joe

Hi Jordan,You say the cost of development is higher. How do you know that?Can you show me one single developer that has disclosed actual costs of development (major add-on)?I see a high priced, IMHO, add-ons using bitmaps in 2D panels from FS2000. How is that for development?I like your opinion of how you buy, and wish others would heed it also, but your thinking that others do the same cannot really be proven unless sales were released from actual developers.We used to hear whining that dev's don't make a lot of money. I actually disagree with that analogy. I think there are more than a few making quite a bit. And I'm ok with that, but it's the hypocrisy they cry when whining about development costs, little profits, etc....I just don't buy it. And until someone proves otherwise, theirs is just conjecture, and I'll keep calling them on it, as every time they whine about costs, I have an equal right to call them on it, IMHO. Joe

I hope you don't mind If I don't comment on this aspect within the thread.Joe