16 hours ago, lodestar said:

I'll try to find some usefull stuff for you and i'll post that later. I'm interested in this, becouse i'm saving for a new PC, and i need to decide about components. If you have time, please post your CPU vs GPU usagge with P3Dv4 and P3D settings. Before i buy new PC, i need to buy new GPU, and after a lot of calculations and reading - 1060 or 1070/1070ti would be the best match for my CPU, so i'm interested about performance with your 1070 

with prepared 4.2 default .cfg (on all 3 configs listed below) ..I fly mostly west coast with / orbix nor and so cal / fsdream lax /flight beam sfo / latin's  ksan and some minor airports with enough ai trafiic to fill gates at all airports / active sky with 5 cloud levels /  pmdg 747 and 737 / 1920x1200 screen /   scenery all right except mesh (at 5), autogen draw and scenery complex at max with buldg. and tree numbers mid slider / lighting d.L on shadows ....i can post picts.  Anyway I went from:

haswell 4.7ghz/1070

8600k 5.0/1070

8600k 5.0 /1080ti

In general terms I saw a 50% gain in performance accross the board going from the haswell to the 8600k/1070, 100% performance with 1080ti .....under extreme gpu intensive conditions such as sunset at ksfo .

 

See the funknnasty "rog snap crack pop" thread for my recent new build experience.

5 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

One more thing: What about GPU OC'ing?

Don't do it, it's not worth it. EVGA has already pushed your GPU to the safe limit. I am a big MSI fan, but in any case, they tests GPU's extensively and depending of how high they can OC them, some of the GPU's becomes "gaming", some of them FTW Gaming or SC Gaming, etc. If you push it, it's not going to last too long. And you are not going to see important improvement in P3D like with the CPU.

5 hours ago, FunknNasty said:

See the funknnasty "rog snap crack pop" thread for my recent new build experience

Thank you, i really appreciate it. I'll check the thread later. My biggest problem is to decide which GPU to buy now, becouse i'm saving for a new PC and i wouldn't pay too much for GPU now. But i need one  I was even thinking about 1050ti now, and the best available later, for a new PC. But i'm not sure 1050ti would run the Maddog X without problems

Edited March 15, 20188 yr by lodestar

16 hours ago, lodestar said:

Don't do it, it's not worth it. EVGA has already pushed your GPU to the safe limit. I am a big MSI fan, but in any case, they tests GPU's extensively and depending of how high they can OC them, some of the GPU's becomes "gaming", some of them FTW Gaming or SC Gaming, etc. If you push it, it's not going to last too long. And you are not going to see important improvement in P3D like with the CPU.

Thank you, i really appreciate it. I'll check the thread later. My biggest problem is to decide which GPU to buy now, becouse i'm saving for a new PC and i wouldn't pay too much for GPU now. But i need one  I was even thinking about 1050ti now, and the best available later, for a new PC. But i'm not sure 1050ti would run the Maddog X without problems

Thanks for the advice lodestar... OC'ing the GPU was recommended to me by a friend of mine, but he does a ton of bitcoin mining, so he clearly has a different use for it. I'll do as you suggest and I won't touch my GPU.

In other news, I cranked up the CPU clock to 5GHz at a Vcore of 1.32. Passed a 4hr RealBench stress test with flying colors, temps never going over 76C. I can only imagine this is in part due to the Noctua DH-15S which you, Martin, advised me to get so thanks!!  I'm going to back off the OC'ing now. Time to actually do some flying! Last question: If there are still system instabilities, I suppose they are likely to crop up during an extended simming session. Besides BSOD, what symptoms might I be looking for?

Also, lodestar, RE: 1050ti. From what I understand this might not be worth the money. Probably better to wait and save for the card you actually want. What card do you have currently?

13 minutes ago, Benjamin J said:

Thanks for the advice lodestar... OC'ing the GPU was recommended to me by a friend of mine, but he does a ton of bitcoin mining, so he clearly has a different use for it. I'll do as you suggest and I won't touch my GPU.

In other news, I cranked up the CPU clock to 5GHz at a Vcore of 1.32. Passed a 4hr RealBench stress test with flying colors, temps never going over 76C. I can only imagine this is in part due to the Noctua DH-15S which you, Martin, advised me to get so thanks!!  I'm going to back off the OC'ing now. Time to actually do some flying! Last question: If there are still system instabilities, I suppose they are likely to crop up during an extended simming session. Besides BSOD, what symptoms might I be looking for?

Also, lodestar, RE: 1050ti. From what I understand this might not be worth the money. Probably better to wait and save for the card you actually want. What card do you have currently?

Keep us posted on how that 5ghz holds up in the sim. Does the Noctua give you access to all 4 ram slots?

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I upped the clock to 4.9GHz, still at Vcore 1.3, and subjected it to a 2hr Realbench stresstest, which it passed with temps not going over 76C. I reckon the average temps were probably more along the lines of 70C though. 

 

Brief spikes aren't a big deal. Mid 70's is absolutely fine.

 

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 Given how my computer is handling the current settings, I'm going for a final clock of 5GHz, and I'd really rather not go over a Vcore of 1.3, seeing as my temps are edging towards 80C. So, following your both advice, if I can hit 5GHz stably at a Vcore of 1.3, I'll start backing off on the Vcore until I hit the minimum possible, doing the 15min Realbench stress tests between each change, until I hit an issue. Then up the Vcore again by a notch or two and do the 4hr Realbench stress test. then, I guess, the proof of the pudding is in the eating: I'll install some demanding P3D addons, and take it for a spin!

 

80 in a stress test isn't a big deal. Should be lower in P3D. Is that per core, or all cores at 4.9?

 

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One more thing: What about GPU OC'ing?

 

Forget it, no point. 10 series cards have GPU Boost 3. The card will automatically overclock itself up to the target temperature. 

It's an EVGA card, so download Precison XOC. 

 

https://www.evga.com/precisionxoc/

6 minutes ago, zmak said:

Keep us posted on how that 5ghz holds up in the sim. Does the Noctua give you access to all 4 ram slots?

I'm not sure, frankly. The DH-15S is a compatibility version, so I did see that the metal grill had a cutout that might allow insertion of another stick of RAM at the location where the grill hangs over the A1 RAM slot. My MOBO's primary slots are A2 and B2, however, so I have't gotten around to trying.

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In other news, I cranked up the CPU clock to 5GHz at a Vcore of 1.32. Passed a 4hr RealBench stress test with flying colors, temps never going over 76C. I can only imagine this is in part due to the Noctua DH-15S which you, Martin, advised me to get so thanks!!  I'm going to back off the OC'ing now. 

 

I often extol the virtues of Noctua products, in particular the D15S. You have found out why. :) No need for AIO coolers that can leak and suffer failed pumps. 

 

12 minutes ago, zmak said:

Keep us posted on how that 5ghz holds up in the sim. Does the Noctua give you access to all 4 ram slots?

 

The "S" version is the high compatibility version of the D15. It's offset slightly to be further away from the uppermost PCIe slot and has one fan rather than two. An extra fan only reduces temp by 2 degrees though so not required. Something that push pull and two fans on an air cooler believers don't realise. An extra fan doesn't increase the velocity of the air through the heat sink or rad, all it does is increase static pressure slightly. 

65mm RAM Clarence in single fan mode.  

 

https://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail/nh-d15s/specification

You can also get, as I did for mine, black Chromax heat sink covers and a black 150 mm Noctua fan. Looks bloody great in black.

https://noctua.at/en/products/accessories/na-hc4-chromax-black

https://noctua.at/en/products/product-line-chromax/nf-a15-hs-pwm-chromax-black-swap

 

9 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

Thanks for the advice lodestar... OC'ing the GPU was recommended to me by a friend of mine, but he does a ton of bitcoin mining, so he clearly has a different use for it. I'll do as you suggest and I won't touch my GPU

Please don't remind me about mining now that i need a new GPU 

9 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

Last question: If there are still system instabilities, I suppose they are likely to crop up during an extended simming session. Besides BSOD, what symptoms might I be looking for?

freezes, CTD, high temps, PC restarts, sluggish PC. But BSOD's are most common and important. Here is a list of BSOD's meaning when OC http://www.overclock.net/forum/5-intel-cpus/935829-overclockers-bsod-code-list.html I didn't make too much use of it, except BSOD 124, but you newer know what can happen. If you get some BSOD during extended simming sessions, i would advice you one more time to try different GPU driver and to ensure your PC is clean of dust before you increase Vcore. It happened to me couple of times. I'm sure about this becouse after cleaning the PC or changing the driver, i didn't got another BSOD until the next bad driver. 

9 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

Also, lodestar, RE: 1050ti. From what I understand this might not be worth the money. Probably better to wait and save for the card you actually want. What card do you have currently?

Thanks, i already made up my mind - i'm going for msi 1060 6gb gaming x and 16GB RAM(i have only 8GB RAM now). I have 560ti with 2GB VRAM, but that GPU just died last week. I've built my system 6 years ago(it was great for FSX) and i'm saving to build the new one. So, i didn't want to upgrade this one now, but i have no choice after my GPU died - and it was only my fault, a moment of inattention while cleaning the PC. 

Thanks, I’ll make sure to keep an eye out for all those things! Most recently I’ve begun to install all my addons, and I did a few really quick test flights just to gauge performance. Probably most stressful so far was NYC with all of DD’s addons and the PMDG 737, and I always had a solid 30FPS, at which I locked at FPS. Also tried T night in terrible weather, max cloud coverage etc and still performance held up well. So far so good... Will keep you all posted as I do an actual flight.

BTW, regarding the GTX 1060. You might be interested in reading a thread I had opened a while ago on this topic exactly: 

Ultimately I went with a 1070 rather than the 1060. I figured that if I was anyway shelling out this kind of money, I might as well spend a little more and get the best I can afford, which was the 1070.

6 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

Ultimately I went with a 1070 rather than the 1060. I figured that if I was anyway shelling out this kind of money, I might as well spend a little more and get the best I can afford, which was the 1070

I'm aware of this, but i need a good GPU until i build new PC. And i think 1060 will do the job in the meantime. I know the best GPU for me would be 1070ti - i did some researh and calculations, and this would be the best match for my CPU. But considering the current GPU prices, i'll go for 1060. This way i can build my new PC sooner, and this is a great upgrade for my 560ti 

For the new PC, i'm going to buy the best available CPU and GPU at that time. The MSI 1060 are going to costs me arround 400 euros here in Germany, the 1070 would be arround 600, and 1070ti 40 euros more. So, i'm going for 1060 now, and 16GB RAM. Thank you for your help, really appreciated. 

If you have any questions regarding system stability / BSOD's etc, you can contact me or post here anytime