Given I wan't to make a flight from LFQB Troyes (France)to LIPZ Venice (italy) and make it as realistic as possible. I'm considering using the Aerowox B200 and F1 Baron 58. Also given is that it can be in any weather so it will be IFR).In the first case I assume I will follow airways (but I got a problem since FSBUILD won't recognise LFQB).But with the Baron which is unpressurized the airways are to high so I will fly below them. Does this mean that I can file a straight direct to flightplan as long as I don't fly into a mountain? If not why not? What would you do in real life in a real Baron?

If you want to file a realistic IFR then file it along Victor (low alitude) airways. No rule says that you have to use Jet airways. IFR planning can be very complex, but software can usually help you with the process. However, no FS9 planner that I am aware of does route you clear of restricted airspace (or undesired B,C,D airspaces), so if you really, really want to plan as realistic as possible, you need a set of sectionals, terminal charts and a flight computer/plotter to calculate everything.Hope this helps.

I know you are asking about a plan in Europe. But as far as a good planner goes, AOPA's online planner is the best I've ever used. I think it's only for north america though. It's intended for real world use so it's very complete and up to date.Jason

>If you want to file a realistic IFR then file it along Victor>(low alitude) airways. No rule says that you have to use JetWhen I tried that in FSC I was given an error message telling me that 19500 was the minimum altitude for P131.>(or undesired B,C,D airspaces), so if you really, really want>to plan as realistic as possible, you need a set of>sectionals, terminal charts and a flight computer/plotter to>calculate everything.>Why should B,C,D airspace be undisered?

Try this site for free route generation. It is quite good about flying "by the book", although it isn't perfect (should be close enough for simming though)http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/

You should stay clear of more crowded airspace, if you don't really have to cross. There is no rule that you can't use the airpspace, but most pilots will avoid those airspaces and either stay below of above the airspace ceilings/floors for safety reasons. Especially a class B airspace can be crazy crowded. ;-)

>I know you are asking about a plan in Europe. But as far as>a good planner goes, AOPA's online planner is the best I've>ever used. I think it's only for north america though. It's>intended for real world use so it's very complete and up to>date.>I also fly a lot in North America. Is it also for IFR? Biggest thing to consider. I see it cost money.

Yes it's for both VFR (direct route) and IFR (airways). And as I mentioned since it's for realworld use its database is always up to date including things like temp. restriction zones.It's free for AOPA members, but you are right the membership isn't free or charge. It's well worth it though. You might win a better than brand new cherokee 6 this year if you join. :)Jason

Not really trying to second guess your plans, but I see two choices: Dijon - Geneva - Torino, which takes you over the top of the Alps, but is reasonably direct, but really begs good weather and/or oxygen (mountain waves are not modelled in FS, but I personally wouldn't want to be anywhere near flying IFR in IMC in a small aircraft). Preferable IMHO but longer would be to follow the Rhone Valley South and then the coast as far as Albenga, from where you can cut inland without the risk of too high ground. Airways A2, A6, A3, R16 will get you as far as Monaco, and can be joined as low as FL55 (they're in Class E airspace below FL115, so you could just as easily fly them VFR). Normal semi-circular rule applies.I don't have an IR, so I Don't know what routings you could realistically expect IFR. But as far as the French Alps go, the victor airways go around rather than over.The French are very relaxed about zone transits, and you wouldn't have any trouble getting through class D or C (I don't think there is any :(. Just don't bust the ZITs, unless you want to see fighter jets!Similarly, you'd get VFR transits without too much trouble. There is a mandatory VFR route around the Riviera -- just off the coast and not above 1000ft! It's seriously interesting, and not just because of the nudist beaches ;-) Quite often, the cliffs are above you!

>Yes it's for both VFR (direct route) and IFR (airways). AndDoes this mean that making a IFR flightplan that don't follow airways is unreal flightplanning.>It's free for AOPA members, but you are right the membership>isn't free or charge. It's well worth it though. You might>win a better than brand new cherokee 6 this year if you join.>I wonder how I'm supposed to collect such a price? I live in Europe and I can't fly real planes.

>Not really trying to second guess your plans, but I see two>choices: Dijon - Geneva - Torino, which takes you over the top>of the Alps, but is reasonably direct, but really begs goodWhy not perfectly direct.>weather and/or oxygen (mountain waves are not modelled in FS,I will assume that no oxygen mask are available. >I don't have an IR, so I Don't know what routings you could>realistically expect IFR. But as far as the French Alps go,>the victor airways go around rather than over.>Why around them if you are clearly above them?

Crowded is not likely to be a problem in France (except for Paris [class A] and maybe Cannes). Most likely yours will be the only plane on the ramp!

Craig,Thanks for the great link! Can their plans be converted to FS9 Planner and FSNav or entered therein manually?Thanks for the helpJackD

>Does this mean that making a IFR flightplan that don't follow>airways is unreal flightplanning.>I think VOR to VOR is also IFR.>I wonder how I'm supposed to collect such a price? I live in>Europe and I can't fly real planes.Very easy. I'll sell it for you. :)

Another wonderful flightplanner that one can download for free is the one by Golden Eagle. It may only be for the US but it offers several advantages over the AOPA one (which I also have, as a member) including a vertical terrain profile. Search the web. I always first plot my flights through airspaces, around TFRs (which are updated when you load), and over terrain using this planner before entering things in FSNavigator and them saving for FS and ASV etc.