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ProATC/X flight plans compatible for aircraft?

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Hi everyone

I'm thinking of using ProATC, but I'm getting used to other aircraft I've bought, such as the new Aerosoft Airbus Professional package. Can someone explain how to create flight paths that are compatible for both? I noticed ProATC is not listed in Simbrief, but Simbrief can do my plan for the Airbus. 

Gaz

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Gaz,

No worries with ProATCX flight planning...I usually copy the flight plan directly from either SimBrief (or Flightaware) into ProATCX during my flight planning...the ProATCX software will export flight plans to several popular 3rd party add-ons, including the AS Airbus.

Rob

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Thanks Rob. How do you do that copy to get it into PROATC? It sounds like it's something that would take a while? Can't you get PROATC to do the flight plan automatically for you, then export to As Airbus? 

Thanks, Gaz

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5 minutes ago, Gary McCluskey said:

Thanks Rob. How do you do that copy to get it into PROATC? It sounds like it's something that would take a while? Can't you get PROATC to do the flight plan automatically for you, then export to As Airbus? 

Thanks, Gaz

Use Simbrief to make your flight plan. You can then copy and paste the FP into PATC, after you remove any Sids or Stars that Simbrief put in the plans before inserting into PATC. Simbrief downloader can also install the FP directly into the Aerosoft Airbus as well as many other aircraft . 

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Thanks for that. When I do my 'trading' route, I do the following from EGNT - EGKK :

GIRL1T GIRLI UP18 POL MCT LISTO UL612 HON UN859 KIDLI ASTR2B

How do I tell what to remove if I want to remove the SIDs & STARs? 

Gaz

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Use the edit function in ProATCX route planner.

Remove it's route and paste in yours without the SID (GIRL1T) and STAR (ASTR2B).

eg EGNT DCT GIRLI UP18 POL MCT LISTO UL612 HON UN859 KIDLI EGKK.

ProATCX will then assign SID and STAR depending on runways in use.

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17 minutes ago, srcraig said:

Remove it's route and paste in yours without the SID (GIRL1T) and STAR (ASTR2B).

Thanks, but in the plan I pasted in there, how did you know what was part of the SID? the breakdown for the beginning of the flight in Simbrief is as follows

  • NEWCASTLE   N5502.3      ...  23   065         P025     
    EGNT       W00141.4 0000 ...       318  317               ....  ....
    
    GIRL1T                       095   181  .45 201/037   03   6.1   0.3
    NTE05       N5504.8 0001 ...  26   180         P025  P07
    NTE05      W00131.9 0001 ...   6   312  317          327  ....  ....
    
    GIRL1T                       145   212  .59 203/046  M05   6.0   0.4
    NTS12       N5458.5 0001 ...  31   210         M043  P09
    NTS12      W00131.9 0002 ...   6   306  338          327  ....  ....
    
    LONDON FIR/UIR                                                      
    -EGTT       N5500.0 0000 ...
               W00130.5 0002 ...   0   306
    
    GIRL1T                       225   192  .70 209/058  M22   5.7   0.7
    GIRLI       N5442.7 0004 ...  33   190         M058  P08
    GIRLI      W00148.2 0006 ...  18   288  378          327  ....  ....
    
    UP18                         252   192  .74 209/062  M29   5.5   0.9
    TILNI       N5432.9 0002 ...  39   190         M059  P06
    TILNI      W00151.3 0008 ...  10   278  396          327  ....  ....
    

 

The only thing that splits GIRL1T from the rest was an entry saying LONDON FIR/UIR and - EGTT. 

In other words, this is from Simbrief, and how do I know what to remove in order to ensure the SID & STAR is removed - it's it just the first entry after the departure airport, or could there be more than one? 

Thanks, Gaz

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Sorry I use PFPX not Simbrief.

I store the PFPX route in P3D V4 which I import into my plane. In ProATCX I make a route then edit if not the same as PFPX. If not identical I edit the route and copy and paste in my PFPX route so they are the same removing the SID and Star as above ie all waypoints up to the end of the SID (GIRLI) and just put DCT (eg EGNT DCT GIRLI) instead. 

EGTT is not an airport therefore is not used in route planning.

ProATCX will then assign the SID before departure based on GIRLI and a STAR on descent based on KIDLI.

Hope that helps. 

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1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Use Simbrief to make your flight plan. You can then copy and paste the FP into PATC, after you remove any Sids or Stars that Simbrief put in the plans before inserting into PATC.

Hello Bob,

Is there any way, that you are aware of, to quickly identify if a particular route generated by Simbrief, contains any SIDs or STARs? I do realize I could visit various flight planning websites and check if a particular step in the flight plan is a SID/STAR, but just wondering if there might be a quicker way? Maybe a setting in Simbrief, or a setting in ProATC/X?

thx,

mike

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8 minutes ago, orbmis said:

Hello Bob,

Is there any way, that you are aware of, to quickly identify is a particular route generated by Simbrief, contains and SIDs or STARs? I do realize I could visit flight planning sites and check if a particular step in the flight plan is a SID/STAR, but just wondering if there might be a quicker way? Maybe a setting in Simbrief, or a setting in ProATC/X?

thx,

mike

The sid or star usually has 6 identifiers versus only 5  or less for a waypoint. Here are a sid and star IDEK5B SID
RILA1A STAR. The sid is he first item in the flight plan, and the star is the last item. 

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3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

The sid or star usually has 6 identifiers versus only 5  or less for a waypoint

Brilliant, that answers my question! I'll give it a go. 

Gaz

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3 hours ago, Gary McCluskey said:

Thanks for that. When I do my 'trading' route, I do the following from EGNT - EGKK :

GIRL1T GIRLI UP18 POL MCT LISTO UL612 HON UN859 KIDLI ASTR2B

How do I tell what to remove if I want to remove the SIDs & STARs? 

Gaz

Hi gaz 

Which airac are you using. Depends how realistic do you want to be? 

Reason I mention it is you wouldn't normally use the astra arrival.

Cheers 

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14 minutes ago, tooting said:

Which airac are you using

I am signed up to Navigraph, and told Simbrief that - Simbrief then created the flight plan.  It was Simbrief that told me to use Astra, although the ATC had already taken me off the planned route and was guiding me to the airport.

Gaz

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2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

The sid or star usually has 6 identifiers versus only 5  or less for a waypoint. Here are a sid and star IDEK5B SID
RILA1A STAR.

Hi Bob,,

Thanks for the unique tip! That may be the key to really facilitating the process of importing plans into ProATC/X from Simbrief.

Thanks for your help,

Mike

 

 

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I'd go for this 

 DCT NATEB DCT  TELBA L151 KIDLI  WILLO3B

Your city pair Newcastle to Gatwick isn't the best for a standard routing. 

 

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2 minutes ago, tooting said:

N0319F170 NATEB P18 POL/N0349F230 P18 TELBA L151 PEPUL/N0336F210 L151 TUBSU/N0313F170 L151 NEDEX/N0303F150 L151 KIDLI  WILLO3B

that looks complicated - I'm sure I've never seen SimBrief give me that sort of thing, but it's probably more appropriate - coming from a trainee!

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Try this. Its a standard routing 

 

DCT NATEB DCT TELBA L151 KIDLI WILLO3B

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Try exporting the simbrief flight plan to a squawkbox file, you can import it straight into proatc. Use the simbrief downloader to create all the files you need, one for the bus, one for proatc and optionaly one for the sim

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EGNT to EGKK is a strange route

BA Virtual comes up with 0 routes and after looking it up on flightAware again 0 flights.

So routes will be odd Pete routes will be your best bet.

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31 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

EGNT to EGKK is a strange route

Might be true now. When I lived up near EGNT we got down to EGKK on a very old airline (I forget it's name), then BA started doing it I think.  Now I think it's only done by easyJet (well, I know they did do it - within a couple of years I did the flight and there was only about 10 passengers!).

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