Just be aware that If you buy an  AMD video card the AMD Crimson Softwares used to control the card (this is the equivalent to Nvidia Control Panel) is incompatible with P3D under certain circumstances as it will cause video artifacts.

These happens mostly with defects regarding the particle redraw, making things over the distance to appear deformed or delayed.

The problem happens because the AMD software wants to control the FPS and performance of the video card and it conflicts with PD3V4 target frames.

There is a way around, remove the Crimson software and drivers and let Windows 10 to download the Microsoft drivers instead.

The advice above is based on experience after 7 support tickets handled this year regarding effects particles defects experienced.

Regards,

Simbol 

Thank you for your inputs!

As djbully suggested, I decided to go with faster RAM - 1x16GB 3000MHz CL15. The 3000MHz should be the fastest Ryzen 5 2nd gen can handle, according to the spec. Or am I missing anything?

47 minutes ago, simbol said:

Just be aware that If you buy an  AMD video card the AMD Crimson Softwares used to control the card (this is the equivalent to Nvidia Control Panel) is incompatible with P3D under certain circumstances as it will cause video artifacts.

Thanks!!! I will definitely check that. TBH I am sitting on a fence whether Rx580 or 1060. I'm yet to have a good experience with an ATI card. What I like on Rx580 is just the bigger VRAM.

3 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I knew 3 simmers that got PCs over the years, with AMD chips, and wound up replacing them with Intel PC's. That's enough for me. 

What kind of CPU was that? AMD is a bit of hit and miss. I remember having two Opteron based servers at work, one Bulldozer 1st gen based and one Piledriver based. Bull was pretty bad, we jokingly said 'Paid nothing, got nothing' (compared to Xeon). Pile was pretty OK. Ryzen 2nd gen is based on Zen+ architecture (Pinnacle Ridge), they should be pretty good.

Edited October 7, 20187 yr by emko

I built myself a Ryzen 5 1600x system almost one year ago to the day, after exhaustive research vs. Intel and the Ryzen 7. 

I am a happy camper: paired with a GeForce 1080, Acer Predator 2k monitor, Samsung SSD and the fastest RAM the motherboard supports I saw an easy 50 FPS with a stock P3D installation. 

I run Orbx products, ActiveSky, and a few other scenery packages. I have the frame limiter set to 35 FPS and the majority of the time I have a smooth flight experience. Most of my settings are on high/ultra/towards the right side of the slider and I avoid AI traffic, ships, etc.

I do believe Intel still has the edge on speed because of the way P3D is engineered, but I am 100% happy with my Ryzen system. 

Edited October 8, 20187 yr by snpower

15 hours ago, exeodus said:

No need to get a M.2 SSD, you can get a standard SSD for cheaper and put those extra funds towards something else.

For his build you are correct.

But with a triple view setup even a 6Gb SSD C drive is hitting 100% in detailed scenery. Therefore I switched to a 2TB m2 1800/1800.

Adfitional : a 7900k can do around 350 and a regular SSD around 520-560. However, with lots of data a SSD like that can drop to 25% of its max performance. To be at least at 350 I needed 4X 350= 1400..,

Intel CPUs are optimized for 2400hz memory it`s in the spec sheet, Linus did a test on YouTube when using XMP profile when you go past 3200hz there is no gain the CPU can only crunch the data at a max speed, trying to push data in faster than the CPU can handle will not go, even de8bar has done the same test and to quote him don't waste your money better spent on a faster CPU or drive. 

14 hours ago, emko said:

As djbully suggested, I decided to go with faster RAM - 1x16GB 3000MHz CL15. The 3000MHz should be the fastest Ryzen 5 2nd gen can handle, according to the spec. Or am I missing anything?

Yes, you miss the fact that using 1x16GB will not allow you to use DualChannel. Although the use of DualChannel might be not that important, I would certainly go for 2x8GB instead of 1x16GB. At least for Intel platforms, might be slightly different with AMD...

17 hours ago, overspeed3 said:

I really can't comment on the Ryzen chip as have the Intel 6700k with gives me 4.00 w/o overclocking (FSX-Steam).

But AMD's stock market has been in the doldrums, and went down even after Ryzen was introduced.  

Not a comment on their chip  performance  - just a point of interest... 

 

Well, now there stock was around $30 per share, risen up from below $10 a couple of years ago. Reality seems to be the opposite of your opinion.  

 

TBH, I'm really kicking my self for not chucking a couple of grand into their shares, could have tripled it by now!   😞

Edited October 8, 20187 yr by djbully

2 hours ago, rjfry said:

Intel CPUs are optimized for 2400hz memory it`s in the spec sheet, Linus did a test on YouTube when using XMP profile when you go past 3200hz there is no gain the CPU can only crunch the data at a max speed, trying to push data in faster than the CPU can handle will not go, even de8bar has done the same test and to quote him don't waste your money better spent on a faster CPU or drive. 

Ryzen is different. It uses something called "Infinity Fabric" for inter CPU communication. The speed of "Infinity Fabric" Is tied to the memory bus speed, so the higher your memory clock, the faster your CPU. IT REALLY DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. Completely different to Intel. 

Edited October 8, 20187 yr by djbully
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41 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Yes, you miss the fact that using 1x16GB will not allow you to use DualChannel. Although the use of DualChannel might be not that important, I would certainly go for 2x8GB instead of 1x16GB. At least for Intel platforms, might be slightly different with AMD...

Yes, good advice  🙂

 

45 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Yes, you miss the fact that using 1x16GB will not allow you to use DualChannel. Although the use of DualChannel might be not that important, I would certainly go for 2x8GB instead of 1x16GB. At least for Intel platforms, might be slightly different with AMD...

Thanks, I am aware of that. I'm going to buy another 1x16GB later*, exactly the same as this one therefore I'll have a dual channel later. BTW How much it affects the performance in P3D? Usually it's noticeable only by overclockers who beat the dump out of their PCs. Which, clearly, I am not 🙂 .

 

* For gaming it is overkill but I'll use the computer for other tasks as well. For some, I barely fit into 32GB. (Yes, you guessed it, I code in Java 😄.)

22 minutes ago, djbully said:

Ryzen is different. It uses something called "Infinity Fabric" for inter CPU communication. The speed of "Infinity Fabric" Is tied to the memory bus speed, so the higher your memory clock, the faster your CPU. IT REALLY DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. Completely different to Intel. 

Thanks! But is it able use faster RAM than specified?

33 minutes ago, emko said:

Thanks! But is it able use faster RAM than specified?

Well, mine (1st gen Ryzen) will run 3200 stable. 

A 2nd gen 2600, should easily do 3200, possibly more. I know that 2nd gen has slightly better RAM speeds and easier to get running. 

 

Edited October 8, 20187 yr by djbully

3 hours ago, rjfry said:

Intel CPUs are optimized for 2400hz memory it`s in the spec sheet, Linus did a test on YouTube when using XMP profile when you go past 3200hz there is no gain the CPU can only crunch the data at a max speed, trying to push data in faster than the CPU can handle will not go, even de8bar has done the same test and to quote him don't waste your money better spent on a faster CPU or drive. 

Its not that easy, did some tests in P3D-V4 with my 7920x and 8700k  2 months ago memspeeds and cashe ( speed and avilable cash per core) .

first a was not alone have help from Elmor

First we see fast mem help alot with the low Fps and cash per core helped with less stutters (Higher bandwith)

Tthe tests they did was with general gaming there you are mostly gpu bound but when you ar cpu bound memspeed  have impact ( look de8uer 3dmark boost , the cpu and combined test that ar cpu bound)

its up to each other what suit them best like in this tread if you want to run AMD or Intel dosent matter it up to you.

And isnt it time to move this tread , the right place

1 hour ago, djbully said:

Well, mine (1st gen Ryzen) will run 3200 stable. 

A 2nd gen 2600, should easily do 3200, possibly more. I know that 2nd gen has slightly better RAM speeds and easier to get running. 

 

My daily 1800X  setup, with noctua cooler

https://www.dropbox.com/s/duribn3xfika7ui/Ryzen 3600.png?dl=0

Nice! I have tried, 3200 is my limit. I think it’s more the IMC on the cpu holding me back, rather than the memory itself. 

5 hours ago, rjfry said:

Intel CPUs are optimized for 2400hz memory it`s in the spec sheet, Linus did a test on YouTube when using XMP profile when you go past 3200hz there is no gain the CPU can only crunch the data at a max speed, trying to push data in faster than the CPU can handle will not go, even de8bar has done the same test and to quote him don't waste your money better spent on a faster CPU or drive. 

Yeah, we've been down this road already Ray. You're still misunderstanding the context of the de8bar video or just spinning the info to suit your narrative. He's talking to the fool and his money .... It's what he's not telling us that it's important.. And keep in mind, the working relationship of the cpu and mem cannot be told in a 30 second video ....especially with P3D 4.3.

Look, I spent the whole darn summer home with a broken foot .....got to spend lot's of time working with memory ...mind you on a system and a cpu that will utilize hi-speed memory ...again, especially with a memory intensive program like P3D 4.3.

....And I get it,  you'll not be able to replicate my claims due to the limitations of that """over priced""" under-performing mobo you run <....kinda the point of de#bar's video, don't you think?>  but that doesn't mean there isn't a bigger faster mouse trap.