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I need to add some more space, primarily to store by Orbx folder.

I am looking at a 1TB external SSD. 

I can see a Samsung 860 EVO for $245 (AUD), or for an extra $155 I can get a Samsung T5.

Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on what I will get for the extra money, is it worth it, and whether anyone is successfully using a Samsung 860 for the their flight sim. 

cheers

Ian

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5 hours ago, Ian S said:

I am looking at a 1TB external SSD. 

Why not internal? Unless you use one of the more unusual interfaces like Thunderbolt, in an average system an internal SSD will almost always be faster than an external one, particularly so if you use an NVMe drive. The only compelling reason to go for an external drive is portability.

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Just downloaded a heap of Orbx downloads. A good post by OP. Where are they stored so can make a back-up?

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This question is valid for laptops, I am interested in following this thread.

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19 minutes ago, beechcaptain said:

This question is valid for laptops, I am interested in following this thread.

+1 There is not always available slot for an additional SSD

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3 hours ago, vortex681 said:

Why not internal? Unless you use one of the more unusual interfaces like Thunderbolt, in an average system an internal SSD will almost always be faster than an external one, particularly so if you use an NVMe drive. The only compelling reason to go for an external drive is portability.

Exactly, portability. 

I am hoping to future-proof things as much as possible. In the event I change my motherboard I dont want to worry about compatibility and instead just plug the drive into the new system 

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2 hours ago, vc10man said:

Just downloaded a heap of Orbx downloads. A good post by OP. Where are they stored so can make a back-up?

Just to clarify,  this will be for my primary Orbx folder, not the backup files used for reinstallations 

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1 hour ago, Ian S said:

Just to clarify,  this will be for my primary Orbx folder, not the backup files used for reinstallations 

Probably did not phrase it correctly, but what I meant to say was that I have just spent 3 days downloading all my Orbx purchases now that I have a larger drive, but wanted to ideally know how to create a backup folder, as slow broadband speeds takes ages to download

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2 hours ago, Ian S said:

I am hoping to future-proof things as much as possible. In the event I change my motherboard I dont want to worry about compatibility and instead just plug the drive into the new system.

You could still use an internal drive. If you use a SATA3 SSD it will almost certainly be faster than an external drive and you can still easily swap it between systems - the SATA3 interface is likely to be around for some time yet. Additionally, it will probably cost less than an external drive and it guarantees that you won't have any potential USB connection problems that pop up occasionally.

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Plus, an internal SSD can be double-foam-sided-taped almost anywhere inside the case. You don’t need an empty slot.

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21 minutes ago, Trumpet1 said:

Plus, an internal SSD can be double-foam-sided-taped almost anywhere inside the case. You don’t need an empty slot.

Hmm..how do you mean?

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TBH, an external SSD somewhat defeats the purpose of buying the fast media in the first place.  The device is faster, but the transfer speeds from it to the data bus are quite a bit slower than an internal nVME or SATA III connection.  Faster (and more expensive) device on a slower bus...not really an improvement.

Also, placing scenery (except photoscenery) onto an SSD does not generally help with performance, because P3D/FSX's lookahead precaches the scenery to RAM before it's processed anyway, making the speed at which it's accessed essentially irrelevant (within the range of currently-available storage devices).

So...if you have to put scenery on an external drive, it's probably just as well to buy a much cheaper (and probably higher-capacity) 7200 rpm HDD.  The only performance difference you might notice is slightly longer loading times when starting the sim.

Regards

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On 11/7/2018 at 5:08 PM, w6kd said:

TBH, an external SSD somewhat defeats the purpose of buying the fast media in the first place.  The device is faster, but the transfer speeds from it to the data bus are quite a bit slower than an internal nVME or SATA III connection.  Faster (and more expensive) device on a slower bus...not really an improvement.

Also, placing scenery (except photoscenery) onto an SSD does not generally help with performance, because P3D/FSX's lookahead precaches the scenery to RAM before it's processed anyway, making the speed at which it's accessed essentially irrelevant (within the range of currently-available storage devices).

So...if you have to put scenery on an external drive, it's probably just as well to buy a much cheaper (and probably higher-capacity) 7200 rpm HDD.  The only performance difference you might notice is slightly longer loading times when starting the sim.

Regards

Bob,

I moved FS Global files to a slower HDD from a SSD to generate more space and the load time of P3D was considerably slower. Moved them back the next day.

FS Global covers the entire world in enhanced mesh and comes on 8 DVDs so it’s quite a lot of data. Less data would be read quicker but I would always store scenery on SSDs.

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46 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I moved FS Global files to a slower HDD from a SSD to generate more space and the load time of P3D was considerably slower. Moved them back the next day.

FS Global covers the entire world in enhanced mesh and comes on 8 DVDs so it’s quite a lot of data. Less data would be read quicker but I would always store scenery on SSDs.

I think the difference here is the OP is asking about using an external drive, which is likely to be limited by the speed of the interface.  No doubt about it, initial load times are much faster on an internal SATA III or nVME SSD when compared to an internal HDD.

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17 minutes ago, w6kd said:

I think the difference here is the OP is asking about using an external drive, which is likely to be limited by the speed of the interface.  No doubt about it, initial load times are much faster on an internal SATA III or nVME SSD when compared to an internal HDD.

I agree but wasn't he asking about an external drive presumably connected via USB3? How do the speeds of that compare to internal SSD? Slow, very slow or take the dog for a walk?

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35 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I agree but wasn't he asking about an external drive presumably connected via USB3? How do the speeds of that compare to internal SSD? Slow, very slow or take the dog for a walk?

I didn't see USB3 mentioned.

The speed comparison is a hard question to answer because the actual bandwidths experienced on SATA II/III, nVME, and USB 2/3 are rarely anything close to the much-touted theoretical maximums.  nVME, the current fast SSD standard, is theoretically ~8x faster than SATA III, which is theoretically 20% faster than USB3, etc.  Many computers, especially those a few years old, do not have native USB3 capability in the primary chipset, but rather have a third-party controller chip added to the motherboard, and those controllers generally do not perform like USB3 native to the Intel chipset.  Then there are also questions whether an external SSD connected via a USB interface can be managed by the OS trim function necessary to maintain write performance and minimize the effects of write amplification.

But keep in mind that all HDDs are not created equal, either.  I've seen folks using el-cheapo 5400 rpm WD "Green" drives in their PCs that have horrible seek time and throughput performance...a much different experience than a 7200 rpm WD Caviar Black with 64 or 128 MB of hardware cache.  So I'd add to my initial recommendation to use a good 7200 rpm HDD, not just the cheapest one on the shelf, as it can make a significant difference in loading times.

On 11/7/2018 at 9:06 AM, vc10man said:

Probably did not phrase it correctly, but what I meant to say was that I have just spent 3 days downloading all my Orbx purchases now that I have a larger drive, but wanted to ideally know how to create a backup folder, as slow broadband speeds takes ages to download

There's a little link visible in the FTXCentral window, something like "Installation Options" that will open another window that allows you to save a backup copy of the install files during installation.  So if you've already installed, you've missed the boat, I'm afraid.  Not to worry, though, in the ORBX forums they describe how you can back up your ORBX scenery by copying the relevant folders from your P3D root folder to a backup device.  The tricky part is you have to also go find any elevation correction files it installed in scenery\world\scenery and save those too. 

Regards

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43 minutes ago, w6kd said:

There's a little link visible in the FTXCentral window, something like "Installation Options" that will open another window that allows you to save a backup copy of the install files during installation.  So if you've already installed, you've missed the boat, I'm afraid.  Not to worry, though, in the ORBX forums they describe how you can back up your ORBX scenery by copying the relevant folders from your P3D root folder to a backup device.  The tricky part is you have to also go find any elevation correction files it installed in scenery\world\scenery and save those too. 

Regards

Thanks, Bob. I followed that FTX Central option but could not find where to save only where the Downloads went to instead of %User%/AppData/Temp, or something like that  i.e. a drive I had designated. But as you say, I missed the boat. However, I did find the Orbx folder in the root P3D----85Gb worth of their downloads, and bought an external USB3 drive today to take care of it all.That way, I have the backups.

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2 minutes ago, vc10man said:

Thanks, Bob. I followed that FTX Central option but could not find where to save only where the Downloads went to instead of %User%/AppData/Temp, or something like that  i.e. a drive I had designated. But as you say, I missed the boat. However, I did find the Orbx folder in the root P3D----85Gb worth of their downloads, and bought an external USB3 drive today to take care of it all.That way, I have the backups.

You want to go find the thread in the ORBX forums about this...one more important thing is the terrain.cfg file modifications that ORBX makes.  I'l pulling this all up from memory...so for a more complete and (hopefully) fool-proof backup plan it'd be smart to read what they said.  There's nothing worse than finding you need to resort to a backup and that you're short a critical missing link.

Regards

 

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1 hour ago, w6kd said:

I didn't see USB3 mentioned.

Nor me but until the OP supplies more info on his setup I’m rightly or wrongly assuming it’s a laptop so USB3 would be the most likely connection for an external device.

Time for me to bow out of this as I can’t really add any more.

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1 hour ago, w6kd said:

You want to go find the thread in the ORBX forums about this...one more important thing is the terrain.cfg file modifications that ORBX makes.  I'l pulling this all up from memory...so for a more complete and (hopefully) fool-proof backup plan it'd be smart to read what they said.  There's nothing worse than finding you need to resort to a backup and that you're short a critical missing link.

Regards

 

Thanks, Bob. Will heed and do.

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Bob, had a look at the Orbx Forum as suggested, but the topic re: SSD, backup, was so vague and obscure, that I could not even make head or tail of it. I am not interested in the vagaries of FSX backups, etc. All I am interested in is backing up my newly-installed Orbx P3D FTX files.

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On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 8:57 AM, costamesa said:

Hmm..how do you mean?

Only that an SSD has no mechanical parts and is very light. You can just use double sided foam tape to stick it almost anywhere inside the case - no need to shock mount it in one of the HDD (or 2.5") slots it you don't have room. As long as you can get a SATA and power cable to it you're good. 

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