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I know it’s “All Falcon, all the time” here in the forum at the moment, 😁 but I was so pleased with the FSW Falcon, that decided to purchase the Lear 35A too.

I just installed it this morning before leaving for work, and haven’t had a chance to do much more than load it and look around the aircraft a bit.

One thing I noticed right away is that whenever the aircraft is powered up, either by  battery power, or by the GPU, every light on the annunciatior panel is continuously illuminated, including flashing fire handles, as if the annunciatior test button was being held depressed.

The problem is that I can’t find the annunciatior light test button (if it exists in the sim). I’ve read through the manual several times and see no mention of it. There is the “test” light on the autopilot section of the panel, but that should only test the lighting of the autopilot-specific annunciatiors and buttons.


Jim Barrett

Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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9 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

I know it’s “All Falcon, all the time” here in the forum at the moment, 😁 but I was so pleased with the FSW Falcon, that decided to purchase the Lear 35A too.

I just installed it this morning before leaving for work, and haven’t had a chance to do much more than load it and look around the aircraft a bit.

One thing I noticed right away is that whenever the aircraft is powered up, either by  battery power, or by the GPU, every light on the annunciatior panel is continuously illuminated, including flashing fire handles, as if the annunciatior test button was being held depressed.

The problem is that I can’t find the annunciatior light test button (if it exists in the sim). I’ve read through the manual several times and see no mention of it. There is the “test” light on the autopilot section of the panel, but that should only test the lighting of the autopilot-specific annunciatiors and buttons.

Hi Jim,

Hah - while the Falcon is the new shiny object under the tree - I seriously doubt it will displace my absolute love of the FSW Lear... A plane that looks like a fighter - which was its pedigree - that has massive tip tanks on its wings that look like weapons - with enough thrust to make you feel like you’re in a rocket -  yep - rest assured that the Lear is my favorite... The Flysimware model is one of my favorite aircraft of all time in FS - period - it’s almost magical for me... Everything just works - as Mark has continually updated the model from the day it was released and it’s a complete hoot to fly... 

I believe the annunciator test light switch is a little black nub sticking down from the bottom of the glareshield - just to the left of the annunciator panel... It lights all the fire alarms as well...

Here are my paints - might illustrate my enthusiasm - big fan of AirNet as well:

https://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=Learjet+Brunner&CatID=root&Go=Search

There are a few other things we should point out - I’ll follow up...

Regards,

Scott


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Thanks Scott! I’ll check in that location when I get back home.

Jim


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Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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2 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Thanks Scott! I’ll check in that location when I get back home.

Jim

Hi Jim,

Roger that...

One other issue you should look at that’s easily fixed - only recently we recognized a lighting issue with the model in P3D - sunlight doesn’t reflect properly off the model - we only discussed this after Mark released a major update on the Lear and he hasn’t had an opportunity to fix it yet...

The fix is to download Arno’s “Radiator” from FSDeveloper - it’s a very small program and very simple to fix - makes a huge difference...

Here’s the How To:

Regards,

Scott

 

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18 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Jim,

Roger that...

One other issue you should look at that’s easily fixed - only recently we recognized a lighting issue with the model in P3D - sunlight doesn’t reflect properly off the model - we only discussed this after Mark released a major update on the Lear and he hasn’t had an opportunity to fix it yet...

The fix is to download Arno’s “Radiator” from FSDeveloper - it’s a very small program and very simple to fix - makes a huge difference...

Here’s the How To:

Regards,

Scott

 

Cool! Thanks for the info.

I know I’m going to enjoy this aircraft too. I like ‘em “old school”

Jim

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I had a chance to do a proper test flight today. What a sweet-flying airplane! I can see why Scott loves it.

I am using the F1 GTN/Milviz radar panel.

Did a short flight from Teterboro to my home airport KELM. Everything worked well with one exception. I was established on the ILS, tracking the localizer and glideslope perfectly, fully configured for landing with gear down and flaps 40, but was getting a constant “don’t sink” voice alert. It started as soon as the autopilot captured the glideslope, and continued right up until touchdown.

I’m pretty sure that particular alert would only be heard on initial climb in any case. 


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Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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48 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

I had a chance to do a proper test flight today. What a sweet-flying airplane! I can see why Scott loves it.

I am using the F1 GTN/Milviz radar panel.

Did a short flight from Teterboro to my home airport KELM. Everything worked well with one exception. I was established on the ILS, tracking the localizer and glideslope perfectly, fully configured for landing with gear down and flaps 40, but was getting a constant “don’t sink” voice alert. It started as soon as the autopilot captured the glideslope, and continued right up until touchdown.

I’m pretty sure that particular alert would only be heard on initial climb in any case. 

Jim,

I think it is the GTN750 that generates the "Don't Sink" call out. Very irritating.

Al

 

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7 minutes ago, ark said:

Jim,

I think it is the GTN750 that generates the "Don't Sink" call out. Very irritating.

Al

 

Hi Folks,

That was my understanding as well - has anyone gone through the GTN options - is it possible to turn it off ?

Regards,
Scott


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Here is what Tiberiu (Flight 1) wrote regarding this a while back:

"The GTN does not have an GPWS, but a TAWS. There is a TAWS inhibit, but it never cancels the PULL UP message, that can not be cancelled. This is described in the manual and that is how it is in the real one.

The TAWS inhibit is working according to Garmin specifications, it does not shut down the system completely, it is like a car with ESP mode, if you press the ESP off button, it will never shut down the system completely, some core components will always remain on.

This behavior is described in the real Garmin GTN 750 manual, which comes with the GTN PC Trainer:

"TAWS also has an inhibit mode that deactivates the PDA/FLTA aural and
visual alerts. Pilots should use discretion when inhibiting TAWS and always
remember to enable the system when appropriate. Page 11-17 : Only the PDA and FLTA
alerts are disabled in the inhibit mode." "

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1 hour ago, ark said:

Jim,

I think it is the GTN750 that generates the "Don't Sink" call out. Very irritating.

Al

 

Makes sense. I’ll check the GTN options.


Jim Barrett

Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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There is a GPWS Toggle command in FSX/P3D.  I activate it in Voice Attack with a verbal command -- think I use "SHUTUP".  Well, maybe not exactly that voice command, but whatever I use it does turn off some of the warnings. I don't recall if it turns off the 'Don't Sink' callout.

There is also a [GPWS] section in the aircraft.cfg file with a sink rate and excessive sink rate setting. Setting those parameters to 'greater' (more negative) values may help.

Al

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6 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

I had a chance to do a proper test flight today. What a sweet-flying airplane! I can see why Scott loves it.

I am using the F1 GTN/Milviz radar panel.

Did a short flight from Teterboro to my home airport KELM. Everything worked well with one exception. I was established on the ILS, tracking the localizer and glideslope perfectly, fully configured for landing with gear down and flaps 40, but was getting a constant “don’t sink” voice alert. It started as soon as the autopilot captured the glideslope, and continued right up until touchdown.

I’m pretty sure that particular alert would only be heard on initial climb in any case. 

Hi Jim,

This video illustrates one of my favorite features of the Lear flight model - I know - most of you may have seen me post this before - LOL - so please ignore - this is for the new Lear guy...

We can land just like this plane in the sim - land keeping the nose up - engaging both the spoilers and reverses - while air braking with the nose in the air down the runway... So many of the planes in flight sim just seem to slam their nose down once you land...

Elmira ? I flew into Painted Post which is near there for a big fly in a couple years ago - nice area - I recall ATC was warning about gliders in the area as well...

OMG - yes - Voice Attack is an absolute must for me with this aircraft - I have it reading and performing checklists - helping out as a virtual copilot - raising flaps and gear on takeoff - engaging the autopilot by pressing all the required buttons in sequence while I hold t aircraft steady in the initial climb - yeah - it works great and greatly increases the immersion for me... Things happen too fast for single pilot flight...

 

 

Regards,

Scott

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3 hours ago, scottb613 said:

Elmira ? I flew into Painted Post which is near there for a big fly in a couple years ago - nice area - I recall ATC was warning about gliders in the area as well...

 

That was a great video!

Yes, I know Painted Post airport and all the guys at Costa Flying Service very well. In addition to my corporate aircraft maintenance job, I do a lot of GA avionics work there on the side. Mainly 24-month altimeter/transponder recerts.

There is definitely a lot of sailplane activity around here. Harris Hill and the National Soaring Museum is up on the hill just south of KELM.

Jim


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Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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Hi Folks,

In regards to the GPWS - I posed this question to Jean-Luc - as he answers them so quickly...

I'll try the RXP GTN over the weekend and see if we get the same warnings...

14 minutes ago, RXP said:

Hi Scott,

First, it depends if you setup the GTN device in Terrain Proximity Mode, TAWS-B or TAWS-A.

Then, for the last two, there are additional options for you to setup, such as min runway length /surface type which affect our GTN TAWS algorithm in determining whether your are CFIT or landing.

In addition, when using TAWS-A, you can select a number of specific aircraft speeds (Approach, Flaps Extended, Gear Extended) to further refine the algorithm limits.

The RXP GTN figures these value automatically for you depending on the type of aircraft you are loading it with, whether fixed or retractable gear, and you can manually set the values instead if you prefer.

Last but not least, there couldn't be any sane TAWS-A installation without an essential component: we connect the gear extended and flaps extended signal to the GTN so that the TAWS-A/B work as intended.

Like I often say here, not all GTN are born equal, and I'd be pretty sure the RXP GTN would do, in the case you are asking for, exactly like the real GTN would do!

Just let me know you tests outcome!

Regards,
Scott


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3 hours ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

In regards to the GPWS - I posed this question to Jean-Luc - as he answers them so quickly...

I'll try the RXP GTN over the weekend and see if we get the same warnings...

Regards,
Scott

One of the very nice things about the RXP GTN is that you can "drill down" into the settings of the unit as Jean-Luc described.

I know that Mark is planning additional updates to the Lear at a future time, and I understand that when the Lear was originally released, the F1 GTN was the only one available.

I wasn't sure if the RXP GTN could be used with the Lear. I don't know enough about how the aircraft panels and graphics are configured to try doing it myself. Don't want to screw anything up!

Jim Barrett


Jim Barrett

Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

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