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My goodness, I thought they'd gone bust. Haven't heard from this company in years.

Bought a few of their aircraft in 2015/16 but found that they couldn't install in FSX Steam Edition and they didn't answer any questions on their support page either.

I'd be weary buying anything from them as their aircraft are FSX only (not even Steam Edition) and they still charge the same prices as four years ago, for reasonably good, but very outdated models. They will need to discount much more to get me interested.

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I know someone who is running the Stearman in P3D v4.4 and is happy with it, apart from the well known 'sound loop'.

It is confusing. He purchased it from FSPS Xmas 2018, but it is  no longer available there.

T45

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Too bad about the FSX-only. I am in the market for a little Vans, and the Panther looks fun.

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2 hours ago, rightseat said:

Too bad about the FSX-only. I am in the market for a little Vans, and the Panther looks fun.

Hey rightseat, I can't vouch for the Vans, but the Panther, Hellcat, Avenger, Dauntless etc are all great and really well modeled. They were definitely ahead of their time and still look good today, but they're add-ons that were produced in the 2008-2012 period.

As Treetops45 says, there are ways to get them to work in P3D with varying success, but I've grown tired of tinkering with flight sims and just want to get-in-and-go nowadays. I'm still using FSX half of the time, therefore happy to buy FSX-only products, but the 28% discounted prices of £16 ($20?) feel a bit steep.

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im weary as I bought their products  from their old stores for them to close the doors on them and now they have opened a 3rd store ?

as they are nice products and work in both fsx and p3d, I will wait for them to sell them through a major store from now on

 

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I'd be almost inclined to give their SBD a shot. It looks quite nice, but I think fifteen quid is a bit over the odds for a product which is comparatively basic and getting on for ten years old. If they dropped it to a tenner, I'd probably bite.

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Get the SBD (including 3 other warbirds) at Flightstore.co.uk here for £2, plus postage (FSX DVD), also the Vans and Stearman for £2 🙂

Don't have the SBD but I have the Vans and Stearman both working ok in P3D (not sure if I tried them in P3Dv4 but should be OK)

Cheers
Keith

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4 hours ago, keithb77 said:

Get the SBD (including 3 other warbirds) at Flightstore.co.uk here for £2, plus postage (FSX DVD), also the Vans and Stearman for £2 🙂

Don't have the SBD but I have the Vans and Stearman both working ok in P3D (not sure if I tried them in P3Dv4 but should be OK)

Cheers
Keith

I meant to ask - to get the Vans & Stearman working in P3D - did you have to do much fiddling?

T45

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I think they just worked...no 'cockpit sounds' perhaps...but can you really hear switch clicks in an open cockpit with that big radial up front? Certainly couldn't in the Tiger Moth I flew once 🙂

Biggest problem for 64-bit P3D is FS2004 objects and macros in the model - that's a no-no, the sim often crashes. Then 32bit code in instruments, which is usually minor - something just doesn't work properly. Bit like real-life...

For aircraft using the common freeware sound guauge there is now a 64-bit replacement.

Cheers
Keith

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4 hours ago, keithb77 said:

Get the SBD (including 3 other warbirds) at Flightstore.co.uk here for £2, plus postage (FSX DVD), also the Vans and Stearman for £2 🙂

Don't have the SBD but I have the Vans and Stearman both working ok in P3D (not sure if I tried them in P3Dv4 but should be OK)

Cheers
Keith

Thanks for that link, just ordered it from there.

For those interested in a Boeing Stearman incidentally, I can recommend the recent Golden Age Simulations one, which is compatible with all versions of P3D and all versions of FSX. It has some very nice features including models of Continental and Lycoming engined versions, several differing civilian, Air Force and Navy variants and a working hand-cranked inertia starter which is fun to use in the sim. You can find that at places such as Just Flight for 16.99.

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On 1/9/2019 at 10:15 PM, Treetops45 said:

Plus GAS have a Super Stearman in development, release slated for Jan'19.

Yup, really looking forward to that one, instant buy for me, just like the current one was, it's definitely GAS's best release to date; personally I think it's one of the best add-ons you can get for P3D, it always puts a smile on my face to fly this one.

And whilst the current GAS Model 75/PT13/17 version is really great fun to fly,  there'll doubtless be more fun to be had in the new ones with their uprated engines and revised dual ailerons will certainly improve the roll rate; the standard Stearman's roll rate is a bit too leisurely for serious aeros, which is probably why that dual aileron mod is quite common on them these days.

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On 1/9/2019 at 7:23 PM, Chock said:

For those interested in a Boeing Stearman incidentally, I can recommend the recent Golden Age Simulations one, which is compatible with all versions of P3D and all versions of FSX.

Yes, I can second that. The new GAS Stearman is great. The sound are fantastic, they got a 3rd party (Immersive Audio) to do the sounds and it paid off, ie you basically get a free soundpack.

And if you ask them nicely on their support page (after having purchased the original of course) , they might send you a free demo version of a Stearman duster they've been working on - it is brilliant!

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Thanks to keithb77 for the link to the sale at Flightstore. The boxed set of DVDs arrived in the post today (four aircraft: F9F, F8F, SDB and P36, for a grand total of £5.95 including the P&P), Can't argue with that price. 🙂

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Just now, Chock said:

Thanks to keithb77 for the link to the sale at Flightstore. The boxed set of DVDs arrived in the post today (four aircraft: F9F, F8F, SDB and P36, for a grand total of £5.95 including the P&P), Can't argue with that price. 🙂

You guys are so lucky. It takes 4 to 6 months for normal mail to arrive here in South Africa nowadays, that is if it arrives at all and don't get looted. To get anything here safely and in good time, we have to use a courier at great expense. That same DVD set would have probably cost £15, just for shipping!

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6 minutes ago, rooitou said:

You guys are so lucky. It takes 4 to 6 months for normal mail to arrive here in South Africa nowadays, that is if it arrives at all and don't get looted. To get anything here safely and in good time, we have to use a courier at great expense. That same DVD set would have probably cost £15, just for shipping!

Well, that's the advantage of digital downloads these days I suppose. Like most people I suppose, I've pretty much stopped buying software on physical media these days, but for that kind of price it was hard to say no. Will check them out later, but not before I've got to go and work on the real things at the airport for a few hours (real life can be so annoying sometimes lol)

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Yep, digital downloads certainly saved the day for us.

By the way, I have almost all of the Vertigo Studio aircraft and while the majority are hard-locked on installing into FSX folder only (ie folder selection greyed out), a few don't have that limitation and can be installed into FSX Steam and P3D. It seems aircraft created after mid-2011 don't have the limitation. They are the Stearman (16 Dec 2011), Vans RV8 (12 Dec 2011), TBM Avenger (16 Jul 2011) and Spad VII (28 Nov 2014).

 

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I've just flown the Vans and Stearman in P3Dv4 and they do work OK, unchanged from the DVD install.

The Stearman has no cockpit sounds anyway (just that big engine, and the whistle of wind in the wires 🙂 )

The Vans uses a DeadPixl custom gauge for cockpit sound, this is 32-bit and doesn't work.
If you want cockpit sounds, then the Virtavia Islander also uses that gauge and there is a fix here https://www.simforums.com/forums/islander-in-p3dv4_topic60395.html that may also work for the RV-7.

If you are installing into Windows 10, then some older DVDs used copy protection that isn't supported by W10.
Hopefully this isn't the case for the SBD etc, but if it is then I think the only option is to install to Windows 7 and copy the files.

Cheers
Keith

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11 hours ago, keithb77 said:

If you are installing into Windows 10, then some older DVDs used copy protection that isn't supported by W10.
Hopefully this isn't the case for the SBD etc, but if it is then I think the only option is to install to Windows 7 and copy the files.

I was able to use the DVDs no problem on Windows 10. The DVDs look for your FSX folder on your system and you cannot change that installation path in the installer, but you could use a dummy FSX folder to do this if you did not have FSX installed (I installed it into the Steam version of FSX). It was then simply a case of copying the folders from FSX to P3D V4.4 to get them working just fine in the newer sim.

Here they all are, sat on the ramp in P3D 4.4:

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They all fly well in P3D, sounds work etc and are actually pretty nice simulations. Not all the switches in the VC do stuff, but most of the ones you would want to work, do actually do something. So considering that (if I don't include postage costs) they cost me literally fifty pence each, this is a good bargain. I'm pretty pleased to actually have an Douglas SBD Dauntless/A24 Banshee and a Curtiss Hawk 75/P36. Wanted both those in my sim for ages, and it's a nice bonus to have got the F9F and the F8F too.

Anyway, here's some fun facts about these aeroplanes which you might not know...

The Curtiss Hawk 75 (aka the P36 in US service) was actually a fairly advanced fighter for its day, although because it tended to come up against Luftwaffe pilots with more combat experience when it fought in 1939 and 1940, this has somewhat marred its reputation with some, but not everyone: It was initially suggested by Air Intelligence staff in the UK that when RAF pilots operating over France in 1941 began reporting that they were coming up against an impressive radial-engined fighter flown by the Luftwaffe, that what they were seeing was captured Hawk 75s in Luftwaffe service (and it is true that the Luftwaffe did indeed use some of them), but on this occasion they they were not often those captured Hawk 75s, but rather the then- new Focke-Wulf 190A, about which the Allies new surprisingly little until it started showing up in combat.

The SBD Dauntless is often regarded as purely a dive bomber, but of course its designation stood for Scout Bomber Douglas, indicating that it had a role as a scouting aircraft too. Being that it had good armor, four machine guns and was very manueverable, as well as being able to shoot backwards at anything pursuing it, it often did surprisingly well against lightweight and lightly-armoured Japanese fighters. It wasn't as fast as contemporary fighters, but if flown aggressively, it often demonstrated that it could actually hold its own against the Japanese Mitsubishi A6M, most famously on one occasion by US Navy aviator, Lt (JG) Stanley W. Vejtasa, who managed to destroy three Mitsubishi A6Ms in his SBD, shooting down two of them and smashing the wing off a third A6M when his SDB collided with it on a head on firing pass. Needless to say, he was transferred to fighters after that performance and went on to shoot down seven more enemy aircraft, all of them in one day! among the numerous decorations he was awarded, he is the only WW2 carrier-based aviator to be awarded the Navy Cross for actions as both bomber pilot and as a fighter pilot.

The F8F Bearcat had a fairly unique feature for an aeroplane: Its outer wingtips were deliberately designed to break off if the airframe exceeded 7.5Gs; the theory behind this was that if the aeroplane was overstressed in combat, rather than it bending and being almost impossible to repair whilst at sea on a carrier, it could instead have new wintips put on easily. Unfortunately, whilst it sounded like a good idea in theory, in practice the stresses put on it when making carrier landings and the less than brilliant tolerances of a wartime-manufatured aeroplane meant that it was more likely for one wingtip to break off rather than both of them, which would lead to dangerous control difficulties. Engineers tried to correct this by fitting an explosive bolt system which would blow off both wingtips at the detection of 7.5 Gs, but since this was dangerous for personnel working on the aircraft, the idea was completely abandoned and later versions just had beefed-up outer wings instead.

Although not an especially celebrated aeroplane, often being eclipsed by the much more photogenic and sleeker F-86 Sabre, the F9F Panther was a good combat aeroplane and it nevertheless has a few interesting claims to fame: Navy aviator Lt. Royce Williams managed to battle six MiG-15s single-handedly in his F9F, after he lost contact with his wingman whilst on a bombing mission over North Korea. Williams managed to destroy four of the MiGs before he was forced to withdraw, whereupon he successfully returned to his carrier. His F9F had sustained over 260 cannon hits and was deemed to be beyond economical repair, but it had nevertheless got him back to his ship. The F9F was also the combat mount of two of the most famous US aviators of all - Neil Armstrong and fellow astronaut John Glenn.

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Ok

So when my discs arrive I'll need to dig out the old drive with FSX on it & let the PC find that , then copy over to P3D.

Have done that with several FSX only aircraft & it works.

T45

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Bought the Vertigo Stearman soon after moving to FSX and have really enjoyed flying it over the years. It is a great aircraft for low and slow flying and has the added advantage of a very low VAS footprint which is great for flying over resource intensive addon scenery in FSX without having to worry about OOM issues. This as well as quite a number of other boxed products for FSX and FS9 are available for just £2 at Flightstore UK with some great bargains to be found in both aircraft and scenery for anyone  interested.

At just £2 each for the boxed versions at Flightstore UK, I couldn’t resist ordering the the Hellcat, Bearcat, SBD, Avenger and Vans at the Flightstore (total £13.95 including postage) and look forward to a few hours of cheap flying in a few new types when these arrive.

Bill

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