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AI Live Traffic Released for FSX and Prepar3D

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4 minutes ago, Lorby_SI said:

But Simulator AI mode requires the data stream too -  it needs to know when exactly to create aircraft that depart or that you meet en route. That can't work with only a snapshot.

TBH, this sounds more like a task for AILT.

Best regards

 

 

Ok, I see.

 

Anyway it's good to see an increasing number of people working on AI solutions these days. Thanks for your contribution!

 

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5 hours ago, Michael Moe said:

Should i fill all percentages?

The default is only 50% as an average starting point. If they are all the same then no preferences are being expressed, so even if they were all 10% or all 90% they wouldn't have any affect. It's the differences which tell FSUIPC what you want it to do. You choose whatever suits you.

5 hours ago, Michael Moe said:

only in my departing /arrival airport

Set them all to 100 except the one for planned airports -- assuming you load your plan into the Sim. Otherwise FSUIPC doesn't know them.

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4 hours ago, TravelRunner404 said:

I end up with a lot of planes I can’t see in the sky and performance isn’t great.

I don't think planes you can't see are really causing performance issues -- they aren't being drawn, whichissurely the main load. And the further away an AI aircraft is then the less frequently is it being updated. I think i recall that the update frequency goes right down to something like 4 times per second, or maybe even less. 

Of course that latter part might not be true for a live injection which is continually updating their positions, but I'd hope it was. 

Pete

 

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Thread about a new AI program has been steered to another AI program...

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22 hours ago, Lorby_SI said:

Some want volume, others prefer accuracy. My own sim can't take too many AI aircraft before it starts to stutter, so I am happy with the real world. And I prefer flying to waiting in queue.

and neither do PSXseecon nor LorbyLiveTraffic. They inject the traffic at runtime, as it happens in the real world.

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Accuuracy? 

I´m currently over the golf of bengal and see 0 Planes within a range of 90 NM with Real Traffic and PSXSeecon ? 

FR24 shows me some 100 Planes?

Payed 20 EUR for the 3 Month subscirption to see 0 accuracy? 

 AIG Traffic at least shows me 3 Flights.

First is Real Traffic second is FR24

Real-Traffic.png FR24.png

Maybee it`s me doing somehting wrong.

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1 hour ago, Shylock_35 said:

Thread about a new AI program has been steered to another AI program...

Shylock you are right sorry for OT

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11 hours ago, Delta330 said:

Yep, that sounds right, using the app my airports look great and crowded but cruise is quite lonely. Flight plans must be generated every time you are going to start a flight.

Plus the whole of HK, China, Japan and Russia won't let you pull flight data / route strings off flightaware.com or fr24. They restrict the data

I guarantee this is going to be a gimmick like UT live was. 

Like I said we always have issues getting hold of our company aircraft over China / Russia  / India 

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23 hours ago, kenz said:

I love the idea of Lorby, having a direct image of the real live traffic in the sim, the problem is that there is no ground traffic (cause the AI diseapear as soon as the real plane turn transponder off) and that's a immersion killer in my opinion, empty airport are so sad

That depends on where you are. There are lots of airports where pilots (have to) keep their transponders on. Such as the major european airports EHAM, EDDF, LEMD, EGGL, EDDM and EKCH to name a few. In PSXseeconTraffic you can see these aircraft pushing back from the gate for departure and see arriving aircraft taxiing to a gate and park.

At those airports PSXseeconTraffic will learn automatically what airlines park at what gate with what type of aircraft at what time of the day, so it is able to populate your airport with a very realistic set of static aircraft at gates without you having to do anything for it. Fully automatic...

You can also check FR24 to see if an airport has ground traffic.

Nico Kaan (kiek)

Developer of the freeware PSXseeconTraffic app, first release Dec 15, 2015. 

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PSXseecon and Lorby appears to be really nice,  innovatives and advanced features but they appear to be far from being user friendly and plugnplay (multiples apps needed, LLTX, PPG, AILG, PSXT, and the datastream must be purchased elswhere etc...) this is so confusing.

There is clearly room for an "Live" AI app that can reach the users that don't want to go throught a IT degree before using it. AILT is clearly trying to fill it.

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3 hours ago, Shylock_35 said:

Thread about a new AI program has been steered to another AI program...

Yes I came to read all about it and it’s all about Lorby, talk about hi jacking a topic. Ridiculous.

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in an other hand, it nice to be able to compare those 3 products cause they're all three adressing the same need in different ways

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1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

Yes I came to read all about it and it’s all about Lorby, talk about hi jacking a topic. Ridiculous.

Sorry about that, that wasn't my intention. It somehow got out of hand, and we suddenly were talking about three AI products and a tool.

I have nothing to gain from hijacking a thread either. Better get it locked and start a new one.

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55 minutes ago, Lorby_SI said:

Sorry about that, that wasn't my intention. It somehow got out of hand, and we suddenly were talking about three AI products and a tool.

I have nothing to gain from hijacking a thread either. Better get it locked and start a new one.

Best regards

Am sure it wasn't Oliver, many topics can go off topic so fast it's like a game of Chinese whispers sometimes, you get to the page 3 and you have to remind yourself what the topic was really about. 

On Topic it would be really nice to hear how good or bad AI live is.

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7 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

On Topic it would be really nice to hear how good or bad AI live is.

Try the free demo and find out for yourself.

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8 minutes ago, F737NG said:

Try the free demo and find out for yourself.

I have UTL installed and am not messing around with the free demo. But thanks for the thought, I would just like to hear feedback from people using it.

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19 hours ago, RALF9636 said:

 

Ok, I see.

 

Anyway it's good to see an increasing number of people working on AI solutions these days. Thanks for your contribution!

 

The guy at ut live isn't working on any solutions.  He sold us down the river 2 years ago

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I downloaded FLAI, one click installer, downloaded the free demo, run the aircraft analyzer, one click and all the liveries where added to the library.

Set departure and arrival times and airports, LAX looks great and with no free gates at 100%, SAN even with an Horizon Dash8 which is not so easy to spot with Realtraffic. Could not spot any plane at cruise level, but the AI aircraft  list had many airliners flying, I think they were not close to my position.

Airports looks very crowded and flight numbers match when comparing to flightaware, not in real actual position but close enough to do some spotting.

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So what's the verdict on this? Seems like one user wasn't happy about it. The premise is a good idea but how was the execution? 

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I think its got potential if they put the time and effort into it and not left it half finished.

 

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5 hours ago, tooting said:

I think its got potential if they put the time and effort into it and not left it half finished.

 

what would you expect it to do that it doesn't do already?

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6 hours ago, ha5mvo said:

what would you expect it to do that it doesn't do already?

Maintain airline and airport codes. 

One of the previous issues with ai software is they didn't update schedules, airline codes, and airport codes. 

 

 

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On 5/31/2019 at 6:11 PM, kiek said:

There are lots of airports where pilots (have to) keep their transponders on. Such as the major european airports EHAM, EDDF, LEMD, EGGL, EDDM and EKCH to name a few. In PSXseeconTraffic you can see these aircraft pushing back from the gate for departure and see arriving aircraft taxiing to a gate and park.

Agree. Oceania it is Gate to Gate as well. In OZ and NZ anyway

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I cant tell you the amount of times a day in OCC we look at flight radar 24 muttering "come on whys this bugger not pushed yet" when looking for transponders to be switched on using fr24 

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Here I am still using PSXseeconTraffic to my full satisfaction.

AI aircraft, in realtime , from gate to gate incl all delays and diversions.

Lyning up at approach in a queue with other aircraft , who are actually flying there at that moment in reality too, adds so much to the immersion...

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Correct handling of AI is very much like administering medication. It has to be the right one at the right dose.

To date, no single program can do both, and none of it is the developers fault. The core of the problem is with the way the sim handles AI and the lack of an affordable and reliable data stream.

Even with the most up to data static database, like the ones based on BGLs or the UTL database, you'll get anomalies  - especially at larger airports. This is due to p3d's ai engine in most part, and partly due to possible AFCAD design faults.

Olivers Hybrid mode would have been a perfect solution if there was only a good info stream to feed the program

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