September 29, 20205 yr I have a feeling the FSX devs hand built most of their airports from real world charts through judging lengths and distances by eye. Taxiway names all seem to have been correct for 2006. Many of the airports I've tweaked in ADE have looked about right until you drop in a satellite ground shot to align the building and apron footprints. It's very disheartening when you realise what looks like a quick edit actually means starting from scratch! Most of the Portuguese airports in FSX/P3D are pretty much spot on as far as the layout goes, even today. I reckon different areas of the world were subcontracted to different devs with different levels of pride in their work. I'm a bit surprised Asobo couldn't automate taxiway naming. Maybe there's no reliable 3D-points-in-space dataset to work from as there is for runways, navaids and waypoints? i7-10700K; RTX 2070 Super; 16GB; P3Dv4.5HF3 & MSFS2020.
September 29, 20205 yr @HighBypass this ^^^^ is what I was talking about in our other thread My MSFS 2020 repaints: Flightsim.to - Profile of HStreet Working on MSFS 2024 versions.
September 29, 20205 yr 14 hours ago, mikeklimek said: Yeah, this totally kills the immersion. FSX was my first flight sim and one of the simple joys was successfully navigating the taxiways with a real life chart in hand. Even in FSX/P3D I have never paid much attention to the in-game taxiway signs. For me, they are often difficult to read when the aircraft is in motion, and especially so at night. MSFS signs (even at the custom airports where the signs are correct) are even harder to read. As long as I have a real-world taxi chart to reference, and if the physical layout of the simulator taxiways is the same as the real airport (which is typically the case in MSFS), I have had no issues navigating. I usually use the external tail oriented spot view when taxiing. For US airports, I use Foreflight in conjunction with XMapsy, which is a GPS connector which will show the aircraft current position on the Foreflight official airport taxi chart, and works with MSFS and P3D. A similar system is actually used in many r/w aircraft. The Dassault Falcon aircraft at the company I work for have all current Jeppesen charts stored electronically, and the airport taxi chart can be displayed on the MFD, with the aircraft’s current position (from the GPS) overlaid on the chart. I’m not saying that there should not be a worldwide correction of the MSFS taxi signs if there is a workable way to update them en masse using published data, but even lacking that (currently), has been no impediment for me. Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
September 29, 20205 yr 58 minutes ago, lambourne said: m a bit surprised Asobo couldn't automate taxiway naming. Maybe there's no reliable 3D-points-in-space dataset to work from as there is for runways, navaids and waypoints? That is exactly the problem. There is no standardized database for taxiways as there is for runways. The AIRAC data that companies like Jeppesen or NavBlue provide will contain specific details about runways - the lat/lon coordinates of the runway thresholds, the runways’ magnetic heading and the runway width, but there is no data for taxiway locations or numbering. The airport charts and taxiway layouts and numbering are based on data supplied directly by each individual airport operator to companies like Jeppesen. Edited September 29, 20205 yr by JRBarrett Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
September 29, 20205 yr 21 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said: The process should become smoother once Airport Design Editor (ADE) for MSFS is released. What is this voodoo editor you speak of?
September 29, 20205 yr Just now, DPSimulation said: What is this voodoo editor you speak of? Airport Design Editor (ADE). It is “the” tool for creating/modifying airports in FSX and P3D, and efforts are underway to make it compatible with MSFS. https://www.scruffyducksoftware.com/airport-design-editor Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
September 29, 20205 yr I think that a higher priority should be towards removing taxi and rwy edge lights off the taxiways and runway, that's a real problem. Any real pilots that noted this issue? 747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning.
September 29, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, JRBarrett said: Airport Design Editor (ADE). It is “the” tool for creating/modifying airports in FSX and P3D, and efforts are underway to make it compatible with MSFS. https://www.scruffyducksoftware.com/airport-design-editor Thankyou. That would be a fantastic little tool for me to play with.
September 29, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, killthespam said: I think that a higher priority should be towards removing taxi and rwy edge lights off the taxiways and runway, that's a real problem. Any real pilots that noted this issue? Yes, I have noted this at many airports. ADE will cause a similar effect in FSX/PSD if one is not careful when placing taxiways - especially where taxiways intersect, or join ramps. It’s easy enough to avoid when hand-editing taxiways in a program like ADE. The problem in MSFS is probably caused by the fact that most airports were primarily created by an automated process with minimal “human” QC or touch-up afterwards. Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
September 29, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, JRBarrett said: The problem in MSFS is probably caused by the fact that most airports were primarily created by an automated process with minimal “human” QC or touch-up afterwards. I think that’s basically true for just about everything in MSFS...
September 29, 20205 yr This is just at 2 airports, you can find this issue at all airports, even more severe where you need to avoid taxi or rwy lights when you have to taxi in or out, so taxiway names (id) should be a lower priority. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aoh69SRZks5uL1Qgzj9VpCkiEekpveye/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBje38MEcwAQxTbFD0ujmi9KqerXykpi/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xtbfJdcnarNu3bwBYW6I6DqpgnxiaH4o/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b-vcdeQhS39rroyHLI3spKMDxEDcqfBc/view?usp=sharing 747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning.
September 29, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, killthespam said: This is just at 2 airports, you can find this issue at all airports, even more severe where you need to avoid taxi or rwy lights when you have to taxi in or out, so taxiway names (id) should be a lower priority. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aoh69SRZks5uL1Qgzj9VpCkiEekpveye/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBje38MEcwAQxTbFD0ujmi9KqerXykpi/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xtbfJdcnarNu3bwBYW6I6DqpgnxiaH4o/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b-vcdeQhS39rroyHLI3spKMDxEDcqfBc/view?usp=sharing Taxi lights do not cause a crash. I just ignore them. One airport had taxiway lights right down the middle of the taxiway and numerous cases I have found them crossing runways. They just need to release a full SDK since Asobo has moved on to DLC as opposed to fixing very broken issues with the base platform.
September 29, 20205 yr Author 1 hour ago, JRBarrett said: As long as I have a real-world taxi chart to reference, and if the physical layout of the simulator taxiways is the same as the real airport (which is typically the case in MSFS), I have had no issues navigating. My problem comes when ATC tells me to go somewhere via taxiways a/b/c/etc. OK, which one is A? It probably ain't the one labelled A on the chart. 😉I find myself not using ATC much because of that (and a few other things mostly involving approaches that bring me in way too high). Ryzen 7 7800X3D/B650 X AX | 5090 | 32gig | Win10 | Pimax Crystal Light
September 29, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, KenG said: Taxi lights do not cause a crash. I just ignore them. One airport had taxiway lights right down the middle of the taxiway and numerous cases I have found them crossing runways. Very clever and professional. I'm speechless to see this, so many broken items with this software and people are OK or just "ignore" the issues. 747 Captain for the last 39 years, and still learning.
September 29, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, eslader said: My problem comes when ATC tells me to go somewhere via taxiways a/b/c/etc. OK, which one is A? It probably ain't the one labelled A on the chart. 😉I find myself not using ATC much because of that (and a few other things mostly involving approaches that bring me in way too high). Yes, the default taxi names will be a problem when using the default ATC - I had forgotten about that, as I don’t use it. Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
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