After a 6 year hiatus from flight simming, I'm going to get back into it with Flight Simulator 2020.

Having handed down my gaming computer to my son a few years ago, I have gone out and bought a new system with the following specs:

• Intel Core i9 10850KA CPU
• Gigabyte AORUS RGB 32GB (4x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz Memory
• Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 GAMING OC 10GB Video Card
• Gigabyte AORUS 240 ARGB 120mm LCD Display All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
• Gigabyte Z490 GAMING X AX LGA 1200 ATX Motherboard
• Gigabyte 1TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD GP-GSM2NE3100TNTD
• Seagate ST2000DM008 2TB BarraCuda 3.5" 7200RPM SATA3 Desktop Hard Drive
• Deepcool CL500 4F AP Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX Case
• Gigabyte GP-P750GM 750W 80+ Gold Fully Modular Power Supply
• Microsoft Windows 10 Home 32/64-bit USB Drive - Retail Box

which, from reading here and other forums, should put me at 30 FPS+ in most areas at 4K res. Let me know if I've missed something or something is imbalanced.

I may overclock, but only to the extent that slightly higher than stock voltages will allow as I'm old enough now to dislike noisy computers! I may also venture into VR, as the immersion would be fantastic, and might start by seeing if I can get my PSVR operational with this title.

I'm looking forward to flying once again!

 

 

My gaming rig is 5 years old, and I'm also looking for an all new PC to handle the FS2020 Beast.

Can you tell me what company built for you?

56 minutes ago, overspeed3 said:

My gaming rig is 5 years old, and I'm also looking for an all new PC to handle the FS2020 Beast.

Can you tell me what company built for you?

I'm in Australia and I bought it from a company called Mwave. I normally build systems myself but this was the only way to get hold of a 3080 card for the next month or two at least - there is no stock of the individual 3080 card anywhere in Oz ATM.

Thanks RESET.   I'm in the U.S. and I doubt Mwave would ship that far😕    Good luck though in all your future flights... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

20 hours ago, RESET MCP ALT said:

After a 6 year hiatus from flight simming, I'm going to get back into it with Flight Simulator 2020.

RESET MCP ALT welcome back, that's a handle I haven't seen in a while.

You might consider upgrading that power supply a little, depending on your uses (usb devices, clocking, future vid cards, etc.).  Not that 750 is bad.  It's all right.  We flight sim people tend to push our psu's so that's the only reason I mentioned it.  And although I don't know your builder typically the cost of upgrading a psu is very inexpensive vs. other components.

6 hours ago, Mace said:

RESET MCP ALT welcome back, that's a handle I haven't seen in a while.

You might consider upgrading that power supply a little, depending on your uses (usb devices, clocking, future vid cards, etc.).  Not that 750 is bad.  It's all right.  We flight sim people tend to push our psu's so that's the only reason I mentioned it.  And although I don't know your builder typically the cost of upgrading a psu is very inexpensive vs. other components.

Thanks for the welcome back Mace!

Re power supply, the system I bought came with that size preconfigured and the company was only selling the 3080 video card in that specific configuration, otherwise 3080 cards are not available for the forseeable future due to shortages from either this or any other company in Australia I have been monitoring. In other words, it's take it or leave it if I want a 3080 system anytime in the next few months.

Nonetheless, 588W is what PC part picker estimates as its max power consumption (stock of course) so 750W should be adequate given that I am not planning on pushing it too hard beyond stock, if at all. Also, from what I have seen CPUs seem to run at 50% or less load at 4K, so there's another 50W+ it shouldn't be using when running this title.

Thanks for the tip in any case and I will keep an eye on the PSU if any stability issues arise or if I upgrade my video card to something even more power hungry in future.

My new system has been working great. I achieved a mild but completely stable OC on CPU, video and RAM, all at stock voltages with heat and noise levels very acceptable under FS2020 load.

I'm running FS2020 at 4K Ultra settings on a 75" TV and am getting very good results, with FPS normally around 40+ and spectacular visuals, so I'm pretty happy with that. I am dropping to 30 FPS in scenery dense areas and heavy weather, but for what is being shown on screen I am very impressed, especially with the clouds. Interestingly, if I reduce screen resolution or graphics quality settings, the FPS only marginally improves so I run it fully cranked and it seems a lot smoother than older FS games at the same FPS. 30 FPS is completely fine and any more is a bonus.

I was surprised that some of my old hardware worked too. I got rid of my CH yoke and pedals a while back but I still have a MS sidewinder precision pro joystick and, despite having to map the axis and buttons myself, it works just fine. I also dusted off my TrackIR 3, loaded my system up with the latest TrackIR software and, lo and behold, it works better than ever in FS2020!

Graphics aside, some of the game play elements are a step backwards from my FSX/FS9 days. ATC is all over the place and is downright dangerous with some of the clearances it gives. Stock planes fly pretty well but the controls are way too sensitive and maintaining centerline on the runway with any sort of cross wind is like a drunken stumble. Nonetheless, I do recognise this game is a work in progress and I look forward to future improvements in these areas.

On 19/01/2021 at 3:07 AM, RESET MCP ALT said:

• Gigabyte GP-P750GM 750W 80+ Gold Fully Modular Power Supply

 

Just to mention, 750 watts is the minimum wattage recommended by Nvidia for the RTX 3080. I have a 3090 and went for 1000 watts. 

 

"Nonetheless, 588W is what PC part picker estimates as its max power consumption (stock of course) so 750W should be adequate given that I am not planning on pushing it too hard beyond stock, if at all. "

Ignore PC Part Picker... pay attention to what Nvidia recomend, its their product. Personally, I woulldn't be comfortable with the minimum recommended wattage. 

It's also an overclocked 3080 with GPU Boost 2 which will push the card to higher clocks if there's thermal headroom.

You seem to be stable with your new system, but if any instability does arise, you know one possible culprit. Especially if you keep the system a while, as the PSU capacitors age.

Edited January 29, 20215 yr by martin-w

13 hours ago, RESET MCP ALT said:

My new system has been working great. I achieved a mild but completely stable OC on CPU, video and RAM, all at stock voltages with heat and noise levels very acceptable under FS2020 load.

I'm running FS2020 at 4K Ultra settings on a 75" TV and am getting very good results, with FPS normally around 40+ and spectacular visuals, so I'm pretty happy with that. I am dropping to 30 FPS in scenery dense areas and heavy weather, but for what is being shown on screen I am very impressed, especially with the clouds. Interestingly, if I reduce screen resolution or graphics quality settings, the FPS only marginally improves so I run it fully cranked and it seems a lot smoother than older FS games at the same FPS. 30 FPS is completely fine and any more is a bonus.

I was surprised that some of my old hardware worked too. I got rid of my CH yoke and pedals a while back but I still have a MS sidewinder precision pro joystick and, despite having to map the axis and buttons myself, it works just fine. I also dusted off my TrackIR 3, loaded my system up with the latest TrackIR software and, lo and behold, it works better than ever in FS2020!

Graphics aside, some of the game play elements are a step backwards from my FSX/FS9 days. ATC is all over the place and is downright dangerous with some of the clearances it gives. Stock planes fly pretty well but the controls are way too sensitive and maintaining centerline on the runway with any sort of cross wind is like a drunken stumble. Nonetheless, I do recognise this game is a work in progress and I look forward to future improvements in these areas.

I'm on P3D v5 but also have an 10850K with a 2080Ti 11Gb and 16GB of Gskill PC3600 RAM. This CPU runs great. What kind of OC have you achieved? I turned off HT and have all 10 cores running at 5.1Ghz with temps around 60°C to 65°C. My Asus TUF Z490 comes out of the box with some of the voltages ridiculously high. Even without OCing it, she was running at 85°C+ when I fired up P3D. I locked Vcore to 1.34v and she settled right down into the 40s-60s. At 5.1Ghz, I'm getting well over 40FPS sitting at FlyTampa KBOS at night with the weather set to foggy with heavy snow.  The temps below are with 100% air cooling. I think 5.2Ghz is well within reach.

    Core Speed        5101.2 MHz
    Multiplier x Bus Speed    51.0 x 100.0 MHz
    Temperature 0        62 degC (143 degF) (Package)
    Temperature 1        62 degC (143 degF) (Core #0)
    Temperature 2        47 degC (116 degF) (Core #1)
    Temperature 3        51 degC (123 degF) (Core #2)
    Temperature 4        50 degC (122 degF) (Core #3)
    Temperature 5        47 degC (116 degF) (Core #4)
    Temperature 6        47 degC (116 degF) (Core #5)
    Temperature 7        44 degC (111 degF) (Core #6)
    Temperature 8        45 degC (113 degF) (Core #7)
    Temperature 9        45 degC (113 degF) (Core #8)
    Temperature 10        44 degC (111 degF) (Core #9)

    Clock Speed 0        5101.22 MHz (Core #0)
    Clock Speed 1        5101.22 MHz (Core #1)
    Clock Speed 2        5101.22 MHz (Core #2)
    Clock Speed 3        5101.22 MHz (Core #3)
    Clock Speed 4        5101.22 MHz (Core #4)
    Clock Speed 5        5101.22 MHz (Core #5)
    Clock Speed 6        5101.22 MHz (Core #6)
    Clock Speed 7        5101.22 MHz (Core #7)
    Clock Speed 8        5101.22 MHz (Core #8)
    Clock Speed 9        5101.22 MHz (Core #9)

 

Edited January 29, 20215 yr by MDFlier

13 hours ago, martin-w said:

You seem to be stable with your new system, but if any instability does arise, you know one possible culprit. Especially if you keep the system a while, as the PSU capacitors age.

Thanks, I will definitely be keeping an eye on stability and will up-spec the PSU if any troubles arise.

9 hours ago, MDFlier said:

I'm on P3D v5 but also have an 10850K with a 2080Ti 11Gb and 16GB of Gskill PC3600 RAM. This CPU runs great. What kind of OC have you achieved? I turned off HT and have all 10 cores running at 5.1Ghz with temps around 60°C to 65°C. My Asus TUF Z490 comes out of the box with some of the voltages ridiculously high. Even without OCing it, she was running at 85°C+ when I fired up P3D. I locked Vcore to 1.34v and she settled right down into the 40s-60s. At 5.1Ghz, I'm getting well over 40FPS sitting at FlyTampa KBOS at night with the weather set to foggy with heavy snow.  The temps below are with 100% air cooling. I think 5.2Ghz is well within reach.

    Core Speed        5101.2 MHz
    Multiplier x Bus Speed    51.0 x 100.0 MHz
    Temperature 0        62 degC (143 degF) (Package)
    Temperature 1        62 degC (143 degF) (Core #0)
    Temperature 2        47 degC (116 degF) (Core #1)
    Temperature 3        51 degC (123 degF) (Core #2)
    Temperature 4        50 degC (122 degF) (Core #3)
    Temperature 5        47 degC (116 degF) (Core #4)
    Temperature 6        47 degC (116 degF) (Core #5)
    Temperature 7        44 degC (111 degF) (Core #6)
    Temperature 8        45 degC (113 degF) (Core #7)
    Temperature 9        45 degC (113 degF) (Core #8)
    Temperature 10        44 degC (111 degF) (Core #9)

    Clock Speed 0        5101.22 MHz (Core #0)
    Clock Speed 1        5101.22 MHz (Core #1)
    Clock Speed 2        5101.22 MHz (Core #2)
    Clock Speed 3        5101.22 MHz (Core #3)
    Clock Speed 4        5101.22 MHz (Core #4)
    Clock Speed 5        5101.22 MHz (Core #5)
    Clock Speed 6        5101.22 MHz (Core #6)
    Clock Speed 7        5101.22 MHz (Core #7)
    Clock Speed 8        5101.22 MHz (Core #8)
    Clock Speed 9        5101.22 MHz (Core #9)

 

5.1GHz was the overclock I was looking for, but I have only managed 4.9GHz with HT on and mobo determined voltages and it gets up to 73C max. When I tried 5.1GHz the CPU temp shot up to 100C within seconds and thermal throttled back to 4.9GHz, but I am pretty sure the voltage was something silly like 1.45V or even 1.5V.

As you suggest, I will give manual voltages a go and play with HT to see if I can do any better and will report back here.

I gave overclocking another go and, with manual voltage, I can get 5.0GHz at 1.300V Vcore, which runs at 75C full load HT off and 89C full load HT on.

I can also get 5.1GHz with HT off (but not on) and 1.320V at around 82C full load but from what I have read of FS2020 it generally runs smoother with HT on and the OCD in me likes even numbers, so I am going to stick with 5.0Ghz HT on for now.

At 5.0GHz, HT on I am seeing CPU temp range between 55-60C in-game FS2020, which is perfectly fine IMO.

Thanks for the tips MD-Flier. You got me another 100MHz OC!

You're welcome.

One other item to check if you want to avoid heat issues is the 'Enhanced Multi-Core Performance' setting. This is the one MB manufacturers use to take great liberty with the CPU turbo settings. If you turn it off, you're basically working with the turbo settings spec'd by Intel. With it set to Auto, it applies Gigabyte's turbo settings, which are designed to make it benchmark better than other boards using the vast majority of the CPUs out there instead of optimizing the settings for the particular CPU that you plugged into it. They usually push the upper boundaries of the Intel spec, and are sometimes too extreme. Turn it to 'Enabled' which removes the turbo power limits (Check your Gigabyte manual to see if it works the same way).Then, play with the other settings so you have more control over what is going on. Might give you another degree or two. 

Edited January 30, 20215 yr by MDFlier

17 hours ago, RESET MCP ALT said:

5.1GHz was the overclock I was looking for, but I have only managed 4.9GHz with HT on and mobo determined voltages and it gets up to 73C max. When I tried 5.1GHz the CPU temp shot up to 100C within seconds and thermal throttled back to 4.9GHz, but I am pretty sure the voltage was something silly like 1.45V or even 1.5V.

As you suggest, I will give manual voltages a go and play with HT to see if I can do any better and will report back here.

 

Yeah, 1.5 is way too high. Not surprised it throttled. Its pretty much the absolute max voltage Intel state, a voltage absolutely nobody without exotic cooling could handle. Quite a few boards seem to set bonkers voltages on Auto. 

Edited January 30, 20215 yr by martin-w

5 hours ago, MDFlier said:

One other item to check if you want to avoid heat issues is the 'Enhanced Multi-Core Performance' setting.

I did have a play with that one and it didn't seem to make any difference to what OC or temps I could achieve. Mind you, I was only toggling between Auto and Enabled, so perhaps Auto is setting it as Enabled on my motherboard. I might try again later today and set it to disabled. I'm currently trying, and mostly succeeding, in getting PSVR working in proper VR with this game.