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It does make sense, but you are conflating 2 different issues. versions - Everyone needs the "standard" $60 version to play the game. If you want the "deluxe" or "premium" features, you basically buy those upgrades separately and then install them. Works the same for GP and non GP installations. (You can buy them at the same time for 1 price, or you can buy standard first and add the others later in 2 or 3 separate purchases - your choice.) Installation "inside" of GP vs "outside" of GP. I have never used GP, but I think what has happened is that your purchased version of MSFS has not been activated as "standalone" software on your PC. You installed it while using GP, so I the current installation on your machine thinks it is only valid while you are signed into GP. Press the Windows key and then type "store". "Microsoft Store" should appear at the top of the start menu. Click it. If it opens up with you signed in to an account - look at the top left corner for a grey circle with the outline of a person on it (or possibly an avatar if you added one to your MS Store account). Click the 3 dots "..." to the right of that and then click on "My Library". See if MSFS is listed there. "Install" or "Launch" as appropriate. This should get it working outside of GP.

Kudos, sir. I've only got 3 more years until my 4th decade.

I cringed when I pulled the trigger on a 2080Ti at $1k back in March, 2019. In hindsight, it was a purchase made just in time. I'm sure the 30xxs are much better, but having never had a "high end" GPU prior to that I figured it was about time. I think the "best" one I had before that was a GTX1660 superclocked 6GB. For now, I'm happy.

Are you a canned air salesman? lol. That really was intended to be funny. I hope you aren't offended. Crucial's opinion really doesn't sway mine. It's not a big deal. I think we can agree that directed airflow is the correct answer. Whether it's a chemical in a can, or a steady flow from a motor. Both work. Indoors or out, also no correct answer. I prefer out.

Canned air might work but I'm not a big fan of paying for air or generating empty cans so I try to avoid doing so whenever possible. I have a can of air sitting right next to me, but I only use it for light duty, like blowing the cat fur out of my mouse and keyboard. That 16oz can cost me $4.99. My shop vac is close by, never runs out of air, and has much better airflow. Not to mention that for $5 worth of electricity I will be able to clean out my computer for the rest of my time on Earth. I might recommend giving the CPU and GPU cooler areas some quick maintenance shots with the can every every couple of weeks after getting it back in shape with an initial shop vac deep clean. I guess that both would work and neither is technically correct. I did field service for 9 years. Putting the unit on the loading dock and hitting it with the back end of a vacuum cleaner was the fastest, most customer friendly way to get it done. They hated big clouds of dust inside of their buildings. So do I. Edit: After posting the above, I looked at the can of air sitting next to my desk. I noticed a bunch of cautions and warnings on it that I had never read. (Spoiler alert: YES - California residents are going to die if you use this product. The rest of you will be fine). The "can of air" ain't air. It is Difluoroethane. Here's what the NIH data sheet says regarding the "disposal" of Difluoroethane, "SRP: The most favorable course of action is to use an alternative chemical product with less inherent propensity for occupational harm/injury/toxicity or environmental contamination. Recycle any unused portion of the material for its approved use or return it to the manufacturer or supplier. Ultimate disposal of the chemical must consider: the material's impact on air quality; potential migration in soil or water; effects on animal and plant life; and conformance with environmental and public health regulations.". This is interesting, since the "proper" usage of a can of air requires the contents be released into the atmosphere. I believe that this will be my last can.

Try running the repair option on the uninstall screen in Windows Add/Remove applications.

Wow! You went from 84°C-89°C all the way down to 62°C-72°C? That is a much larger change than I had expected you to report back. I'm going to suggest that you do the same process for your entire computer. If you gained that much cooling on just your GPU, I suspect that there would also be benefit in the same for your entire computer. About once a year, I take my entire system out on the back porch and do the shop vac routine. I put the crevasse tool on the end of the hose to further concentrate the airflow. Pull the GPU since it's already cleaned. Take as many of the covers off of the case as possible. Blow the heck out of that sucker. Don't touch anything with the shop vac hose to prevent static discharge (try to keep at least 4-6" between the hose and any circuit boards and the ends of any loose cables so the sparks can't jump the gap between them). During the entire blowing out process, keep one hand on some bare metal on the case frame and use the other to move the hose. This will help keep the hose and the components as close as possible to the same potential, minimizing static discharge. Make sure that you get the CPU cooler fan and any heat sink fins just as you did with the GPU. Be certain to get all of the dust out of the power supply and case fans as well. For the P/S, mine has a bottom fan, so I stuff the shop vac nozzle right up against the P/S grill on the back of the computer next to the main power switch. The air goes in the back and blows all of the dust down and to the front (which faces inside the PC). Then, I get the nozzle right up on each case fan and keep the hose on it until it is clean. When you are done, it should look like a brand new PC. Since you have an older CPU, I'm thinking it may have been installed quite a while ago. There may be some benefit in removing your CPU and replacing the thermal compound. Use alcohol to thoroughly remove the old paste from the CPU and cooler if you do. If you'd have to run to the store or order new compound, I would just skip it for now. Keep it in mind as a (minor) possibility if you still have problems later on. Finally, when you are putting the GPU back in, look at the PCIe slot and visually verify that there are no dust bunnies or other debris in the actual slot before inserting the GPU. If the little fingers on the GPU card that make the connections in the PCIe slot look discolored or dull, try using a cotton swab soaked in alcohol to clean them up a bit. This whole process is free (unless you order a 6 pack of canned air from Amazon to do it) and should take less than 45 minutes start to finish. After you've done this, if you still have problems it will most iikely be a SW problem. At least you'll have peace of mind in knowing for sure that you are not working with a heat related problem.

The problem that we have here is that Avsim members are not "typical" users, even amongst the overall population of simmers. We strive to reproduce entire flights in their entirety using the proper numbers, correct procedures, and in the correct environment. We need to realize that large numbers of people that buy MSFS are going to be perfectly happy tooling around enjoying the scenery, which by their standards is absolutely fabulous even in the sims' current state. There are more people like that than we on Avsim think, and none of them come here. MSFS can be a huge success without us and I predict it will be a very big seller on xbox. For us, our time will come. MSFS will eventually facilitate the mechanisms required for the 3PDs to add in the missing pieces that take it from 'almost sim' to 'full sim'. MS & Asobo aren't going to do that. "Full sim" is just too darn complicated, time consuming, and frustrating for the masses. MS & Asobo are not going to focus on adding functionality that would further frustrate the non-pilot, non-simmer. Why spend time and energy adding things that would in effect, make the product less attractive to the users they are targeting? All of that being said, the key for us is patience, grasshopper. After the sim has been released on xbox, and most 'regular' PC (non-simmer) users are happy, then and only then will we see MS & Asobo start addressing the deficiencies that we all see, but regular users don't care about. The platform needs to be installed, stabilized, and able to support itself first, and then we'll start seeing what we want appearing in the sim. If they had launched the perfect simulator our very small community would have been thrilled, but the title would have gotten shellacked in the post launch reviews for releasing an overly complicated game that most people couldn't get airborne for 5 minutes in. It would have died a fiery death in a couple of months. Our user base simply cannot support the sim on our own. There aren't enough of us. So like it or not, we have to back a back seat until the masses are satisfied before we can get the cherry put on top of our simulator. Until then, I'll enjoy MSFS as much as I can. I'm having a blast in developer mode. I took some time to learn Blender. I've been playing around with textures, lighting, animation, etc. and I've been having great success. I've been reading all of the dev forums learning as much as I can. Yes, there are issues. There is also progress. 3PDs will eventually have what they need to add what is lacking. They're figuring it out. Every day, there are new "Hey... I figured out how to..." posts. The SDK is evolving. Good things are coming. P3D v5 is running really well on my system so when I'm in need of a "real' flight, I can get my fix. Overall, I think we're in a good place. It is definitely going to get better. I hope xbox sales go straight through the troposphere. That will ensure that we get what we need, which is time for the sim to develop and it will.

Have you pulled the GPU and cleaned out the fans and heatsink fins? It sounds to me like your GPU might be shutting down as suggested previously. Pull the GPU, take it outside, and hit it with the exhaust side of a shop vac. Get it looking as good as new and try it again..

Something as simple as lowering some of the voltages in BIOS may lower your temperatures as well. My Asus TUF Gaming z490 MB has some ridiculously (in my opinion) high default voltages. I've been running my 10850K locked at 5.0Ghz full time for months. I am using a Coolermaster Hyper 212 cooler with a Noctua fan upgrade. My temps stay in the mid 60s most of the time. If you can find the setting for vCore see where it is. I'm running 1.33v at the moment, but I'm still stepping it down .05v at a time trying to find the lowest stable voltage. I stay at each voltage for 3-4 weeks to make sure it is stable before lowering it again.

Alt-F4 is the standard way to close all Windows applications. All it does is place a WM_QUIT message into the simulator's message queue so the sim can process it using the same routine that processes the WM_QUIT message generated by the 'quit to desktop' button. It is a perfectly safe shortcut to use on all Windows applications.

Great update. Installed all 3 parts in about 40 minutes. She fired right up and runs fantastic. No fuss, no muss.

Well that is true, but what is wrong with that? It works great.

I think there's a bonus for lancing them. lol.