Can anyone explain to me how AIRAC data and approaches work in MSFS compared to Navigraph please? I'd prefer to stick with the stock data but I don't understand how it's missing so many approaches when its been updated to 2106 lately in WU6. Am I missing something? It's possible, I'm fairly new to this.

KASE with Navigraph AIRAC 1801 (which I think is quite old) in littlenavmap has:
Various SID 33's and these approaches..
RNAV-F, VORDME-C, Localizer-E, RNAV-Z 15, Localizer 15

MSFS with the latest 2106 update hasn't got VORDME-C, RNAV-Z 15 or Localizer 15.

YMMB Navigraph AIRAC 1801 in littlenavmap has Approaches NDB-A, RNAV-Z 17L and RNAV-Z 35R.

In MSFS it has no approaches at all.

Thanks!

Carl.

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by manageablebits

Generally the data MSFS uses is incomplete.

IIRC the data comes from Navblue (part of Airbus) and so you would expect it to be comprehensive but I'm guessing that might have cost too much to include in the sim for free so we get a cut down version.

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by Matchstick

Someone here, I don't remember who said, IIRC, is that there is a mismatch between the airports and the Navblue data. All the data is there, it's just not hooking up properly.

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

It feels like something that should be a priority to me?  Asobo announcing AIRAC 2106 in the latest update is pretty meaningless if there are LOTS of approaches missing.

I have wondered this myself. Used to be when you had Navigraph and updated it every month, unless you updated the sim, pretty soon the data in Navigraph wouldn't match the sim, runways, frequencies etc. I wonder what happens now to people that have Navigraph in MSFS, are they going to run into the same issue, where the Navigraph data doesn't match the sim? I use Avliasoft EFB for my frequencies and Nav points, and EFB develops it's data base directly from the sim. If it is in the sim, I see it in EFB. 

11 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I have wondered this myself. Used to be when you had Navigraph and updated it every month, unless you updated the sim, pretty soon the data in Navigraph wouldn't match the sim, runways, frequencies etc. I wonder what happens now to people that have Navigraph in MSFS, are they going to run into the same issue, where the Navigraph data doesn't match the sim? I use Avliasoft EFB for my frequencies and Nav points, and EFB develops it's data base directly from the sim. If it is in the sim, I see it in EFB. 

Navigraph works fine from what I've heard around here.

Just now, Tuskin38 said:

Navigraph works fine from what I've heard around here.

What is work fine? If there is an ILS Freq or approach or star in Navigraph, does it match what it is MSFS? If not, then what good is it? 

8 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What is work fine? If there is an ILS Freq or approach or star in Navigraph, does it match what it is MSFS? If not, then what good is it? 

Navigraph has it's own nav data you can download that will override/supplement the default data, it will add the missing data.

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

10 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Navigraph has it's own nav data you can download that will override/supplement the default data, it will add the missing data.

I understand that. Does it all fix the sim, so that the data and the sim match each other?  In other worlds, if Navigraph says there is an ILS on runway 17 at 109.3, but there is no ILS on that runway and frequency, then you are in for a surprise when you try and fly that approach. 

15 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I understand that. Does it all fix the sim, so that the data and the sim match each other?  In other worlds, if Navigraph says there is an ILS on runway 17 at 109.3, but there is no ILS on that runway and frequency, then you are in for a surprise when you try and fly that approach. 

I believe Navigraph adds the missing ILSs. But you'd have to ask someone who has it. I'm not currently subbed at the moment so I don't have access. But I was using it back in January.

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

11 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

I believe Navigraph adds the missing ILSs. But you'd have to ask someone who has it. I'm not currently subbed at the moment so I don't have access. But I was using it back in January.

When I used to update P3D with Navigraph all the time, there was someone in France that would also update all the Navaids, ILS, etc, in P3D. So I would run that update every couple of months and it would match the Navigraph. I don't think there is anyway to do that in MSFS 2020. 

here is his website. https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html

47 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

When I used to update P3D with Navigraph all the time, there was someone in France that would also update all the Navaids, ILS, etc, in P3D. So I would run that update every couple of months and it would match the Navigraph. I don't think there is anyway to do that in MSFS 2020. 

here is his website. https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html

https://forum.navigraph.com/t/navigraph-navdata-beta/133

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, manageablebits said:

It feels like something that should be a priority to me?  Asobo announcing AIRAC 2106 in the latest update is pretty meaningless if there are LOTS of approaches missing.

I thought WT was also handling the FPM for ASOBO?

1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

I believe Navigraph adds the missing ILSs. But you'd have to ask someone who has it. I'm not currently subbed at the moment so I don't have access. But I was using it back in January.

I thought I heard that if the airport (FS scenery) had a change that the navdata didn't recognize it would break the link for all the SIDs/STARs and APPRs.  They (WT) were talking about it today in their discord I think.

Edited June 30, 20214 yr by Jeff Nielsen

We're aware of the gaps in the NavBlue data (which we ingest completely to build the sim navdata, we don't leave any out). Part of closing that gap was including the FAA public navdata, as the US area was missing the most approaches, and that data is complete. We are also looking at other sources for augmenting other regions like we did for the US, but as the rest of the world is basically privatized authorities, it becomes a licensing question and process.

As for KASE, we currently don't load circling approaches due to the inability to represent them in the current BGL format, and RNAV 15-Z is actually a FAA special approach, so is not in the data.

-Matt