14 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

And I don't want to rock the apple cart but "blade element theory" is actually one of these fancy-sounding things that has already been surpassed.

Something which Asobo are claiming to be using.  But from what I've seen, there are many areas where it's lacking in MSFS.

14 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

The question is how long LR as a company can remain profitable when faced with a herculean engineering effort.  Given the two value propositions, why would I choose X-Plane?

Again, this has been discussed ad nauseum.  There are people who like MSFS.  There are people who like X-Plane.  Obviously, more people like MSFS, but this is the beauty of freedom of choice.  I prefer X-Plane.  As do many others.  You may prefer MSFS.  Great.  That's your choice.  But your choice is no more valid than mine.  

Developers.  2 developers from X-Plane have moved to MSFS.  It was 3, but 1 tried it, and hated it.  (His words).  Again, it looks awesome.  But is extremely limiting.  And please don't mention the Fenix A320.  I don't want to discuss another developers add ons and how they created them, behind their back.

The bottom line is, X-Plane has been profitable ever since it was made public.  Even when up against MSFS.  And to top it off, with a tenth of the staff that Asobo has.  Maybe even less.  Talk about an achievement.

14 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

And as crazy as this may sound, I am rooting for LR ... but I am realistic.  I don't think this most recent push from MS can be ignored.

I'm not sure how long you've been in the flight sim arena for, but I've seen this comment more times than I care to remember.  

10 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

XP12 won't have anywhere near the graphics fidelity of the engine that is driving MSFS2020.

How do you know?  Very little has been said or shown about it. 

It won't have the streamed ortho that MSFS has, but after the latest Microsoft server/activation mess, I certainly don't want to depend on anything that is online.

10 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

But unless LR can hire an extra 1,000+ engineers and find a favorable cloud streaming contract, it isn't possible.

This doesn't make sense.  Asobo have something between 250-350 staff working on MSFS.  Where did this 1000+ number come from?

Edited July 26, 20214 yr by GoranM

6 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

XP12 won't have anywhere near the graphics fidelity of the engine that is driving MSFS2020.

I'm in this field.  Mark my words.  

And note I'm not happy about it, it means less competition.

But unless LR can hire an extra 1,000+ engineers and find a favorable cloud streaming contract, it isn't possible.

Edit: Note with this comment I am including everyone from Microsoft to Asobo, to Blackshark AI to Bing Maps, to Azure.

There is a LOT of engineering behind this.  LR is well aware of this.  I'm not sure what happens now.

I am not as pessimistic as you. XP11 can, at a cost, be made to look acceptable with the likes of OrbX and X-Enviro etc etc. But the downside is the crippling of FPS to the point where it becomes unusable. That's what I mean by performance.

Just now, jarmstro said:

I am not as pessimistic as you. XP11 can, at a cost, be made to look acceptable with the likes of OrbX and X-Enviro etc etc. But the downside is the crippling of FPS to the point where it becomes unusable. That's what I mean by performance.

This is an incredibly absurd argument, sorry.

In order for XP11 to look "acceptable" I have to have enough computer knowledge to seek out and find specific satellite overlays?

Or just "press start" and have the entire planet?

Let's be realistic here.

4 minutes ago, GoranM said:

It won't have the streamed ortho that MSFS has, but after the latest Microsoft server/activation mess, I certainly don't want to depend on anything that is online.

To be honest in 11 months I've only had one instance where the server went down and it was only for a few hours.

MSFS vs X-Plane

Proceed with caution. 

1 minute ago, jarmstro said:

To be honest in 11 months I've only had one instance where the server went down and it was only for a few hours.

There was a huge outage just last week.  It's all over the forums.  For a company like Microsoft, with a market value of over $1 trillion, I expect back ups to the back ups.

And no, in 12 years, I have never had an issue with X-Plane activation.

Edited July 26, 20214 yr by GoranM

4 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

This is an incredibly absurd argument, sorry.

 

Well it wasn't really an argument. More like grasping at straws.😀 

1 minute ago, GoranM said:

There was a huge outage just last week.  It's all over the forums.

HUUUUUGE! 

Come on man. This is really getting absurd.

5 minutes ago, GoranM said:

There was a huge outage just last week.  It's all over the forums.  For a company like Microsoft, with a market value of over $1 trillion, I expect back ups to the back ups.

Not for me there wasn't? Not a thing. And I use it every day. Maybe it was just in the US?

But I did get a Vulkan Device Loss CTD when I changed my X-Vision preset in XP11.😀

Edited July 26, 20214 yr by jarmstro

Ok.  There was an outage.  I'll leave out the huge, just for you.

But my point still stands.  For a trillion dollar company like Microsoft, I don't want outages...AT ALL.

Is that less absurd for you?  Does it pass your "zero absurdity" protocol?

Edited July 26, 20214 yr by GoranM

Just now, GoranM said:

MSFS vs X-Plane

Proceed with caution. 

With valid discussions from experts in the field.

Don't close this one down, it's important.  I can back-up my credentials.

I became a professional pilot after learning on this.

Yes, it's "Microsoft".

2 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

Don't close this one down, it's important.  I can back-up my credentials.

These threads tend to get closed often.  

3 minutes ago, Gulfstream said:

I became a professional pilot after learning on this.

I thought you were a software engineer?!  😕

Just now, GoranM said:

I thought you were a software engineer?!  😕

I lost my medical.

Ouch.

4 minutes ago, GoranM said:

These threads tend to get closed often.  

I thought you were a software engineer?!  😕

Just close it.

The funny thing is I can 100% verify what I've said. 

I am a commercial pilot, I do have a degree in Aeronautical Science, I am a senior software engineer and I do know a lot about these mysterious "lighting engines".

I do question my sanity trying to discuss flight simulation (of all things) online in a rational debate.

21 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Ok.  There was an outage.  I'll leave out the huge, just for you.

But my point still stands.  For a trillion dollar company like Microsoft, I don't want outages...AT ALL.

Is that less absurd for you?  Does it pass your "zero absurdity" protocol?

Tell me about the company that offers 100% availability, please?