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Abysmal Perfomance of FSX in Vista

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HelloI just installed Vista Home Premium in a dual boot configuration and though that I would migrate my FSX to Vista.I uninstalled FSX from XP as I had problems two installations. So I installed FSX and deary me, what a mistake. It runs like a dog. it is basically a third of the performance I had in XP. My average framrate is now 7. Where I had about 21 before.Anybody have any Vista performance tips. I mean I know that early adopters normally suffer these kind og things, but I really thought that FSX was designed with Vista in mind. My Vista score is 4.8 due to my processor, everything else is 5.8 or 5.9Dell XPS 600Intel Pentium D 840 3.2GHz2 Gig RamnVidia 7800 GTX 256MB x 2 in SLI with 97.46 driversCreative X-Fi FatalityWD 10000 rpm Raptor 16MB 150GigAny advice?Thanks,Gian

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Clean install of Vista would be better... so would having more than one physical drive :)

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All Nvidia drivers for Vista are BETA. Try some different ones.Allcott

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With a dual-boot he already has a clean install of Vista. And a second drive is no better for FSX performance than a separate partition of the existing drive. My bet is that it's a driver problem. Vista has been a little slower with FSX for many of who've tried it, but not by that much.Doug

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Yep I have a clean install of Vista on a dedicated HDD, a WD Raptor 10000RPM.It could be driver related, I hope.Will play around with the display drivers.Thanks!!!Gian

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Don't bother. Nvidia's drivers for vista for ALL their cards are an utter joke right now. I get half the performance with fs9 in vista and 2/3 the performance in fsx. Not worth it until nvidia gets off their can and delivers a working driver.________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 @ 893Mhz | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 575/900 | Seagate 2x 320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

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The latest driver version 100.64 released on the 13th seems a vast improvement. I am getting 10 -12 fps flying through central London useing ultra-high settings in full screen mode. This may not sound much of an fps but stuttering has disappeared. That's with an Intel dual core extreme 6800 and an 8800GTS card.

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I have a feeling it's related to your video driver. In some ways, I have a slower machine then you (my drives are 7200 RPM), and I'm getting 30 fps - 40 fps in the air, and 15 fps - 25 fps on the ground at airports with a fair amount of stuff turned on. (I can check my display settings when I get home from the office)I have: Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.4Ghz), 2GB RAM (800Mhz 4-4-4-15), ASUS P5B Deluxe mother board, 2 Maxtor 300GB SATA drives (7200 RPM), VisionTek X1950 PCI-E video card (it's an ATI chip), Creative Audigy LS soundcard.I have a clean install of Windows Vista Home Premium. Only two apps on the machine FSX and Office 2007. When I first did my install everything worked great but frame rates we OK (about how they were under XP SP2, 15 - 25 range). This was with the newest ATI Vista drivers.I then switched to VisionTek's Vista driver (which I believe is older than the ATI driver, although the ATI drivers are supposed to work perfectly) and I saw a huge jump in fps.I can honestly say that everything in Vista and FSX is working better than ever - and I have a very clean machine.~ Jim

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I am very confident that fsx will run smoothly in vista once the drivers catch up. I am certainly not blaming the OS as I know that 90% of the slowness is from nvidia's hack drivers. I am not so sure that fs9 will ever run smoothly in vista though and my performance is just plain abysmal with it compared to fsx which is bad enough with the current state of the drivers.

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> With a dual-boot he already has a clean install of>Vista. And a second drive is no better for FSX performance>than a separate partition of the existing drive. My bet is>that it's a driver problem. Vista has been a little slower>with FSX for many of who've tried it, but not by that much.>>DougTwo hard drives is better than one hard driver.

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I think I am having a double whammy with drivers at the moment.The current nVidia drivers are not great at all and then I have the Beta Creative drivers for my soundcard.When I disabled my soundcard, performance seemed to have improved some as well.I just hope these two can get get decent drivers out soon.Cheers,Gian

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>All Nvidia drivers for Vista are BETA. Try some different>ones.>>>AllcottNot trueI use:System board:Nforce_680a_SLIWinvista32_15.01_english_WHQL.exeVideo:97.46_forceware_winvista_x86_international_WHQL.exeYou do know what WHQL means?100.59_winvista_32bit_english.exe is a beta driver.So don't go saying ALL NVidia drivers are beta!

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Unless it's a drunk driver in which case the hard drive could be the result of the screwdrivers.

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>>All Nvidia drivers for Vista are BETA. Try some different>>ones.>>>>>>Allcott>>Not true>I use:>System board:Nforce_680a_SLIWinvista32_15.01_english_WHQL.exe>>Video:97.46_forceware_winvista_x86_international_WHQL.exe>>You do know what WHQL means?>>100.59_winvista_32bit_english.exe is a beta driver.>>So don't go saying ALL NVidia drivers are beta!Regardless if the drivers are certified they are all beta, and that is giving them a compliment. I have a machine with a 7900gt that is using the 'certified' driver that can't even run any games because the driver is so bad. ALL of their vista drivers are crap regardless if they are listed as beta or certified. Do a little researching on the net and you will see. They are also being looked at for a class action suit because of this debacle. I would be running vista now as my primary OS if it weren't for the state of their drivers *mad*________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 @ 893Mhz | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 575/900 | Seagate 2x 320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

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I installed Vista and have the 100.64 (latest beta) for the Geforce 8800 and I increased my performance from about 15 fps to 25-30 fps compared to my old XP system. The driver upgrade from the 100.55 version added about 5 fps. Very happy about the performance.

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>>>All Nvidia drivers for Vista are BETA. Try some different>>>ones.>>>>>>>>>Allcott>>>>Not true>>I use:>>System>board:Nforce_680a_SLIWinvista32_15.01_english_WHQL.exe>>>>Video:97.46_forceware_winvista_x86_international_WHQL.exe>>>>You do know what WHQL means?>>>>100.59_winvista_32bit_english.exe is a beta driver.>>>>So don't go saying ALL NVidia drivers are beta!>>Regardless if the drivers are certified they are all beta, and>that is giving them a compliment. I have a machine with a>7900gt that is using the 'certified' driver that can't even>run any games because the driver is so bad. ALL of their vista>drivers are crap regardless if they are listed as beta or>certified. Do a little researching on the net and you will>see. They are also being looked at for a class action suit>because of this debacle. I would be running vista now as my>primary OS if it weren't for the state of their drivers *mad*>>>________________________________________________________________________________________________>>Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz>| 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 @ 893Mhz | >Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 575/900 | Seagate 2x 320GB>SATA RAID-0 | >OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW |>Matrox Triplehead SetupTake your problem to MS. They certify the drivers, not NVidia, not you, not Alcott, not me.I dual boot XP and Vista. Vista runs FSX as good or better than XP.Now thats my experience. If you have a problem,fix it.

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>>All Nvidia drivers for Vista are BETA. Try some different>>ones.>>>>>>Allcott>>Not true>I use:>System board:Nforce_680a_SLIWinvista32_15.01_english_WHQL.exe>>Video:97.46_forceware_winvista_x86_international_WHQL.exe>>You do know what WHQL means?>Windows Hardware Quality LabsRegards,Vern

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I think it's a different story for 8800 and 7-series cards. The 8800 was designed for Vista, and it seems like that's where nVidia is putting their effort right now (note that only the 8800s support SLI so far). In my experience, the XP drivers for the 8800 were very unstable (crashed every 1/2 hour in FSX), so the bar was set low for Vista. The Vista drivers certainly have their issues, but I haven't had a hang or crash playing a game yet. In contrast, the XP 7-series drivers were mature and stable, so the Vista drivers look bad in comparison.I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Vista for 8800 owners, but it looks like the 7-series folks might be better off on XP for a while./Frank

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>The latest driver version 100.64 released on the 13th seems a>vast improvement. I am getting 10 -12 fps flying through>central London useing ultra-high settings in full screen mode.>This may not sound much of an fps but stuttering has>disappeared. That's with an Intel dual core extreme 6800 and>an 8800GTS card.Wow. 10-12 fps on such a machine (basically, you cannot get faster hardware than this).Yeah, right. Vista will cure all the performance problems. How often did we read that in the past? Now, that's what I call a reality check. And yes, I DO know the drivers are still poor and will improve. But even a 100% improvement in driver code performance is not going to do a miracle here.Now waiting for the first post which states that the DX10 update will magically improve anything to a point where FSX can run at 50 fps on a mid-range machine :)

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>>Take your problem to MS. They certify the drivers, not NVidia,>not you, not Alcott, not me.>>I dual boot XP and Vista. Vista runs FSX as good or better>than XP.>Now thats my experience. If you have a problem,fix it.> >Microsoft certifies that they will work as designed in vista with the kernel, not that all functionality or performance will be perfect. That is nvidia's job in which they have failed miserably. MS has NOTHING to do with this. Why would you suggest that Microsoft is responsible for the state of nvidia's drivers??? Your entire post makes no sense to me.

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Well I was bored today so I popped in a spare drive, unplugged my xp drives and installed vista on my 8800 machine since it was doing me no good on my other machine with the 7900gt. I used the 100.65 driver that is apparently whql certified but as of yet is still unreleased from nvidia. I got the driver from guru3d. Surprisingly the driver has worked fine with no crashes so far but unsurprisingly most games run slower in vista, including fsx. This is pretty much the same behavior I saw on my other machine whenever i could get a game to run. Fsx runs smoother with none of the stutters that I get in winxp but I get terrible blurries, 5 fps less in the same spot as I did in xp and the game CTD'd with an out of memory error. I have never gotten an out of memory error in winxp. The game is configured identically on vista as it is on xp.The blurry textures make the game unplayable and they are either caused by the fact that the game/OS are consuming tremendous quantities of memory or because of the overall beta status of the video drivers (or both). This OS is not gaming-ready regardless of what you read. It's very nice and pretty and smooth, but there are some serious performance issues to work out if a machine of my caliber can't run a flight sim without running out of ram.I am going to install fs9 on it tomorrow and see what I get, but on my other machine I saw about a 50% drop in frame rate in fs9 between xp and vista so I'm not holding my breath.also: many eaglesoft products don't work in fsx/vista so do your research before you buy them if you plan to run this combo. I found this out tonight when my sr20 crashed fsx when I selected it in the airplane choice window. They apparently are not going to support vista any time soon, if ever. I will play around in vista for a few days no doubt and then plug the xp drives back in. I'll shelve this drive and OS installation for some time this summer when things have matured some. I love this OS but I'm a gamer at heart and this performance won't do.________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.40Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 565/900 | Seagate 2x320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

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I am finding fsx runs exactly the same as it did in xp-perhaps even a little better but if it is it is slight. I did share the blurry stuff initially-I found if I set all the video driver settings to application managed it took care of the problem completely-exactly the opposite of how I had xp setup. Running the same drivers as you.I also found the agp aperture setting in the bios effects it greatly. I set it first at 1 gig-vista would not even start. At 512 I got the out of memory errors. I set it back down to 256 and haven't had a problem since. I had this set at 512 in xp with no problem.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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I set a nvidia game profile for fsx with application controlled settings but it made no difference. I also have a pci-e machine so agp aperture does not apply to me. My symptoms are that i can load one saved flight or create a new flight and that entire flight will be fine. If i then attempt to load another saved flight or create a new one, when the flight starts I will fly for a minute or so and then my frame rate drops to 1-2 fps where it is uncontrollable and then it returns to wherever it was before and then all of my textures are blurry and they never come back, or at least haven't come back after 5-10 mins. The only way to get the sim to recover after this is to restart it. I am also still getting CTD's. I am not having much luck with fsx in vista which is a shame because surprisingly ALL of my other games run pretty good, even fs9 which shocked me. On this machine it runs as good as it does in xp, unlike my other machine. Even Quake 4 and ut2k4 run great on this machine and many others were complaining that both games ran very poorly in vista. Looks like fsx will be the linchpin for my continuing use of vista and right now it runs miserably. How to get some support?? Aces please to help me!________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.40Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 565/900 | Seagate 2x320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

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