52 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

The average gamer doesn't care about apis, papis, teryaki,

we the people are not the average gamers then. we spend more time talking and updating/organizing our "game" than actually playing it. but obviously both can be fun. I bet our logbooks of time flying vs. theorizing about flying is 10-fold. the difference between men and boys is the time spent with their toys. let the games begin!

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by turbomax

13 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

Pretty much says the same thing about X-plane mobile users. Just substitute MSFS with X Plane mobile and you have have the same user profile. The advantage for them is that they are not tied to a console either.

Except X-Plane Mobile does not give the systems fidelity and procedural realism many people want as it will not have the likes of Fenix A320, PMDG aircraft, nor Leonardo Maddog. So it is a bit of a pointless comparison, very likely to undermine MSFS as usual.

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by BiologicalNanobot

When I first got MSFS back in the beginning of 2021, I had constant CTDs which I eventually solved. At that time, I downloaded the XP11 demo and tried running that. The performance was much worse than MSFS, on my rig, even when moving the sliders or whatever XP calls them, down. The performance of MSFS today is way better than any other sim that I have tried. 

2 minutes ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

Except X-Plane Mobile does not give the systems fidelity and procedural realism many people want as it will not have the likes of Fenix A320, PMDG aircraft, nor Leonardo Maddog. So it really sounds like a pointless comparison, likely to undermine MSFS as usual.

It is very much on point. You given only the pc user prospective as if it would matter to the mobile user.

The key in this discussion is "if they care" 

If they care, they wouldn't use mobile phones for their flight sim needs in the first place with what you know and have your resources, but they don't and they still use them.

Much like the the gamer crowd would not bother with Fenix A320, PMDG or Leonardo because they don't know enough about them that would matter if all they cared about is jumping to a plane and fly.  So whats the difference? 

"Microsoft delivers on FS2020" does not have a monopoly on gamers when there are all types of games out there.

Undermining MSFS?

Yet I see all of the rehashed discussion about the graphics and doubt being spread around about XP12 ability to compete with MSFS before the Flightsim Expo presentation even begins? 

  

 

21 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

discussion about the graphics and doubt being spread around about XP12 ability to compete with MSFS before the Flightsim Expo presentation even begins? 

and after it ends 😊

47 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

When I first got MSFS back in the beginning of 2021, I had constant CTDs which I eventually solved. At that time, I downloaded the XP11 demo and tried running that. The performance was much worse than MSFS, on my rig, even when moving the sliders or whatever XP calls them, down.

Ok

What graphic card where you using at that time?

I know that AMD cards don't perform as well as Nvidia when it comes to Xplane.

Also there are specific settings for X-plane that you need to add to you graphic profile that are different from Directx because Opengl and Vulkan does not utilize certain features and if left on, can impact performance.   

6 minutes ago, turbomax said:

and after it ends 😊

I'm sure it will 😄

1 hour ago, BobFS88 said:

Much like the the gamer crowd would not bother with Fenix A320, PMDG or Leonardo because they don't know enough about them that would matter if all they cared about is jumping to a plane and fly.  So whats the difference? 

There is a difference between being able to fly without having to deal with several add-ons to improve visuals and other aspects of the simulator versus not caring about high fidelity add-ons or realistic flight. Many want to just learn flying or practice and have great visuals & performance at the same time, without doing lots of tweaking. So indeed, your comparison is not on point at all.

1 hour ago, BobFS88 said:

Undermining MSFS?

Yet I see all of the rehashed discussion about the graphics and doubt being spread around about XP12 ability to compete with MSFS before the Flightsim Expo presentation even begins?

Whataboutism.

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by BiologicalNanobot

It is only a matter of time before msfs will be available on mobile. Using the xcloud infrastructure that already allows me to play games that normally require a decent pc and an actual gaming card to play, with all of the heavy lifting handled by their server side Xbox systems. Even now I can play them with a simple internet web browser, platform agnostic. 

 

3 minutes ago, OneOfMany said:

It is only a matter of time before msfs will be available on mobile. Using the xcloud infrastructure that already allows me to play games that normally require a decent pc and an actual gaming card to play, with all of the heavy lifting handled by their server side Xbox systems. Even now I can play them with a simple internet web browser, platform agnostic. 

 

How about on an I watch???🤓

1 hour ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

Many want to just learn flying or practice and have great visuals & performance at the same time, without doing lots of tweaking.

Of course they do. You don't think mobile users are not experience that now.  X-plane is not the only market for this btw. And from understand they are use VR with there mobile devices. Its not as good as what you or I would prefer, but they that have nevertheless.

But we don't have to agree and that's ok.

1 hour ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

Whataboutism.

Yep,  works both ways when we hear "ohhhhhh LR, how are they going to be able to compete."

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by BobFS88

Thanks everyone for your comments.  I built my system specifically for MSFS2020.  The only thing I did not purchase yet is a new GPU.  I went a head and purchased MSFS 2020 and am loading it at this time.  I'll let you know how it preforms compared to XP-11 (if I can get the dang thing loaded).  I'm running it on the following system, I'll start the list with the GPU which is my weakest unit:

GPU MSI GeForce 1070 8GB

CPU Intel i9-11900 8 core 3.5ghz

MEM 128 GB GSkill Trident Z DDR4-4000

Drives  2TB Samsung 980 M.2 in a PCIe 4.0 slot (Saving that one for Direct storage).  2 TB Samsung 970 EVO M.2 PCIe (for MSFS 2020 only) 

ASUS ROG Stix Z590-A Motherboard

For now Windows 10 is running on a SATA 500 GB SSD.  I'll upgrade to Windows 11 a couple of months after the release.

 

 

GPU MSI GeForce 1070 8GB,

ok for HD resolution, too weak for 4K resolution or VR, 

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MEM 128 GB GSkill Trident Z DDR4-4000

32 GB is sufficient, 64 GB is plenty, 128 GB is overkill