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HOTAS Warthog Joystick - elevator question

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ok just recently noticed this and can't believe its took me this long. 

Let me explain, every aircraft in terms of elevator control works perfectly with my HOTAS Warthog joystick.  However I've just noticed if I go to external cam and pull the joystick back the elevator actually pushes forward.  When I push full forward on the stick, the elevators points up to the sky?  Shouldn't this be the other way around?  Like I said the actually aircraft responds correctly.

Now weird thing is when I go into my settings I have "Reverse Axis" ticked (a ha I thought).  If I untick this the visual model of the elevator is correct (on external cam) but when I push forward on my stick (to descend) the aircraft actually climbs and vice versa.

So basically the only way to works is reverse axis ticked, the visual elevator model is reversed but the aircraft flies correctly!

So either I'm being a complete noob and don't understand or I've had too much brandy. 🙂

Any ideas?

Edited by sidfadc

Thomas Derbyshire

Seems correct to me, think about why flaps down create a lift, and when elevators points up the wind press the aircraft down.

Edited by Ixoye

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Maybe I'm a noob then I just thought the elevator would point down when I push my stick forward, but its the opposite ha.

Thomas Derbyshire

6 minutes ago, sidfadc said:

Maybe I'm a noob then I just thought the elevator would point down when I push my stick forward, but its the opposite ha.

if you have held your hand outside a car window at high speed and angled it up and down, you will understand how it works.

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2 hours ago, sidfadc said:

ok just recently noticed this and can't believe its took me this long. 

Let me explain, every aircraft in terms of elevator control works perfectly with my HOTAS Warthog joystick.  However I've just noticed if I go to external cam and pull the joystick back the elevator actually pushes forward.  When I push full forward on the stick, the elevators points up to the sky?  Shouldn't this be the other way around?  Like I said the actually aircraft responds correctly.

Now weird thing is when I go into my settings I have "Reverse Axis" ticked (a ha I thought).  If I untick this the visual model of the elevator is correct (on external cam) but when I push forward on my stick (to descend) the aircraft actually climbs and vice versa.

So basically the only way to works is reverse axis ticked, the visual elevator model is reversed but the aircraft flies correctly!

So either I'm being a complete noob and don't understand or I've had too much brandy. 🙂

Any ideas?

 

 

I think this is a wholesome question and appreciate the nice answers.   

 

Good on you for asking and good on Ixoye for giving a nice answer.   

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

Seems correct to me, think about why flaps down create a lift, and when elevators points up the wind press the aircraft down.

Your are not correct on both the flaps and the elevator. 

 

 

 

Woe is me. I've been down so long it looks like up to me.

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26 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

When the elevator moves up, it puts the aircraft in a climb by pushing the tail down.

 

 https://aerocorner.com/blog/how-elevator-on-plane-works/

This ^

The effect all depends where the moveable surface is in relation to the centres of gravity and lift.  If it's at the back, as @Bobsk8 says, the elevator pointing up experiences a downward push at the tail which pushes the nose up.

An elevon on a canard would have the opposite effect.

And so, @sidfadc, you are right to be confused.  Sounds like the graphics are the wrong way round on the external view.  What model of aircraft are you using?

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Just now, AJZip said:

This ^

The effect all depends where the moveable surface is in relation to the centres of gravity and lift.  If it's at the back, as @Bobsk8 says, the elevator pointing up experiences a downward push at the tail which pushes the nose up.

An elevon on a canard would have the opposite effect.

And so, @sidfadc, you are right to be confused.  Sounds like the graphics are the wrong way round on the external view.  What model of aircraft are you using?

I see the same behaviour in all aircraft.  I don't understand how the elevator can be pointing UP when I am in fact descending.

 

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Thomas Derbyshire

8 hours ago, sidfadc said:

I see the same behaviour in all aircraft.  I don't understand how the elevator can be pointing UP when I am in fact descending

Well...you may be still descending (that is, dropping altitude) if you have insufficient power.  But your aircraft should show a nose up attitude unless you are stalled.

Very odd if it is all aircraft.  Can't think of a setting that would make that happen.

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