Opinions on Phenom with P3D v5

[Ray Proudfoot]

Here’s Aivlasoft’s EFB. Absolutely brilliant utility for any aircraft in P3D. Runs on the P3D PC or over a network. You get a Farr trial period to assess it.

https://www.aivlasoft.com

[rmeier]

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Rob, I’m assuming the Phenom reads a standard flight plan in P3D. That’s certainly the case for the PC-12. Now that flight plan can be loaded in several different ways:-

• Via Navigation - Flight plan
• Via ASP3D
• Enabling the option in FSUIPC to show “Load Flight plan” menu item under Options
• Or via Aivlasoft’s EFB.

Its the last one I’ll be using rather than any method provided by Carenado in the G1000.

I also have the Vertx DA-62 which has a fully functioning G1000 unit and I wouldn’t go near loading a plan via that as the process is so laborious. EFB injects the plan into P3D in the same way and it’s fine.

The beauty of the Aivlasoft method is the plan can be modified in flight making it totally flexible and that includes STARs.

It seems this aircraft’s only weakness is the loading of a flight plan. If that can be achieved externally it seems I’m ready to buy it.

Sorry I wasn't clear Ray,

Carenado bases their GPS off the default sim GPS...nothing special with their G1000.

There is no possible upload of a flight plan into the Phenom G1000. It is only a manual entry. Therein lies the frustration...it is hit or miss if the initiated flight will accept a new flight plan...about a 50% success rate after installing the Navigraph upgrade. Typically it messes up just trying to set departure/arrival airports.

 

Rob

[Ray Proudfoot]

Rob, are you saying the Phenom use of GPS is different to all the other Carenado aircraft use of it?

So are you saying the only way to use the GPS navigation in the Phenom is by loading a flight plan using the G1000 unit and not just loading a plan into P3D itself?

That would rule it out for me if that was the case.

[rmeier]

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Rob, are you saying the Phenom use of GPS is different to all the other Carenado aircraft use of it?

So are you saying the only way to use the GPS navigation in the Phenom is by loading a flight plan using the G1000 unit and not just loading a plan into P3D itself?

That would rule it out for me if that was the case.

The Carenado Phenom 300 (or 100) is not a fully functioning G1000. Flight plan entry is manual. As mentioned above, it would appear that the Navigraph expansion pack introduced a bug into the function of the "lite" G1000. (If you search, others have reported the same experience.)

This aircraft, for me, is a Hangar Queen due to the frustration. Personal opinion.

Again, in my opinion, you already have a great small jet with the Lear 25. If you're looking for longer range, the FSW Lear 35 is also a great plane.

I would also recommend the F1 B200 with the G1000...it's a little dated, but, the G1000 works well, that turboprop GA plane has good range and can be flown to real world checklists (good immersion).

My $0.02.

 

Last note: the Phenom has the same issue as all Carenado GPS aircraft...no "Direct To" function.

[Ray Proudfoot]

56 minutes ago, rmeier said:

The Carenado Phenom 300 (or 100) is not a fully functioning G1000. Flight plan entry is manual.

I'm sorry to labour the point but are you saying the GPS won't work with the A/P on if a flight plan is loaded into P3D?

57 minutes ago, rmeier said:

it would appear that the Navigraph expansion pack introduced a bug into the function of the "lite" G1000.

Is the Navigraph expansion pack mandatory?

59 minutes ago, rmeier said:

I would also recommend the F1 B200 with the G1000...it's a little dated, but, the G1000 works well, that turboprop GA plane has good range and can be flown to real world checklists (good immersion).

Too slow. I'm after a jet that has the speed of the Lear  (Mach 0.8) with a G1000 panel. Appreciate your advice and opinion.

[rmeier]

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I'm sorry to labour the point but are you saying the GPS won't work with the A/P on if a flight plan is loaded into P3D?

I was going to verify this point...it's been a long time since I've flown this aircraft...unfortunately, it's no longer loaded on my system. I'm sorry I couldn't easily verify...I never (in the past) tried to load a flight plan into P3D to test the A/P function in the Phenom.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Is the Navigraph expansion pack mandatory?

Not mandatory...I used it to keep my Airac synced between Carenado and ProATC/X (yeah, I still use that old program...warts and all!).

 

Don't get me wrong, Carenado fills a void and has some decent aircraft...the PC-12 (with the Bert mods) is a great little GA...the S550 is also a good aircraft. I also enjoy the PA-42 (heavily modified!). Most have bugs that have been worked out by the community (thanks to xml programming). I just don't consider the Phenom to be in the top shelf of Carenado products. For me, it's nice eye candy...the synthetic vision is a nice touch...it just has too many bugs and a flawed G1000 flight plan system to make it enjoyable. My experience.

[Ray Proudfoot]

28 minutes ago, rmeier said:

I never (in the past) tried to load a flight plan into P3D to test the A/P function in the Phenom.

Understood. Trying to rely on memory can be problematic.

29 minutes ago, rmeier said:

I just don't consider the Phenom to be in the top shelf of Carenado products. For me, it's nice eye candy...the synthetic vision is a nice touch...it just has too many bugs and a flawed G1000 flight plan system to make it enjoyable. My experience.

That’s why I’m holding back. Unless someone can confirm that the autopilot will fly the waypoints entered in the P3D flight plan with NAV engaged I’ll not buy it.

[Ralvarez232]

Ray, why don't try Flysimware Learjet 35B or Dassault Falcon 50? They are excellent modeled and could fill your requiremnts

Roberto

[Ray Proudfoot]

4 minutes ago, Ralvarez232 said:

Ray, why don't try Flysimware Learjet 35B or Dassault Falcon 50? They are excellent modeled and could fill your requiremnts

Roberto

I want the G1000 display. As I said earlier I'm looking for a jet than can fly at Mach 0.8 with the G1000 unit I fell in love with after buying the Vertx DA-62. No need for either of those when I already have the Xtreme Prototypes Lear 25 which sadly has a 50 year-old virtual cockpit.

[esp247]

Ray i fly the phenom a lot, the fly model if you respect de speed of tables is very good, when you climb the plane have a lot of power 22000ft aprox. The G1000 is sensitive, if you go for example to put the route and pass the point when you try to come back the sistem go crazy, you need put the plane to cold and dark and restart not is critical, put the flyplan step by step and no problem. In my opinion is the best modern private jet on p3d now.

If you have any questions tell me or send a PM im pleasure to help you.

Sorry for my english man.

[Ray Proudfoot]

@esp247, I'm happy to discuss here.

I have one question. If you load a flightplan in P3D is it visible in the Phenom GPS?

All I'm trying to establish is whether I can load a plan into P3D and for the Phenom autopilot to be able to use it.

What I don't want is to have to use the Phenom FMS system to enter a flight plan.

Thanks.

[esp247]

Honestly i never load a FP on pd3 always put manually but i try later.

[Bert Pieke]

Since my name was mentioned... The Phenom 300 is a great personal jet IMHO.  I have flown it all over the world.

I realise that you want to fly it with the Carenado G1000, but if ever you feel like trying the GTN 750 instead, I can provide the mods that will integrate the RXP GTN 750 into the panel.   And yes, you can load external flight plans into the GTN.

The main benefit is that you can interact with the flight plan, and make changes on the fly, like direct to waypoints etc which the G1000 has trouble handling.  Not to mention that you can fly RNAV LPV approaches which the G1000 cannot do.

[Ray Proudfoot]

Hello @Bert Pieke, thanks for dropping in.

I have Aivlasoft's Electronic Flight Bag. When you enter a flight plan into it and P3D is running it automatically loads the plan into P3D. Any aircraft that uses the default autopilot picks it up.

If I select a SID that updates the plan. When I select a STAR that too updates the plan in P3D.

That's how things work with the Carenado PC-12 (which includes your mods, thanks!).

So what I'm trying to establish is will the Carenado Phenom 300 react the same as the PC-12?

I really have no need to buy the GTN750 unit since EFB does everything I need. Aivlasoft's EFB effectively does what the 750 seems to do.

In short, does the Phenom a/p operate any differently to the one on the PC-12?

[Bert Pieke]

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

In short, does the Phenom a/p operate any differently to the one on the PC-12?

Hi Ray,

Yes, the autopilot in the Phenom is tied to the FMS as its guidance device..

**** EDIT: that is not correct.. sorry 🤫

What I did for the GTN mod, is to disconnect that link... and that might work for you as well.

Thinking about it... If you were to try my mods, without the GTN part, that might give you exactly what you are looking for.

What I do not know, is if the G1000 MFD has any surprises in it, since I replaced it with the GTN.. but it might be worth a try.