3 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

That's a view and you're certainly entitled to it.
I don't like monopolies as they create complacency and poor customer relations. Competition brings about new ideas, improvements, and better consumer pricing - there's plenty to improve upon in the Boeing offerings thus far for MSFS.

iFly has stated that there is demand for their products in P3D still. It's not a market leader amount, but it's enough to keep them happy to continue developing. No reason why this cannot be the case for them with MSFS.
I'd like for there to be a choice of Boeings, because I don't want to buy PMDG's.

Yes, I was very careful to use the phrase, "I don't think iFly should do a 737 for MSFS, from the perspective of their sales (not the perspective of MSFS users like us, who don't care if iFly makes a loss)."

There is a good chance that iFly coming out with a 737 for MSFS, they could lose money on such a project. Yes, it's possible for them to make a profit.  But making a profit is much harder when PMDG has already released their 737 for MSFS.  And the assumption is, PMDG will do the 737 MAX at some point as well.

If FSLabs had come out with their A320 in MSFS before Fenix did, then Fenix would also have a harder time making a profit in MSFS.

It doesn't mean that iFly can't make a profit, if they come out with a 737 for MSFS. For example, beating PMDG with the 737 MAX in MSFS, might be profitable for iFly.  But the probability that iFly will lose money increases dramatically if they are competing against PMDG's 737 600/700/800/900.

45 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

iFly has stated that there is demand for their products in P3D still. It's not a market leader amount, but it's enough to keep them happy to continue developing. No reason why this cannot be the case for them with MSFS.
I'd like for there to be a choice of Boeings, because I don't want to buy PMDG's.

iFly and any other devs might want to consider Boeings that are far away on PMDG's roadmap, like the 757, 767 maybe? I just don't think any sensible development company will look at the current MSFS landscape and then invest in developing a Boeing model that is going to compete with PMDG. All of RSR's forum behaviour aside, and just looking at the PMDG products themselves and their roadmap, and also taking into account the established customer base and especially the huge influx of new non-P3D customers who've bought the PMDG 737 and are interested in their future wares, does it really make sense for other 3PDs to compete in this space? I'm not so sure. Those disgruntled with PMDG/RSR and therefore wanting someone else to buy Boeings from are far and few between, compared to the much larger user base who still want to buy from PMDG, so that alone is not going to drive other 3PDs... I'm not dismissing your concerns, just talking grand scheme of things and numbers that drive business decisions.

If anything, hopefully the likes of Fenix and others are proving to be competition and lighting fires under PMDG (or RSR) to stop complaining about difficulties in developing the old school ways and get on to the new ways.

Edited June 7, 20223 yr by lwt1971

2 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Yes, I was very careful to use the phrase, "I don't think iFly should do a 737 for MSFS, from the perspective of their sales (not the perspective of MSFS users like us, who don't care if iFly makes a loss)."

There is a good chance that iFly coming out with a 737 for MSFS, they could lose money on such a project. Yes, it's possible for them to make a profit.  But making a profit is much harder when PMDG has already released their 737 for MSFS.  And the assumption is, PMDG will do the 737 MAX at some point as well.

If FSLabs had come out with their A320 in MSFS before Fenix did, then Fenix would also have a harder time making a profit in MSFS.

It doesn't mean that iFly can't make a profit, if they come out with a 737 for MSFS. For example, beating PMDG with the 737 MAX in MSFS, might be profitable for iFly.  But the probability that iFly will lose money increases dramatically if they are competing against PMDG's 737 600/700/800/900.

1 minute ago, lwt1971 said:

iFly and any other devs might want to consider Boeings that are far away on PMDG's roadmap, like the 757, 767 maybe? I just don't think any sensible development company will look at the current MSFS landscape and then invest in developing a Boeing model that is going to compete with PMDG. All of RSR's forum behaviour aside, and just looking at the PMDG products themselves and their roadmap, and also taking into account the established customer base and especially the huge influx of new non-P3D customers who've bought the PMDG 737 and are interested in their future wares, does it really make sense for other 3PDs to compete in this space? I'm not so sure. If anything, hopefully the likes of Fenix and others are proving to be competition and lighting fires under PMDG (or RSR) to stop complaining about difficulties in developing the old school ways and get on to the new ways.

The add-on market for MSFS is bigger, is it not?
If the ESP market can support two 737 and two 747 add-ons, I don't see why MSFS suddenly cannot. (It's not the same context as FSL or Aerosoft adding a third and fourth A320 to the market here).

None of us know what iFly's breakeven point is, maybe the numbers don't work and they have to shift their roadmap to a different Boeing model. However, given the 737 is a very common sight in the skies, it will have much more mass appeal than a 757 or 767, IMO.
I also think the latest shennanigans on the PMDG forums by RSR has made a lot of people consider where they want to spend their money.

Back on topic, if an enterprising developer wants to 'do a Fenix' and approach ProSim for the base 737 code to turn it into a MSFS add-on, then good luck to them. I'll watch with keen interest (as I did with Fenix) to see if I like it enough to buy.

Can anyone elaborate on what ProSim has that PMDG doesn't have?  I think they have some ACARS and CPDLC functionality, although perhaps we will see that from PMDG GFO comes out.  And a bit more accurate VNAV/LNAV performance?  Engines numbers may match real life a little better?  Those are the things I've heard lurking around home cockpit threads (never quite building one myself).

Those things alone wouldn't sway me to buy in addition to PMDG.  Perhaps there's more.  And if I ever really did buy a home cockpit, I'd be there. 

But perhaps I'm missing something.