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And there's also the fact they released the -300ER for their debut of the 777 series on MSFS.. so it's not like they always release the least popular variants first.

Ya would like to know the main enhancements they have done to the default 787 in 2024 too. From what I understood they take the default 787-10 aircraft and do the changes for the -9 variant. I guess what they call out as "Enhancements" in https://flightsim.to/file/62815/horizon-simulations-boeing-787-9 are the improvements above and beyond the modifications for the -9 variant right?

Looking forward to all the reviews, will try to hold out until the -300ER comes out for 2024 🙂 Sounds very interesting, hope they post a cut-down or full version of this video.

It is very good for a free default aircraft. Of course it's not at the Fenix/PMDG/FSL level of fidelity so in that sense you'd be frustrated 🙂, but overall medium fidelity I'd say, and unprecedented fidelity for default aircraft. Have a look at A330 Driver's (IRL A330 pilot) various videos and tutorials on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_D2DhRvVqM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2HSS7ist9 A series of tutorial "virtual type rating" videos he did starting with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lh_YpCrHo8

Re: needing more documentation for default aircraft, did you mean above and beyond what's in https://www.flightsimulator.com/aircraft-manuals/ ? Are you talking about the MSFS platform in general here, both 2020 and 2024, or 2024 only? Either way this comment doesn't make sense to me.. 2024 is a superset of 2020, yes with more bugs, but features/capabilities wise it is effectively a superset. Secondly, the presence of certain features (i.e. careers/missions) does not take away from all the core simulation features 2024 has obviously. MSFS is a sim platform geared towards a wide swath of users and interests, including of course core/serious simmers. There's a reason why 77% of a 23,000 pool of Navigraph users, "serious" simmers who tend to fly mostly airliners, chose MSFS as their primary platform. Unlike the previous generation of sims, features and capabilities don't need to come at the expense of each other.. Visual fidelity, core aircraft and flight/systems/avionics fidelity, free flight, careers/missions, aircraft types from GA to airliners to helis to gliders, etc etc can *all* be had in one sim platform. One can then use the sim platform as they wish, very serious and simulating of real world ops, to very gamey and casual, and everything inbetween.

Looks very impressive and thanks to the devs for bringing this to the MSFS platform. Eagerly awaiting this for 2024!

2024 looks great, flies great (with properly developed aircraft be they default or 3rd party, more so with all of the 2024's flight dynamics advancements especially for aircraft flight models that use CFD), handles on the ground great be it runway or other terrain, has default avionics of payware or higher level quality, has aircraft of overall fidelity (systems/FM/etc) that is unprecedented for being default, etc etc. And oh, MSFS 2024/2020 also has a vast ecosystem of major 3rd party devs all actively developing aircraft exclusively or mostly for the platform. Some of the usual suspects and those trying to push certain agendas will try to tell you that MSFS (2024 or 2020) only looks good, or pick on a specific feature/aspect and then go "omg it has careers/missions so it is for gAmErZ oNly!" :), etc. They are best laughed at and ignored. Yes 2024 had far too many bugs for an initial release, but I think with SU2 it is where it should have been on initial release, still lots more issues to fix but as it stands certainly does not take away from having a compelling experience. Given how actively Asobo are churning out the fixes, and like in 2020 future SUs and updates will have both fixes and free enhancements/feature-paks/add-ons, we have lots to look forward to.

The default/core WXR system and framework from 2020 models a fixed and pointing-straight-ahead 3D cone radar, and now adds tilt in 2024 (perhaps only in some aircraft? need to go and check).. so given that, can those in the know list the major pieces of functionality that are still missing in default WXR if any? Dangerous weather/clouds not having actual impact on the aircraft is a different sim issue altogether outside of WXR (but that's debatable too, since with turbulence set to realistic I get action most times when flying thru weather/clouds that should/would cause turbulence).

I guess the latest we have on the Majestic Q400 is this right? https://majesticsoftware.com/forums/discussion/1501/majestic-software-q400-2024-update ... don't believe any more recent updates from other channels. Additional Information regarding MSFS 2020/2024: Development on the Q400 is on going but we are still in the process of working to source a modeler to begin on the tasks that need to be done, which will be very time consuming. as progress on this becomes available we will share more information when we deem it necessary to do so. The aircraft on the back end works very well with MSFS2020 although there will need to be some additional work for MSFS2024 as it is fairly new to us as it has new technologies that will certainly provide new opportunities for development. I wish FSL had focused on the Concorde first for MSFS rather than the A32x line.

Then definitely get 2024 after SU2 releases (soon). As others have said, for low and slow flying 2024 is an unparalleled experience. Bush flying is really fun. Apart from the world terrain visuals, 2024's improvements in flight dynamics and ground handling (both runway and other terrain) are especially noticeable with GA flying, water handling is improved too. Various good aircraft choices in the default GA fleet along with 3rd party options.

Depending on how one looks at these numbers, one can always find a way to interpret them as bad for MS/Asobo, or good, or anything in-between. But again it's good to look at the results in the grand scheme of things: A good sample size of Navigraph users were polled (23K).. so it's safe to say the results represent the views of non-casual/serious simmers who're bound to invest in the platform and purchase high fidelity add-ons (as seen per the top add-ons results). Yes they're bound to be airliner simmers, but still. ~77% prefer the MSFS platform overall, 52% on 2020, and 25% on 2024 ... next (3rd) platform in the rankings is XP12 with 11.6% (so the main competition for 2020 and 2024 are each other) 2020 is obviously still holding its own, which speaks to how good and mature of a sim it is 2024, at five months old, despite the launch fiasco, despite having being released too early with too many bugs, is at second place with 25% (and of course perhaps that's due in part to the amount of fixes in SU1 and/or SU2). As 2024 matures with more SUs and fixes/enhancements in the coming months, it is obviously going to be the top sim in the MSFS ecosystem, and all add-on devs will transition to only developing for that As 2024 matures and more of the important add-ons become native/compatible for it, most of the current 2020 users are obviously going to transition to that So looking at above points, I just don't see how there would be any sort of major turmoil over at MS/Asobo 🙂. Yes, 2024 could be doing better given it was their second go at a major sim release and with all the investment poured in so far.. but then given all the launch mess-ups, the bad press, it could be much worse. And for being 5 months old, is this such a doom & gloom result? Despite the many predictions made for us by some around here about how this is going to tank MS/Asobo, they are sitting pretty at 77%, with most of the major 3rd party devs developing exclusively for their platforms. Not a bad position to be in 🤷‍♂️

Again, take your own advice, all of it. Might make you waste less time.

Oh look, how predictable 🤣. Thanks so much for the tip.

What's wrong with you, Goran? Why do you keep digressing into these who's right who's wrong and personal character analysis sidetracking? And please stop making up stuff, nowhere did I say my opinion is the be all and end all. We're not even discussing opinions. You claimed certain things, like Biology helping MS/Asobo with clouds.. that was wrong. Then you claimed 2024's lighting is not physics based, where is your evidence? (It is photometric, quite physics based I'd say). Rather ironic you mention toxicity, look in the mirror :)

Bottom line, 77% of the 23k users who responded to the Navigraph survey prefer the MSFS platform (with 2/3rds of those on 2020 primarily now, and 1/3 primarily on 2024). The majority of these respondents also consider aircraft authenticity/systems/FM fidelity the most important aspects of a sim aircraft. It's safe to say this is a good snapshot view of consumers who also buy high fidelity add-ons. *That* is the takeaway the major devs will take away from this (as they have done with previous Navigraph surveys). What this survey hopefully clarifies for them is whether to keep developing for both 2020 and 2024, or just 2024 only. Only time will tell about that, and especially based on how 2024 SUs evolve. At least we know now PMDG will make future new products for 2024 only. Let's see what the other devs end up socializing about their strategies.