1 minute ago, tup61 said:

Easy for you to say. I wonder what you would do if you were still on a dial up phone modem. 😉

 

If I was still on a dial up connection, I would have ruled out MSFS as soon as I found out it's requirements. Common sense. 

15 minutes ago, MySound said:

@tup61 should I repost your post about people who don’t have good internet? 🙂

Or at what else did you aim after people complaining about some gigs to download?

Please do because either you misread my post or either you are confusing me with Bob or I am misreading you LOL

15 minutes ago, MySound said:

This whole thread could be closed and nothing of value would be lost. 

That I agree with. Fully. 😉

33 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Hours and hours to download 6-10  GB. Are you using a dial up phone modem? 

Is that what updates are these days? As I've tried to communicate, I've been away for awhile, so I can only go by my own experiences from early on, when updates were easily closer to 40-60 GBs per update, which seemed nuts to me at the time when comparing them to the patch notes. If they are now smaller (6-10 GB), that's much more manageable for me personally (my connection is rural wireless that averages 8-10 Mbps down).

20 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Then maybe MSFS isn't for people in that situation, they should think about getting  a sim where it doesn't get updated at all like P3D. 

My internet is good enough to stream the satellite imagery and medium-level photogrammetry, so IMO it's good enough for this sim. Thankfully while my bandwidth is low compared to more urban areas, I do have decent latency. That said, I am keeping a watchful eye on the future XP12, not as a replacement for MSFS, but as an offline alternative / backup.

20 minutes ago, MySound said:

So and because there are users who didn’t reach the modern world yet, Microsoft should push out updates only once a year?

Or what’s the expectation?

Didn't Asobo recently scale back the frequency of their updates? Perhaps this has to do with the new beta testing phase? Large non-optional updates every month (especially ones that broke things) was not my preference, and wouldn't have been even if I were on gigabit fiber. Quarterly or even bi-monthly updates that are well-tested and not bigger than they need to be are fine (and even welcome) by me. I also am very glad that Asobo separates scenery from mandatory updates, so I can update scenery on my own time frame. The problem with mandatory updates is you need to download them in order to play at all, so reducing the frequency of these "planned outages" to not be too disruptive is wise IMO.

I have to laugh because my current internet speed is .025 mps and no i'm not doing MSFS these days.  

I actually like these breaks from simming.

I do think the update glitches have been smoothed out and should have better internet by the time SU10 releases.  Can't wait.

sp

 

Edited July 12, 20223 yr by Sky_Pilot071

20 hours ago, abranpuko said:

 

That is precisely the argument: they make you think that you are not forced.

But, what makes a user try a beta is the hope that the product works much better than it has.

Example: I give you a product that doesn't work very well, but you ve already paid for it,  and I tell you: do you want to try the beta?

Actually, this reflection is due to the fact that I have been seeing for two years how MSFS is full of bugs, and problems related to performance and other aspects. This made me wonder: how is it possible that a product on the market has so many errors? But obviously, being a good candy, we all ate them.

The fact is not that they force you or not to try a beta: it would be tremendous!
For me, the reflection is based on the fact that testing should be done by professionals and not by users who will be saying over and over again, for a month: "DLSS works well for me" and others "not for me".

These kinds of things should be done in private.
Asobo does a wonderful job with this simulator, but this does not mean that we have had two years of continuous bugs.

Think that even online air traffic does not work well.

Firstly, you were not forced to buy MSFS at release and neither are you forced to take part in any beta.  MS informed us it was a ten year development plan, so you could have waited 10 years before purchase to minimise any bugs you would encounter. At release MSFS was a useable product that wasn't 'full' of bugs, in the sense it wasn't useable. Users have many configurations of hardware and software, so it is absolutely guaranteed some will have issues.  Each new feature will introduce bugs to the sim and that is the purpose of an open beta - to allow those with an interest in new features and who are willing to give time to find and help the developers fix any issues.  For users like yourself, you are not forced to take part and can just wait for the release version.

The core of MSFS was a huge jump in realism over previous flight simulators.  I will voice concerns over aspects of the simulator, such as the weather system, but such concerns are not an attack on the core functionality of the simulator or the developers.  Like all of us, I can stop using MSFS if the concerns I have outweigh the benefits of using it.  At this point any concerns I have are vastly outweighed with features that I consider could be better.  I am happy to take part in the betas to be a small part in finding the bugs you are so concerned with.

You end your post saying 'Asobo did a wonderful job with this simulator' - that seems to suggest you also think the benefits of the sim outweigh any issues that currently exist within it.

2 hours ago, Keto Ketchup said:

Thankfully while my bandwidth is low compared to more urban areas

Go for Starlink satellite internet.  I've had it for a year and have had almost 100% uptime, with an average download speed of 300Mbs.  I live on a canal narrowboat in the middle of nowhere in the UK so I'm very happy.

6 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Firstly, you were not forced to buy MSFS at release and neither are you forced to take part in any beta.  MS informed us it was a ten year development plan, so you could have waited 10 years before purchase to minimise any bugs you would encounter. At release MSFS was a useable product that wasn't 'full' of bugs, in the sense it wasn't useable. Users have many configurations of hardware and software, so it is absolutely guaranteed some will have issues.  Each new feature will introduce bugs to the sim and that is the purpose of an open beta - to allow those with an interest in new features and who are willing to give time to find and help the developers fix any issues.  For users like yourself, you are not forced to take part and can just wait for the release version.

The core of MSFS was a huge jump in realism over previous flight simulators.  I will voice concerns over aspects of the simulator, such as the weather system, but such concerns are not an attack on the core functionality of the simulator or the developers.  Like all of us, I can stop using MSFS if the concerns I have outweigh the benefits of using it.  At this point any concerns I have are vastly outweighed with features that I consider could be better.  I am happy to take part in the betas to be a small part in finding the bugs you are so concerned with.

You end your post saying 'Asobo did a wonderful job with this simulator' - that seems to suggest you also think the benefits of the sim outweigh any issues that currently exist within it.

Asobo did a very good job. I can repeat it, but the reality, too, from the maximum objectivity, is that he did not offer everything that he said he sold.
In my case, I was very interested in online air traffic, which promised to work. Two years later he still does not do well, with the minimum required.
This does not come as criticism from an angry user wanting to say that everything is wrong. It comes with a smile as I write, because I like to reflect.
The feeling is, many times, that of having bought a very good beta, but a beta. The forums are full of people who ask questions every day, because they have a lot of problems.
So, when a beta comes out, for me it's a beta of the beta.

On the other hand, you made me reflect and, in a way, we are forced because every time there is an update, it is mandatory. And we have had many times to use the new version when we had finally managed to understand the old one.

Friend... I know the laws of the market. But I'd be lying if I didn't say that of course MSFS is a very nice gem.

If you're a developer and you're going to test a beta voluntarily, I think it's great.
Probably then we will have to do an update in a mandatory way.
It's like if I buy a car and they tell me that the new one is better.
Well no.

😉

Edited July 12, 20223 yr by abranpuko

Exactly what is the point of this post then?

sp

47 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Exactly what is the point of this post then?

sp

It's pointless,that's the point. 😉