2 hours ago, abranpuko said:

There is nothing more wonderful for a company that its consumers test its product, without it having been finished. In addition, the company does not pay them, quite the opposite: it charges them.

Success will come when the company also manages to make users happily affirm that they don't care, that they do it because it is a pleasure for them.

The company just has to call it BETA, or FIX...

The number of tests and professionals that the company will save will be enormous.

Users will happily have CTD, but will happily wait.

Best option for you is to wait until a perfect flight sim is released that contains no bugs, requires no fixes, updates or service packs - enjoy fishing for the rest of your life.

 

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They forced you to take part in the beta???

That is precisely the argument: they make you think that you are not forced.

But, what makes a user try a beta is the hope that the product works much better than it has.

Example: I give you a product that doesn't work very well, but you ve already paid for it,  and I tell you: do you want to try the beta?

Actually, this reflection is due to the fact that I have been seeing for two years how MSFS is full of bugs, and problems related to performance and other aspects. This made me wonder: how is it possible that a product on the market has so many errors? But obviously, being a good candy, we all ate them.

The fact is not that they force you or not to try a beta: it would be tremendous!
For me, the reflection is based on the fact that testing should be done by professionals and not by users who will be saying over and over again, for a month: "DLSS works well for me" and others "not for me".

These kinds of things should be done in private.
Asobo does a wonderful job with this simulator, but this does not mean that we have had two years of continuous bugs.

Think that even online air traffic does not work well.

In my opinion it is awesome thing that we could actively participate in development of the sim. 

On the other hand we have Lockheed Martin, who does not share any information about future updates, we cannot participate in open beta, and once the new version is out, we have to wait at least 3 months for 999 hotfixes to be released... That's the reality of P3D

Edited July 11, 20223 yr by ark4diusz

1 hour ago, abranpuko said:

There is nothing more wonderful for a company that (sic) its consumers test (sic) its product, without it having been finished. In addition, the company does not pay them, quite the opposite: it charges them.

Success will come when the company also manages to make users happily affirm that they don't care, that they do it because it is a pleasure for them.

The company just has to call it BETA, or FIX...

The number of tests and professionals that the company will save will be enormous.

Users will happily have CTD, but will happily wait.

You provided no sim-related specifics, so you must be talking about X-Plane or P3D. My seven-year-old computer runs MSFS beautifully at 30fps at 2K resolution.

28 minutes ago, abranpuko said:

 

That is precisely the argument: they make you think that you are not forced.

But, what makes a user try a beta is the hope that the product works much better than it has.

Example: I give you a product that doesn't work very well, but you ve already paid for it,  and I tell you: do you want to try the beta?

Actually, this reflection is due to the fact that I have been seeing for two years how MSFS is full of bugs, and problems related to performance and other aspects. This made me wonder: how is it possible that a product on the market has so many errors? But obviously, being a good candy, we all ate them.

The fact is not that they force you or not to try a beta: it would be tremendous!
For me, the reflection is based on the fact that testing should be done by professionals and not by users who will be saying over and over again, for a month: "DLSS works well for me" and others "not for me".

These kinds of things should be done in private.
Asobo does a wonderful job with this simulator, but this does not mean that we have had two years of continuous bugs.

Think that even online air traffic does not work well.

You are pretty clueless if you think that is why software companies have beta testers.  . 

Edited July 11, 20223 yr by Bobsk8

Most likely all of you are right. What moves a user is nothing more than the illusion, the projection, the expectation.

When you don't stop working and have little time, when you get home, the only thing you hope for is that your hobby works. You don't want to run into stutters, ctd, poor traffic, CPU issues etc, etc... even more when yuo have a very modern rig.

Being a beta tester sure, from a naive point of view, is wonderful. I would never get on a plane in beta even if the rest told me: take heart, if it wasn't for us, there would be no aviation!:)

(it's a joke)

I am probably wrong.
We must continue with the products that do not work quite well.

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You provided no sim-related specifics, so you must be talking about X-Plane or P3D. My seven-year-old computer runs MSFS beautifully at 30fps at 2K resolution

heheh, this will always be the argument. It's like saying: that doctor is bad, he didn't give me good medicine. And the other says: for me he is good, I was cured.

In fact, there are people who allow vaccines to be injected without being fully experienced.

 

4 hours ago, abranpuko said:

For me, the reflection is based on the fact that testing should be done by professionals and not by users who will be saying over and over again, for a month: "DLSS works well for me" and others "not for me".

These kinds of things should be done in private.

MSFS has some 50 in-house testers, testing it, according to Jorg. But even with 50 in-house testers testing it, bugs still slip through. Not to mention the developers also test it before they pass it to those 50 testers.

For each major version of Windows (ie. Windows 11), they also have a beta release to the public before the final release,  If MSFS has 50 testers, I bet you the Windows testing team has way more than that.  However, bugs will still slip through and that’s why there is a Windows public beta.

Software today, like MSFS, is inherently complex. An in-house testing team probably can’t catch all the bugs.  And the people that opt into the beta are not forced, and some of them even enjoy opting into the beta to try the “latest and greatest” thing.  I don’t see a problem. It’s a win for the game developer, and it’s a win for the beta testers, if they enjoy opting into the beta.

4 hours ago, abranpuko said:

due to the fact that I have been seeing for two years how MSFS is full of bugs, and problems related to performance and other aspects.

Then use a different simulator! No one is forcing you to use MSFS. The majority of people using this platform enjoy it immensely and understand that to develop one of the most complex pieces of software in the history of gaming. As far as open public betas, people have been asking for this for a long time and because of this, the updates that had these beta programs were better rollouts than ones previously released without. Once again, no one is forcing you to participate in the beta and if you think just regularly using the sim is a kind of forced beta, then you really don't understand how software development works. 

Edited July 11, 20223 yr by Bdub22

My reflection has nothing to do with feeling forced to try a beta. Because we have bought a beta.
It's a sophisticated beta. But many times it is more of a beta than a final product.

My reflection is because the product should work better than it does when it is sold, when it is brought to market to be sold. And, of course, if there are then 1000 betas to try, I'm in!

In other words, there is no beta of MSFS, but the new beta, and the beta that the rest of us use until that beta is tested.

you got it?

Just not realistic to think that a program like Flight Simulator can be released without issues in consideration of the complexity of the coding, integration of different technologies, blending with modules etc. etc. Thank goodness for beta testing and testers who screen each update to leave the majority of us with most satisfying complete flight simulation experience on the home computer to date.

6 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Joe Average thinks: Beta = free word not allowed

Then his PC blows up.

Then Joe Average makes a sad face and cries. 

THIS! It has been so evident this round of BETA as to who's here for the free word not allowed and who's here to really test. 

1 hour ago, abranpuko said:

you got it?

You're being unrealistic and I feel as if you haven't read what others have posted. It would be economically unfeasible to develop a platform this broad and complex to a point where they are zero issues. What we have now is leaps and bounds better than any other platform and the flock of developers coming to MSFS to create new products proves that. No other sim platform gets as many updates and as quickly as MSFS, along with a transparent developer that gives weekly updates, et al. All-in-all, we're quite lucky to be here and have the sim that we have, also knowing that it's going to continue to get better and better. Whats the saying? Patience is a virtue? Have some patience. 

Edited July 12, 20223 yr by Bdub22

6 hours ago, abranpuko said:

 

In fact, there are people who allow vaccines to be injected without being fully experienced.

 

I contend that the OP is a conspirency theroist  so his / her posts can justly be ignored.

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4 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

I contend that the OP is a conspirency theroist  so his / her posts can justly be ignored.

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Not the first time he has taken aim at MSFS. 

24 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

I contend that the OP is a conspirency theroist  so his / her posts can justly be ignored.

 

I missed that. Yeah, no point in trying anymore with someone like that.