Sorry to bother you with another performance thread....

Since my new computer (2020), on which MSFS is now also running, I have not been able to get proper performance for the flight simulators P3D, X-Plane and MSFS.

INTEL CORE I7-11700KF (Updated from Ryzen5, no improvement)

32GB DDR4

NVIDIA RTX2070 SUPER (tested with RTX2060, no improvement)

1920x1080 60Hz monitor (various monitors from 24" to 28" tested, no improvement)

 

1.) If I allow more than 30FPS, my monitor (freesync-capable, no G-sync) does not sync.

So regardless of whether it is fixed at 60FPS or open, when panning, the parts of the image warp vertically.

 2.) It only works smoothly with 30FPS fixed in the simulator, but red spikes can be seen on the upper bar, sometimes more, sometimes less.

However, when I put out pop-out displays or the scenery has a lot of static objects and planes (very bad Gaya's LOWW) starts to twitch irregularly, to stutter (like when reloading) there are more and more red spikes to surfaces in the top bar

Even if I load a situation and look around, it twitches a couple of times (short stutters) then it starts, like if a cash were loaded first.

3.) When I limit to 35fps sync enabled with Nvidia Control Panel, all bars are green but a constant slight stuttering.

Questions:

 

1.)How do I get vertical sync better than 30FPS?

2.) What can the twitch be? Any RAM sync history? There must still be a bottleneck.

I've already swapped the mainboard, CPU graphics card and monitors without any improvement.

In the Nvidia control panel I've gone through all conceivable combinations several times, tried many forum tips....

 

Thanks and regards,

Herbert

 

Freesync may not work with Nvidia GPUs?

I had stutter problems. I installed the MSFS beta patch: no more stutters. I would guess everybody will have a different experience, but I predict your stutters will reduce a lot as soon  as you bite the bullet and run the beta patch. The patch is small and very quick to do. But there is no easy way to go back from the patch except to reinstall the sim.

I don't want to ever go back because the beta patch also increased fps. And using any RTX gpu (which you have) allows using DLSS (it's a new choice in the anti-aliasing choice window of MSFS options when you upgrade the beta). There is no need to turn on DX12 to run DLSS in the beta. DLSS improves my fps even a little bit more and really improves the graphics (everything looks more detailed). 

Beta patch also has AMD FSR added into the options menu (although they gave it a different name, that's what it is). It does nothing for me when I move that slider (I have an Intel gpu which is probably the reason). I imagine anybody with an AMD gpu will see changes when moving that slider up to 100 or whatever.

FreeSync doesn't work at 30 fps, you need at least 48 (or even 60 if your monitor is not FreeSync 2).

Not sure what you mean by vertical warping, maybe tearing? This can be cured with VSync on.

Avoid popping out displays, MSFS has a problem with it.

Talking about hardware, apart from buying a GSync certified monitor and/or a more powerful GPU, I don't think you can do much...

5 hours ago, Puukka said:

Sorry to bother you with another performance thread....

Since my new computer (2020), on which MSFS is now also running, I have not been able to get proper performance for the flight simulators P3D, X-Plane and MSFS.

INTEL CORE I7-11700KF (Updated from Ryzen5, no improvement)

32GB DDR4

NVIDIA RTX2070 SUPER (tested with RTX2060, no improvement)

1920x1080 60Hz monitor (various monitors from 24" to 28" tested, no improvement)

 

1.) If I allow more than 30FPS, my monitor (freesync-capable, no G-sync) does not sync.

So regardless of whether it is fixed at 60FPS or open, when panning, the parts of the image warp vertically.

 2.) It only works smoothly with 30FPS fixed in the simulator, but red spikes can be seen on the upper bar, sometimes more, sometimes less.

However, when I put out pop-out displays or the scenery has a lot of static objects and planes (very bad Gaya's LOWW) starts to twitch irregularly, to stutter (like when reloading) there are more and more red spikes to surfaces in the top bar

Even if I load a situation and look around, it twitches a couple of times (short stutters) then it starts, like if a cash were loaded first.

3.) When I limit to 35fps sync enabled with Nvidia Control Panel, all bars are green but a constant slight stuttering.

Questions:

 

1.)How do I get vertical sync better than 30FPS?

2.) What can the twitch be? Any RAM sync history? There must still be a bottleneck.

I've already swapped the mainboard, CPU graphics card and monitors without any improvement.

In the Nvidia control panel I've gone through all conceivable combinations several times, tried many forum tips....

 

Thanks and regards,

Herbert

 

Apparently trying to use Freesync with an nVidia card might work, but it’s not guaranteed to work. 

https://www.thetechwire.com/can-i-use-a-freesync-monitor-with-a-nvidia-card/#:~:text=Can You Use A FreeSync,only the open FreeSync standard.

You have decent hardware that should run MSFS well. I’m not sure I understand what you mean by “red spikes can be seen on the upper bar, sometimes more, sometimes less”.

One of the best ways of judging how well MSFS runs on your system is to use the fps monitor in developer mode. Is that what you refer to? Anyway, you’ll find out whether you’re main thread limited, GPU limited.. or something else is limiting performance. 

About these stutters: are they always there, or only in certain situations (e.g on the ground at heavy scenery airports). What graphics settings do you use? In particular terrain LOD. 

I don’t think you’ll find the answer to your struggles in the nVidia control panel. Apart from the maximum performance setting, I don’t there’s a setting that will cause stutters to disappear. 

I'm using Freesync with a 3080ti and it works fine with no tearing up to the max refresh of 60Hz.  I can lock FPS anywhere between 30 and 60 with no tearing.  I've tried 30, 35, 40, etc. during testing.

Make sure Freesync has been enabled in your monitor settings and then select Vsync in game to 50% (lock 30 FPS) or 100% (variable up to 60 FPS) since you have a 60Hz panel.  I have found locking to 50% to be the smoothest for my settings but if I were to lower settings I could get much higher up to 60 FPS and smooth with no tearing.

Regarding stuttering, try lowering your LOD little by little and see how that works for you.

Thanks friends

 

Here are videos showing the issues:

 

(22) MSFS Performance Issues 50% Monitor Refresh Rate V-Sync On - YouTube

 

(22) MSFS Performance Issues without FPS limitation - YouTube

My settings at the videos above were Global Rendering Quality high end, Photogrammetry off

Here is  a video using quality Low, about same problems regarding the stutters.

(23) MSFS Performance Issues Global Rendering Quality Low - YouTube

I also spent days trying every recommended Nvidia Control Panel setting using restart of PC and MSFS afterwards, no better result.

The only parameter which shows major differences is the Glass Cockpit Refresh Rate. So there seem to be my bottleneck.

And that all higher PFS than 30 don´t synchronize vertically.

Regards, Herbert

 

 

 

 

Might try disabling sound in windows control panel and see if it makes a difference. And turning things off in task manager. 

It could be some command you programmed in control options that is toggling on and off, like a light going on and off outside the plane.

Did you try V-Synch directly in MSFS setting and in Nvidia Control Panel?

I initially had the same type of tearing on an RTX 2060 and 2080 when I was setting them up.
Your Nvidia Control Panel settings are most likely incorrect, you have something set wrong.

Reinstall the NVIDIA drivers doing a clean install option, make sure the settings were reset.
Then if the issue persists, you can google "Nvidia tearing MSFS" and you should find some guides on what to change.

Experiment in the Control Panel and with the MSFS setting first, keep your monitors stuff off for now.

 

Edited July 26, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

On 7/25/2022 at 9:31 AM, Puukka said:

Sorry to bother you with another performance thread....

Since my new computer (2020), on which MSFS is now also running, I have not been able to get proper performance for the flight simulators P3D, X-Plane and MSFS.

INTEL CORE I7-11700KF (Updated from Ryzen5, no improvement)

32GB DDR4

NVIDIA RTX2070 SUPER (tested with RTX2060, no improvement)

1920x1080 60Hz monitor (various monitors from 24" to 28" tested, no improvement)

 

1.) If I allow more than 30FPS, my monitor (freesync-capable, no G-sync) does not sync.

So regardless of whether it is fixed at 60FPS or open, when panning, the parts of the image warp vertically.

 2.) It only works smoothly with 30FPS fixed in the simulator, but red spikes can be seen on the upper bar, sometimes more, sometimes less.

However, when I put out pop-out displays or the scenery has a lot of static objects and planes (very bad Gaya's LOWW) starts to twitch irregularly, to stutter (like when reloading) there are more and more red spikes to surfaces in the top bar

Even if I load a situation and look around, it twitches a couple of times (short stutters) then it starts, like if a cash were loaded first.

3.) When I limit to 35fps sync enabled with Nvidia Control Panel, all bars are green but a constant slight stuttering.

Questions:

 

1.)How do I get vertical sync better than 30FPS?

2.) What can the twitch be? Any RAM sync history? There must still be a bottleneck.

I've already swapped the mainboard, CPU graphics card and monitors without any improvement.

In the Nvidia control panel I've gone through all conceivable combinations several times, tried many forum tips....

 

Thanks and regards,

Herbert

 

Try this:

Nvidia Control Panel:

• VSYNC: FAST
• FPS Limit: 58
• Other settings on default or w/ FreeSync as req.

MSFS Settings:

• VSYNC: OFF

My own testing has shown that NVIDIA frame limiter with its VSYNC is still better than MSFS Vsync/frame limiter. However, I have a different hardware config (Nvidia 3080, 144 Hz monitor with fixed refresh rate).

Thanks again, I‘ll give your recommondations a try….and ordered a 3080 just to be sure 😀

Cheers, Herbert

Reinstall the driver first, I once went in circles for 3 hours, but then finallly reinstalled the driver - and did the "circle of settings" once more, and it worked.
 

3 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

Reinstall the driver first, I once went in circles for 3 hours, but then finallly reinstalled the driver - and did the "circle of settings" once more, and it worked.
 

Yeah it probably won’t hurt doing a clean driver install. 

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/connectivity-and-performance/article/clean-installation-of-nvidia-drivers/000063728#:~:text=Nvidia offers an easy way,it to start the installation.?isSso=true&refreshStatus=noLoginData

But hopefully the GPU upgrade resolves the issue. Fingers crossed 🤞 

2 hours ago, Puukka said:

Thanks again, I‘ll give your recommondations a try….and ordered a 3080 just to be sure 😀

Cheers, Herbert

Some Freesync monitors require you to go into the actual monitor settings to enable Freesync using the menu on the monitor...just make sure you have done that otherwise no Nvidia Control Panel or Vsync settings are going to do anything to help tearing.

When I first setup my Freesync monitor the default Freesync setting was off (along with HDR for that matter).  I had to scroll through the menus and turn both on.