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Fenix "ding" question

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I've noticed that on almost every landing when idle the thrust on landing (generally around the retard callout give or take), I hear the ding of the A/T going off.  I never had this happen before or i have never heard it on a real A320 landing video.  What am I doing to cause that to happen?  Or is it normal and I just never noticed it somehow?  

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2 minutes ago, Zimmerbz said:

I've noticed that on almost every landing when idle the thrust on landing (generally around the retard callout give or take), I hear the ding of the A/T going off.  I never had this happen before or i have never heard it on a real A320 landing video.  What am I doing to cause that to happen?  Or is it normal and I just never noticed it somehow?  

No that's not normal. Seems like the airplane doesn't know it's landing and therefore thinks returning the thrust to idle is worth a master caution. But no idea why this is happening.

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2 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

No that's not normal. Seems like the airplane doesn't know it's landing and therefore thinks returning the thrust to idle is worth a master caution. But no idea why this is happening.

Yeah, that is weird.  I am stable, approach armed, fully configured for landing.  

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The master caution might ding off if you're idling the thrust levers too slowly. 

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6 minutes ago, Aamir said:

The master caution might ding off if you're idling the thrust levers too slowly. 

I bet that is it... I have been trying to do it a little more gradual so I'll try to do it quicker and see if that helps. 

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5 minutes ago, Zimmerbz said:

I bet that is it... I have been trying to do it a little more gradual so I'll try to do it quicker and see if that helps. 

Common technique is reducing it to idle without hesitation before touchdown (not literally pulling it apart, but not at all like in the 737 when you are supposed to only reach idle on touchdown).

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The FWC (flight warning computer) is looking for this, so if you don't do it in time, it will flag it and set off the "ding" to let you know "hey, this isn't in a detent and you've not hit the instinctive disconnect, you know about it?", the timings and FWC logic is simulated. So, feel free to just slap it right into idle, the engines have a reasonably realistic spooldown rate, so you won't end up with 0 thrust instantly.

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I always reduced to idle at 30ft and did so quickly but smoothly.  There was a video by Easysimjetpilot (a RW A320 pilot) that suggested to reduce throttles more slowly and I started trying this technique.  I didn't really help much, although I have never heard the ding.  I wonder if that is why more pilots are doing things this way?

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1 hour ago, MarkW said:

I always reduced to idle at 30ft and did so quickly but smoothly.  There was a video by Easysimjetpilot (a RW A320 pilot) that suggested to reduce throttles more slowly and I started trying this technique.  I didn't really help much, although I have never heard the ding.  I wonder if that is why more pilots are doing things this way?

I guess "slowly" is relative, anyway it should be on idle before touchdown. I don't know any real life pilot who lands the A320 with throttles still above idle, while some actually do so on the 737.
Anyway MSFS' ground effect is a bit too strong so I'd not recommend taking too much time with the throttles, or you'll be floating down the runway.

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2 hours ago, Aamir said:

The FWC (flight warning computer) is looking for this, so if you don't do it in time, it will flag it and set off the "ding" to let you know "hey, this isn't in a detent and you've not hit the instinctive disconnect, you know about it?", the timings and FWC logic is simulated. So, feel free to just slap it right into idle, the engines have a reasonably realistic spooldown rate, so you won't end up with 0 thrust instantly.

Guilty of this ... Worried that i will be left without thrust and drop like a rock the final 5 to 10 feet ( been flying the 737 too much) 

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