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I love float planes, and keep checking, but there seem so few in FSX - well, so few that fit with my European flying. I find the Beaver and Goose too new world. I used to love the freeware maul in FS9, and the Caravan, and of course the wilga float. ANyone know of any good float planes not in the file library? I don;t mind payware (though freeware is always better).Other than that, can anyone point me to a link for getting the FS9 aircraft working in FSX - I seem to remember it's a gauges edit?

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If the Beaver and Goose are too 'new world', what exactly are you looking for?The only float plane I fly with any regularity at all is the RealAir Scout. I also have the MAAM DC-3 package which has a float version, but I have never flown it.Have you tried 'porting' the freeware Maule into FSX?

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LONG POST ALERT!!!I'm a little puzzled at the Beaver and the Goose being "too New World" as well... meaning that they are too modern or too North American? Regardless of which, you've hit upon one of my secret pet topics, somewhat like how I can't resist correcting other people's bungles with Photoshop.There were a number of passenger floatplanes, really big ones, in the time before WWII, as well as during and after. Here are a list of floatplanes (going from pre-WWI, not just passenger aircraft) an interested sim pilot can look up online:Hydravion - 1910 - Built by Henri Fabre, this was the world's first floatplane. It featured the tail in the front of the aircraft. France.Curtiss-Ellyson Hyrdoplane - 1911 - One of the earliest practical seaplanes. USA.Short Seaplane - 1914-1917? - A floatplane designed to be launched and recovered by a warship at sea. It had to be hoisted into and out of the water from a deck crane. GB.Curtiss NC Series - 1919 - 4 engine flying boat designed to cross the Atlantic. Lt. Cmdr. A.C. Read made the flight in NC-4 in 19 days. USA.Caproni Ca.60 Transaero - 1921 - A truly unique airframe: 9 wings, 8 engines and 2 pontoons. It crashed and sunk on its maiden flight of 60 feet above Lake Maggiore. Italy.Dornier Do J "Wal" - 1922 - "Wal" means "whale" in German. This early passenger floatplane could carry up to 12 passengers, and had 2 engines in a tandem push-pull configuration. Germany.Savoia-Marchetti S.55X - Another unique Italian design: a triple tail keeps twin catamaran-style hulls stable in the air. The whole thing is powered by push-pull engines in tandem. The cockpit is in the thick wing between the two hulls. Italy.Curtiss R3C-2 Racer - 1925 - Jimmy Doolittle flew this biplane floatplane racer to a record speed of 246 mph. USA.Supermarine Southampton - 1925 - RAF military aircraft, a pre-cursor to the Sunderland. The Southampton was a twin-engined biplane flying boat. GB.Macchi M.39 - 1926 - Low-slung monoplane floatplane sets speed record of 259 mph. Italy.de Havilland DH.50J - 1926 - The favoured modified floatplane of aviation explorer Alan Cobham, whose exploits furthered the cause of British imperialism overseas. GB.Sikorsky S-38 - 1929 - An early Sikorsky creation with amphibious gear. It could carry 8 passengers, and flew for Pan Am in the Caribbean. USADornier DO X - 1929 - This German "flugschiff" flying boat mounted 12 engines! It carried 170 passengers who had to move around in the cabin to help the aircraft bank for turns. Germany.Tingmissartoq - 1929-1931? - Charles Lindberg's floatplane for personal recreation. It's a Lockheed Sirius with floats. The name means "Man who flies like a big bird" in Inuit. USA.Supermarine S.4, S.5, S.6, S.6B -1931 - British monoplane racing seaplanes that evolved into a racer capable of over 400 mph. GB.Macchi M.C.72 - 1931 - Monoplane floatplane with 2 contra-rotating propellors on the same nose to eliminate crushing torque effect. Reached 441 mph. Italy.Short Empire (Sunderland) - 1936 - Flying boat that carried around 4,300 pounds of mail or 17 passengers in luxury. The Sunderland is the military variant. GB.Sikorsky S-40, S-42 "Clipper" - 1931-1934 - Pan American Airways flagship flying boats, capable of carrying up to 40 passengers, or 14 sleeping berths (if you could sleep!). USA.Martin 130 "China Clipper" NC14716 - 1935 - Pan Am upgrades to this magnificent 4 engined flying boat, whose inaugural flight went under the San Francisco Bay Bridge when the pilot decided that he couldn't make it over the bridge. USA.Supermarine Walrus - 1935 - A seaplane that could be launched by catapult from a warship. On deck, it could be folded into a space just 17 feet wide. GBConsolidated PBY Catalina - 1936- An iconic flying boat patrol craft from WWII. More Catalinas were built than any other flying boat in history, over 4,000. USA.Short Mayo Composite - 1938 - A 4-engined Mayo Mercury floatplane rode piggyback on a 4-engined Short Empire flying boat. It was an experiment to lift heavy loads for long distances. GB.Lat

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Hello:Don't know what you are looking for exactly, but for what it's worth:I personally prefer amphibians and there are several in fS9 that copied or installed with no problems over into fSX for me. You stated that you liked an FS9 Maule version. I don't remember exactly which one it is, but I have a Maule_M7_w60C copied from FS9 that came in several versions, including amphibian, skis and several wheel versions. The panel opens up with a preliminary window you have to click to continue if that is the same one you have. Flys perfectly in FSX. There is also the Maam DC3 someone else has already mentioned. I also like the DHC2 BeaverMK3_C-FOPA which is a Turbobeaver. I believe it is available as a formal FSX upgrade as well, but I am not sure I ever bothered to change it. A fine bird. I also use the old DHC2av2 Beavers as well from some past version long ago (preference for amphibians again). The only drawback to me is that the doors don't open. Best I remember I also had to convert to FSX Beaver gauges as well, but it flies swell.For a pure float plane, Bill Lyon's cub is a dandy in my book. Here again you may or may not have to replace a gauge or two. I have lost track of birds that had this requirement and those that did not.I hope you find something to your likeing.RTH

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I have the 206, but not the float version. I fly the Scout when I want to get wet.

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Bill's Piper Tri-Pacer is a great aircraft as well, but I have not tried to install it into FSX yet.

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Jeff, I'm not sure you can really group flying boats with float planes. But I would add the Martin Mariner (over 1300 built from 1939) and Mars. The Mariner was the USN's maintstay recce / asw aircraft during WWII.The Mariner at least is available form AlphaSim.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177720.jpgscott s..

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I can group flying boats and float planes together... well, because I said so! That, and it's been a secret ambition of mine to get more flying boats from that time period into MSFS. For me, the flying boats have the most interesting and varied designs, and are engineered to be so incredibly versatile. As I mentioned before, they represent a period in time where the limits of technology (pre jet-engine, pre CAD) were greatly exceeded by ambition and imagination. I did think of adding the Mariner to the list, but the PBY Catalina came to mind first. Thank you for pointing me to this model, I will go and check it out.Jeff ShylukSenior Staff Reviewer, Avsim

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Thanks for all the input, chaps. Sorry it's been a while, but I've been away. First things first, what I mean by "too new world" is that when flying the Goose or the Beaver, I find myself imagining that I'm flying over the vast areas of Canada or Alaska, Australia or the South Pacific. For some reason, maybe because I've seen them so many times on the TV in those locations, I always associate them with bush flying where the bush is really bush, and not the genteel farmlands of North Europe, which I know, and over which in FSX and FS9 I find myself predominantly flying. It's no slur on the aircraft, or any non-European country for that matter, it's just for me they seem to relate to a different scnerey and type of flying. I loved the Wilga, becasue it's European in manufacture, and seems more realistic in setting. Only trouble is I can;t get the gagues to work (anyone point me to the edit?).I also love tha Maul, but for some reason that never shoes up in the FSX list (Don;t ask me why, but if anyone has a fix, I'd be greatful).I do look forward to the Catalina. For me it's more a pacific flyingboat, and that's where I'll probably fly it, but it's a favourite from my childhood, and as such it's a must when released.Again, many thanks for the input.G.

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The Maule is a flyable aircraft only in the DeLuxe version of FSX. Jeff ShylukSenior Staff Reviewer, Avsim

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I second the recommendation above regarding the RealAir Scout package. The whole package is superb, especially the virtual cockpits.-Erik

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I think he meant the FS9 freeware Maule available here. I believe it comes with a float version.-Erik T.

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>The Maule is a flyable aircraft only in the DeLuxe version of>FSX. >>Jeff Shyluk>Senior Staff Reviewer, AvsimHi Jeff:I was unaware of any limitation of legacy aircraft features when loaded in the Standard FSX version versus the Deluxe FSX version.Could you tell me some more about that? :-roll I recommend this aircraft a lot, and although I do personally use FSX Deluxe, I would want to know if there actually is a disclaimer or work around that I might wish to include with my recommendations for downloading the excellent Maule M-7-260 freeware (7 models!) by Mikko Maliniemi.I edited my Maule M-7-260 freeware sound.cfg to use the sounds for the default FSX Maule and it works wonderfully.The complete set of files (with updates) is at:http://files.fsnordic.net/cgi-bin/file/sea...eyword&bool=andHappy Flying! :-)GaryGB

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I honestly don't know much about importing legacy aircraft into FSX. I think of it as a "grey area" in terms of copyright, and so on the side of caution, I don't import them into FSX. As far as the FSX Maule is concerned, there is a Maule Orion that is native to the program. In the Standard version, it's an AI plane only, and it appears to haul your glider into the air. In the DeLuxe version, the Maule is fully flyable. Jeff ShylukSenior Staff Reviewer, Avsim

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Hi Jeff:Thanks for taking a moment to reply.I believe a majority of FS2kX legacy aircraft can be used in FSX; the Maule is an excellent example of a freeware model (7 actually!) that was designed and built so well for FS9 that it seems to have no problems in FSX even with propeller visibility.The Sound.cfg file can be "aliased" from one aircraft's original sound files (many freeware and even payware aircraft do not have their own sound files!) so that it uses those of another aircraft's files... without violating copyright.And one can also open in NotePad, the Sound.cfg file for the FSX default Maule side-by-side with the Sound.cfg file for the freeware Maule, and edit the freeware sound file names so that they use the surround-encoded ones from the default FSX Maule.Copying those default FSX Maule files over into the Sound folders under the freeware Maule so that they can be run "locally" under the folder chain of the freeware aircraft is essentially no different than "aliasing" sounds, in that one is normally only able to fly "1" aircraft at a time in FS using those sound files.One would NOT, of course, expect to be allowed by Microsoft to make a copy of the default FSX Maule sound files (or any other default FS file for that matter) for use on an entirely separate computer (say... a friend who does NOT own FSX?) so that they can enjoy a surround encoded freeware Maule flight (the FSX sound files do work in FS9!).Certainly this is not further intended as a tutorial to illustrate for example, that if one owns the excellent RealAir Simulations Scout Amphibian package for FSX, one could also back up the freeware "Maule.air" file inside the Maule M7-260 Amphibian folder, then substitute instead the "RASScout2007_Amph.air" from the Air Scout 2007 Amphibian under the name "Maule.air" for a remarkably different flying experience in "1 active instance" of FSX on one's own computer with the software one has purchased! :-halo Those legacy aircraft that work acceptably in FSX will do so if their folder chain is placed in the {FSX install path}SimObjectsAirplanes folder along with their pertinent gauges, sounds, and effects (with any associated effect textures) in the appropriate matching FSX folders. Any required (but FSX compatible) modules must also be transferred over to a {FSX install path}Modules folder too (create that folder as needed!).To allow an image to display in the FSX aircraft pick list, a "Thumbnail.jpg" must be prepared and placed in each associated texture folder in the nested folder chain of each aircraft model; however these are not required for the aircraft to be detected and listed by FSX when it loads.In the case of some payware aircraft, they would likely all be intended for use only on one computer. I doubt, however that anyone can run more than 1 simultaneous instance of FS on their system at a time, and if they did they would not get acceptable performance in either instance of FS!So, if the aircraft is used interchangeably (1 FS session at a time) in EITHER FS9 or FSX but ONLY on 1 computer system belonging to the registered owner of that payware aircraft, I believe it would be irrelevant to the purchaser or the payware author (unless the author actually does make BOTH an FS9 and a FSX version that they want to sell for use in each instance of FS on their customer's computer).And of course, some payware uses special installation configurations that allow aircraft to work only when run from specific folder locations; in some cases they additionally check which version of FS is attempting to use them.But if an author does NOT make more than 1 version of an aircraft, and they know that the purchaser cannot run more than 1 instance of FS on their computer at the same time, I doubt they would anticipate having or even asking their customer to buy another copy of an aircraft just to use in FSX.One might also, IMHO, NOT reasonably expect a user to refrain from clicking on "Add an Area" in the FSX Scenery Library user interface to utilize a previously purchased FS9 add-on scenery package from the original FS9 install location for use in their "1 active instance of FS" (in this case... FSX) running on their computer while flying! Components installed by such a scenery package somewhere outside its own folder chain into {FS9 install path}Addon SceneryScenery, and {FS9 install path}Addon SceneryTexture etc. would of course, also have to copied over to a matching location in FSX in order for the scenery to work properly.Of course, opinions may vary in such scenarios!Although I have read that Microsoft expects users of Microsoft Virtual PC to purchase another copy of their OS to use inside the Virtual PC, this is only because IMHO it presumably is running concurrent with the original OS copy.Hmmm... one might reasonably wonder if computer manufacturers are paying Microsoft for 2 licenses when they create a system restore "image" file on a hidden partition, or if they simply exercising a perceived right to do that (on behalf of their purchaser?) under the U.S. Copyright laws which allow owners (read: end purchaser) to make 1 archival backup of something (regardless of obfuscation imparted by boilerplate wording in EULAs!).And what about the licensing on the "pre-install environment OS" on the computer's reinstall/restore image which some manufacturers also provide to the purchaser on removable CD or DVD media?If they are not the purchaser and they are not paying Microsoft for another OS license, perhaps they are not being pursued by Microsoft because they realize only 1 instance of the OS can be used at a time?Certainly less fun to spend time pondering these issues instead of having fun flying in our purchased "single active instance" of FS using our single active instance of a purchased aircraft or scenery package, or... one of the many excellent freeware creations out there! :-lol Happy Flying! :-) GaryGB

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Hi all,I read this entire post with some interest. I would really like an FSX version of the Noordyun Norseman on floats, I just tried the famous Brian Gladden version. It loaded up with multiple warnings about various guages not being compatible but eventually it seemed to work, at least in the air...On the water however it sank until it was almost submerged.Is there a way to correct this problem? I never messed around with any flight model files.Geoff

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