20 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

But the code that Chat GPT generated was mostly a bunch of stubs? Seems like Chat GPT generated a general template, but then everything is stubbed out in your example:

I don't even know how accurate this template is in the first place. But having so much code stubbed out isn't very useful, IMO.

I was also playing around with Chat GPT and asking it to generate code in C#.  It wasn't bad - in fact, Chat GPT was pretty close in the few examples I gave it. But it also generated some errors that I would have had to spend a lot of time trying to figure out why it wasn't working.

In the end, to save time, I would have been better off copying and pasting code from Stackoverflow, because code from Stackoverflow generally works.  This is the reason that Stackoverflow has banned code generated by Chat GPT, because the code generated by Chat GPT often has a lot of errors.

I'm not saying Chat GPT doesn't have any value for programming. In fact, I think it's a great tool to add to a programmer's set of toolbox. But I wouldn't completely rely on it, and I would also be cognizant that Chat GPT can often generate a lot of coding errors, which costs you time to figure the errors out.

Yes, in general chatGPT is good for a lot of tasks BUT it needs an expert to check the output. If the checking takes more time than you would need to do it in the first place, it's obviously not worth it. For some tasks, though, it's a great timesaver.

However, a much better example of the capacity for generative AI to create new content is the poem I included. I just let it know that you liked MSFS, were not a fan of Prepar3d and also didn't think much of ChatGPT. It didn't just steal that from an old Sylvia Plath poem about flight simmers. It worked out how to create a new piece of art, based on a very random prompt.

I actually think it's pretty good as a poem. And the ending: "He was a dreamer of the digital heavens, Bound to the flight, his heart's true theme." Man, you've got to love that! 🙂

 

Edited March 27, 20233 yr by OzWhitey

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Rockliffe, thanks for that. Do you think you could handle the FE’s job? 😁

There were 13 fuel tanks. Some used for feeding engines directly, others for balancing for correct CG. Others as feeder tanks to those feeding the engines directly.

I'll pass on that one Ray, thanks!

5 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

Is it really going to change things forever?  We've had the ability to search a database for a long time now.  This thing does not mimic human behavior or thought processes; that's the whole point.  All it can do is stitch together info in its database, and it often does so incorrectly...

It does a lot more than that. See the poem I submitted as a decent example. It's better at creative tasks like this than 97% of humans. You give it a couple of data points for a poem, play or song and it'll create something that's novel and actually really good.

Here's a song by the new ChatGPT 4 about your almost namesake (Aleister Crowley, the English occultist, who I think you've mentioned in a previous comment?) flying a Stearman while dissing AI. 🙂

 

(Verse 1) In the sky, high above the land, A Stearman biplane, piloted by a man, He's Aleister Crowley, the occultist grand, A mystic rebel, the world in his hand.

With a twinkle in his eye, he takes to the air, A master of magic, without a care, He soars through the clouds, a vision rare, Defying the odds, on a mystical dare.

(Chorus) Oh, Aleister Crowley, you fly so high, Your Stearman biplane paints the sky, You challenge the world with your mystic mind, And tell us AI's overrated, we're truly blind.

(Verse 2) As he cruises through the heavens, he scoffs at the crowd, A man of the shadows, a sorcerer proud, He says, "These machines, they're just a shroud, For humanity's weakness, we're all but cowed."

He weaves through the air, with the wind in his hair, A figure of legend, a magical heir, The secrets of the cosmos, he's vowed to share, But not with the robots, they'll never compare.

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If anyone is interested enough ask this app "How to fly Concorde?"

If it searches forums I wonder if it will copy and paste the instructions I have supplied in Avsim. 🤣

ChatGPT is very good at answering questions, but it doesn't tend to give "cut and paste" answers, despite the comments of some sceptics here. A better example of what it can do, though, is to give it a creative task that almost certainly has not been previously performed by any human. The best test of generative AI is to make sure the task you request is both complex and novel.

So here you go, Ray. The recently-released ChatGPT 4 has written us screenplay for a new TV show that definitely, absolutely should be picked up by one of the major networks. This is gold. Enjoy!

 

Title: Soaring Heights

INT. CONCORDE AIRCRAFT - DAY

Ray Proudfoot, a middle-aged man with a passion for flight simulation, is seated in the passenger cabin of a Concorde aircraft. He is excitedly chatting with his fellow passengers about the aircraft and its features.

RAY Can you believe we're flying on the Concorde? It's a real piece of history!

FELLOW PASSENGER Yeah, it's amazing. I've never been on a plane like this before.

Suddenly, there's a commotion near the cockpit. A FLIGHT ATTENDANT rushes out, visibly distressed.

FLIGHT ATTENDANT Is there anyone with flight experience onboard? Our flight engineer just had a heart attack!

RAY (raises his hand) I've logged countless hours on flight simulators like FSX and Prepar3d. Maybe I can help?

INT. COCKPIT - DAY

Ray is led into the cockpit, where the PILOT and CO-PILOT are struggling to keep the aircraft stable.

PILOT We need to balance the fuel in the 13 tanks, or we could lose control. Can you help?

RAY (nods) I've done this many times in flight simulators. Let me give it a try.

Ray confidently takes over the flight engineer's station and starts working on the fuel tanks.

INT. PASSENGER CABIN - DAY

Passengers whisper nervously among themselves. The Flight Attendant tries to keep them calm.

FLIGHT ATTENDANT Don't worry, folks. We have someone helping the pilots. Just remain calm and stay in your seats.

INT. COCKPIT - DAY

Ray is focused as he successfully balances the fuel in the tanks. The pilots watch in awe as the aircraft stabilizes.

PILOT (Grinning) You just saved this plane and everyone on board. That's incredible! Thank you!

RAY (Smiling) I'm just glad I could help. Those flight simulators really paid off.

INT. PASSENGER CABIN - DAY

The Flight Attendant addresses the passengers, who now appear relieved and grateful.

FLIGHT ATTENDANT Ladies and gentlemen, we have resolved the issue, and our flight will continue as planned. We'd like to thank our fellow passenger, Ray, for his help in keeping us all safe.

The passengers break into applause, and Ray returns to his seat, beaming with pride.

INT. CONCORDE AIRCRAFT - LATER

The aircraft lands safely, and Ray disembarks to a hero's welcome. News reporters and passengers gather around him, asking for interviews and selfies.

RAY (Laughing) I never thought my hobby would lead to this. It's been a wild ride!

FADE OUT.

THE END

@OzWhitey, I have to take my hat off to you. 😁 That’s brilliant! 👏

You missed the bit about my visit to the Palace to get my MBE. 🤣

18 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@OzWhitey, I have to take my hat off to you. 😁 That’s brilliant! 👏

You missed the bit about my visit to the Palace to get my MBE. 🤣

Well, that's episode 2... 🙂

 

Title: A Royal Rescue

INT. BUCKINGHAM PALACE - THRONE ROOM - DAY

Queen Elizabeth II, regal and poised, sits on her throne. Ray, a middle-aged flight simulation enthusiast in a suit, stands before her. They are surrounded by an audience of dignitaries and officials.

QUEEN ELIZABETH II Mr. Proudfoot, your heroic actions in saving a Concorde aircraft are truly commendable. I am honored to present you with this MBE award.

Ray smiles proudly and receives the MBE from the Queen.

RAY Thank you, Your Majesty. I never thought my hobby would lead me to this moment.

QUEEN ELIZABETH II Yes, it's quite an extraordinary story. Do tell me how you managed to save the aircraft.

RAY Of course, Your Majesty. I'm sure you're familiar with the Concorde's fuel system. There are 13 tanks, and balancing the fuel is essential for maintaining the aircraft's center of gravity.

The Queen nods politely, but her eyes begin to glaze over.

RAY (CONT'D) When I entered the cockpit, the aircraft had an unbalanced fuel load. I immediately knew I had to transfer fuel from the main tanks to the trim tanks.

QUEEN ELIZABETH II (Feigning interest) Oh, that's quite intriguing.

Ray, growing more enthusiastic, dives into more technical details.

RAY So, I started by transferring fuel from the main tanks, numbers 5 and 6, to the aft trim tank, number 10. This would help adjust the center of gravity and bring the aircraft back to a stable flight attitude.

QUEEN ELIZABETH II (With a forced smile) How interesting...

RAY But that's not all! Then I had to pump fuel from the forward trim tank, number 9, to the main tanks, numbers 1 and 4. This precise balancing act was crucial to prevent the aircraft from pitching up or down uncontrollably.

Queen Elizabeth II's eyes dart to her aides, hoping for an escape. But Ray continues, oblivious to her discomfort.

RAY (CONT'D) And let's not forget the wing tanks, numbers 2, 3, 7, and 8! These tanks also play a vital role in stabilizing the aircraft during supersonic flight. The fuel transfer process was certainly a challenge, but my experience with FSX and Prepar3d flight simulators made it second nature.

Queen Elizabeth II's polite smile wanes, and her annoyance starts to show.

QUEEN ELIZABETH II (Attempting to wrap up the conversation) Well, Mr. Proudfoot, your expertise is truly remarkable. You've more than earned this MBE.

RAY Thank you, Your Majesty. There's so much more to share about the Concorde's fuel system, but I appreciate your kind words.

QUEEN ELIZABETH II (Cutting Ray off) Yes, well, yes, well, I'm sure there is much to learn. However, we must proceed with the ceremony. Once again, congratulations, Mr. Proudfoot.

Ray finally takes the hint and bows respectfully before stepping back. The Queen sighs in relief and calls the next recipient. As the ceremony continues, Ray can't help but look back at Queen Elizabeth, still eager to share more of his Concorde knowledge.

FADE OUT.

THE END

And one last screenplay for this evening. If anyone works in the Film and Telly industry, call me - we need to make this series happen. Cheers!

😉

Title: "Turbulent Skies"

INT. CONCORDE AIRCRAFT - DAY

A luxurious Concorde aircraft is cruising at high altitude. OZWHITEY (mid-30s, nerdy-looking) is a passenger enjoying his flight, wearing a headset and playing Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 on his laptop.

ANNOUNCEMENT (over PA system) Ladies and gentlemen, we are currently experiencing some turbulence. Please remain seated with your seatbelts fastened.

Suddenly, the FLIGHT ENGINEER (50s, serious) clutches his chest and collapses. The CAPTAIN (40s, authoritative) and FIRST OFFICER (30s, professional) rush to his side.

CAPTAIN We need someone to take over for the Flight Engineer. Does anyone have experience with the Concorde?

OzWhitey, overhearing the conversation, springs to his feet.

OZWHITEY Captain, I have hundreds of hours of experience with the Concorde in Microsoft Flight Simulator. I can help.

The Captain and First Officer exchange glances and reluctantly agree to let OzWhitey take over.

INT. CONCORDE COCKPIT - DAY

OzWhitey sits down at the Flight Engineer's station, excited to put his virtual experience to the test. He begins to transfer fuel between the 13 tanks to restore the aircraft's center of gravity.

OZWHITEY This is just like the simulation!

INT. CONCORDE PASSENGER CABIN - DAY

The passengers start to notice that the turbulence is getting worse. Some look worried, gripping their armrests and exchanging nervous glances.

INT. CONCORDE COCKPIT - DAY

The Captain, studying the gauges, realizes something is not right. He turns to OzWhitey.

CAPTAIN Wait a minute, which version of the Concorde did you use in the flight simulator?

OZWHITEY The DC Designs Concorde, sir.

The Captain's face turns pale as he realizes OzWhitey's lack of expertise with the real Concorde.

CAPTAIN That's not an accurate simulation! We need to fix this immediately!

OzWhitey panics, attempting to undo his fuel transfers as the Captain and First Officer frantically work to stabilize the aircraft. However, it's too late.

EXT. CONCORDE AIRCRAFT - DAY

The Concorde, now dangerously unstable, plummets towards the ground, leaving a trail of smoke behind it.

INT. CONCORDE PASSENGER CABIN - DAY

Passengers scream and brace for impact as the aircraft descends at an alarming rate.

EXT. CONCORDE AIRCRAFT - DAY

The Concorde crashes into the ground, creating a massive explosion and engulfing the aircraft in flames.

FADE OUT.

THE END

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EDIT:

Or perhaps we'll have more success getting this picked up by a major network if we go with this version's alternate ending, written after I explained to our AI overlords that this TV series is a comedy:

The captain and first officer scramble to correct the damage, but it's too late. The Concorde tilts and shakes even more violently.

CAPTAIN (panicking) We're going down! Brace for impact!

As the aircraft plummets, OzWhitey tries to lighten the mood with a forced joke.

OZWHITEY (grinning awkwardly) Hey, at least we're going down in history, right?

The screen fades to black as everyone braces for the inevitable crash, with a faint sound of a laugh track playing in the background.

EXT. HEAVEN - DAY

The passengers, captain, first officer, and OzWhitey arrive in Heaven, all dressed in white robes with golden harps.

OZWHITEY (looking around) Well, it's not the Concorde, but it'll do!

Everyone rolls their eyes but can't help smirking, as the laugh track plays once more.

THE END

Edited March 27, 20233 yr by OzWhitey

@OzWhitey, thanks for the MBE post. This fancy app seems unaware the Queen has died and we now have a King. Perhaps not quite as clever as first thought. 😉

And there are some technical errors but there’s no need to go into those.

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@OzWhitey, thanks for the MBE post. This fancy app seems unaware the Queen has died and we now have a King. Perhaps not quite as clever as first thought. 😉

That's because ChatGPT currently isn't really aware of much past Sept. 2021, not due to lack of cleverness (at least for significant events like in this case). Future updates will get more current data and at some point, presumably, be running on live data.

It will be a game changer, though I think some of the predictions are a little optimistic yet. Developers are already finding it useful, but one still needs to know what they're doing and be able to properly review the output. It won't automatically enable someone without any coding experience to code their own flight sim from scratch, for example. In the legal world I've seen some predictions that it could take over writing legal agreements and other documents, however, some are very wary of this and would require pretty close scrutiny of the output.

On a more concerning side is the ability to use its ability to generate creative output to make phishing emails far more dangerous. It will become almost impossible to determine whether an email is legitimate or not as you lose red flags such as poor grammar, alongside the ability to have them look far more genuine.

Here's an example:

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Can you write an email to Ray Proudfoot asking for help flying the Concorde in Prepar3D?

 

 

Quote

Dear Ray,

I hope this email finds you well. I am reaching out to you because I've heard that you are an experienced flight simulator enthusiast and I am in need of some assistance with flying the Concorde in Prepar3D.

I have been practicing with the Concorde for some time now, but I am having trouble with a few aspects of the flight, such as the takeoff procedure and managing the supersonic cruise. I have searched for tutorials online, but I'm still having trouble.

Would it be possible to arrange a brief consultation with you over email or a video call? I would be very grateful for any advice or tips you can offer, and I am happy to compensate you for your time.

Thank you very much for considering my request, and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

[Your Name]

Just need to attach an infected file that looks like a description of where the supposed problem is (similar to how YouTube channels are being hacked lately). How many people would easily recognize this as a threat?

Interesting times...

On a lighter side, ChatGPT can now be run on MS-DOS.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/retro-chatbot-chatgpt-comes-to-ms-dos-with-new-ai-client/

6 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

And one last screenplay for this evening. If anyone works in the Film and Telly industry, call me - we need to make this series happen. Cheers!

😉

Title: "Turbulent Skies"

INT. CONCORDE AIRCRAFT - DAY

A luxurious Concorde aircraft is cruising at high altitude............................

....................................Everyone rolls their eyes but can't help smirking, as the laugh track plays once more.

THE END

Oz, These are gold!! 🤣 Not sure who I can put in the credits though...🤔   

Screenplay by:

GP Chatman

Actors:

Ray            Chat  Mod

Oz              Chatty Mc Chat Face 😏

 

In all seriousness though, what you have really described is how to create these outcomes by selecting criteria that ChatGPT can use to develop its answer. Would I be correct then if I said that by formatting the criteria so that it must include certain words like MSFS Flight Plan that it could create flight plans based on the other criteria provided? Also, how about post flight analysis? Could ChatGPT be used in some way for that? I suppose it depends where it gets it's data from and it may not be able to get it from in-game...at the moment. I can already see many business applications (especially marketing puffery) but I wonder what 'real' use we can make of it in MSFS? Perhaps a check ride Captain providing advice in flight?      

Note: For those who aren't aware, like I wasn't,  ChatGPT (Chat Generative Pre-trained Transformer) is an artificial intelligence chatbot developed by OpenAI and launched in November 2022.

 

Cheers

Terry

 

Edited March 28, 20233 yr by Lord Farringdon

54 minutes ago, goates said:

That's because ChatGPT currently isn't really aware of much past Sept. 2021, not due to lack of cleverness (at least for significant events like in this case). Future updates will get more current data and at some point, presumably, be running on live data.

It will be a game changer, though I think some of the predictions are a little optimistic yet. Developers are already finding it useful, but one still needs to know what they're doing and be able to properly review the output. It won't automatically enable someone without any coding experience to code their own flight sim from scratch, for example. In the legal world I've seen some predictions that it could take over writing legal agreements and other documents, however, some are very wary of this and would require pretty close scrutiny of the output.

On a more concerning side is the ability to use its ability to generate creative output to make phishing emails far more dangerous. It will become almost impossible to determine whether an email is legitimate or not as you lose red flags such as poor grammar, alongside the ability to have them look far more genuine.

Here's an example:

 

Just need to attach an infected file that looks like a description of where the supposed problem is (similar to how YouTube channels are being hacked lately). How many people would easily recognize this as a threat?

Interesting times...

I deal with phishing and SPAM in our organisation all the time and I certainly look for the clues like poor grammar, bad spelling, lack of context etc etc. I agree with you  @goates that use of ChatGPT could aggravate this. 

I also wonder about how writers will think of this. I mean writers block could be a thing of the past with a couple of well thought up criteria. In fact, at what point does any author get credit for their contribution in future unless they can verify no portion of their work is a direct lift from Chat GPT?

AI is great but it does raise some practical, ethical and safety questions about its use.    

Edited March 28, 20233 yr by Lord Farringdon

33 minutes ago, Lord Farringdon said:

Would I be correct then if I said that by formatting the criteria so that it must include certain words like MSFS Flight Plan that it could create flight plans based on the other criteria provided? Also, how about post flight analysis? Could ChatGPT be used in some way for that? I suppose it depends where it gets it's data from and it may not be able to get it from in-game...at the moment. I can already see many business applications (especially marketing puffery) but I wonder what 'real' use we can make of it in MSFS? Perhaps a check ride Captain providing advice in flight?

Might take a bit of training and prompting to get a proper flight plan out of it. Here's a quick example of what it does right now when asking for a VFR flight plan. Note one big miss is that it referenced FAA regulations for a flight in Canada.

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Q: Create a vfr flight plan to fly from CYBW to CYEG

Sure! Here's a sample VFR (visual flight rules) flight plan for a flight from CYBW (Springbank Airport) to CYEG (Edmonton International Airport):

Aircraft: Cessna 172

Departure airport: CYBW (Springbank Airport)
Destination airport: CYEG (Edmonton International Airport)

Route:

    Depart CYBW runway 17, climb to 7,500 ft
    Fly heading 350 for 80 nm
    Descend to 5,500 ft
    Fly heading 020 for 35 nm
    Contact Edmonton Terminal on frequency 119.7
    Follow ATC instructions for arrival and landing at CYEG

Estimated flight time: 2 hours

Notes:

    This flight plan assumes good weather conditions and normal traffic patterns.
    Always check the latest weather information and NOTAMs (notice to airmen) before departure.
    Don't forget to file a flight plan with the appropriate authorities, and to carry all required documentation and equipment on board the aircraft.

 

Q: How much fuel would be required for this route?

The amount of fuel required for this route will depend on several factors such as the type of aircraft being used, the prevailing weather conditions, the weight of the aircraft, and the desired reserve fuel.

Assuming a Cessna 172 aircraft, which has an average fuel consumption of about 8-10 gallons per hour and a total fuel capacity of 56 gallons, here's an estimate of the fuel required for this route:

    Distance from CYBW to CYEG: approximately 115 nautical miles (209 kilometers)
    Flight time estimate: 2 hours
    Fuel consumption rate: 8-10 gallons per hour
    Reserve fuel: FAA regulations require a minimum of 30 minutes of reserve fuel for VFR flights.

Based on the above assumptions, the total fuel required for this flight would be:

Fuel consumption rate: 8 gallons per hour

2 hours of flight time = 16 gallons
Reserve fuel = 4 gallons (30 minutes @ 8 gallons/hour)
Total fuel required = 20 gallons

Fuel consumption rate: 10 gallons per hour

2 hours of flight time = 20 gallons
Reserve fuel = 5 gallons (30 minutes @ 10 gallons/hour)
Total fuel required = 25 gallons

Remember, these are just estimates and the actual fuel required for the flight may differ depending on various factors. Always consult your aircraft's performance charts and make sure to include adequate reserves to ensure a safe flight.

I could see one target in MSFS being the ATC system. Throw as much real world ATC recordings at it as possible, and you may get something far more realistic than we have now.

2 hours ago, goates said:

That's because ChatGPT currently isn't really aware of much past Sept. 2021

Yes, ChatGPT is very clear about the limitations of its training data. When I asked it who the current monarch of the UK was, it replied:

As of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, the current monarch of the United Kingdom is Queen Elizabeth II. She ascended to the throne on February 6, 1952, following the death of her father, King George VI. Please note that this information may be outdated if there have been any changes in the monarchy since September 2021. To get the most up-to-date information, I recommend checking a reliable news source or the official website of the British monarchy.

However, in this particular case I specifically asked my AI writing partner to use Queen Elizabeth in the MBE story, as she would be the logical king/queen to be involved after a Concorde incident. Of course, it’s still hard to reconcile a Concorde passenger having Prepar3D experience, but that is the fault of the human-in-the-loop’s prompt, not the AI.

ChatGPT is very good at understanding what its human wants, but the prompt you choose is very important. For example, I could specify that the story should contain no anachronisms and the AI would try its best to accomodate my request.

2 hours ago, goates said:

Throw as much real world ATC recordings at it as possible

One of the limitations of ChatGPT is that it’s not trained for specific tasks. If you want an AI to simulate ATC, you train it with ATC recordings. If you want it to get good at chess, you feed it lots of chess information.

ChatGPT is a general language model. What is amazing is how good it is at tasks you wouldn’t expect a language model to excel at - playing chess or Go, writing or debugging code or performing technical flight simulator tasks.