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Coolsky/Flight1 MD-80 opinions?

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Hello all, I am considering purchasing the MD-80 for FSX and wanted to know any opinions people have regarding the product. I have always been a fan of the MD-80 series and this looks like it might be a pretty good addition to my hanger. A VC is a requirement for me and this one looks pretty good.Any thoughts/opinions would be greatly appreciated!Thanks

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A gem. no bugs, accurate model, wonderful graphics, good frames. Includes even a teaching module for beginners. Must be one of the best add-ons out there.

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Confirmed, one of the best, if not the best airliner addon.Very little impact on the framerates and I might add, very authentic sounds :)Regards BerntCapt 767

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One of the best add-ons ever.Combine it with something like Xpax from HiFi and immerse yourself in the joys of flying an airliner :)

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All the above echoed by me, too. Great aircraft, but there IS a learning curve to the nav/ap system.

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A superb plane, great fun to fly, feels like the real thing. However........it is subject to OOM terminations. I first got them after about an hour in FS2004. Then I selected the option NOT to load all the 2D panels at start-up, and they went away. Then they came back with FSX, until I moved some scenery sliders to the left, when they went away again.But now, with FSX SP2, they're back again. A great shame, because I really like the plane.Petraeus

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I added it to my FSX collection yesterday, and have a few short minutes flying it around the circuit. It is an excellent piece of work from what I can judge in the short time I have flown it. I am looking forward to diving into the full systems management aspect of it, when I have time.To other owners... I have seen that there is an SP1 out for the MD80. Should that be installed over the FSX package or is it strictly for the FS9 varient? The download page wasn't specific. Thanks!

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Hi Tom,SP1 was for the FS9 version only. The FSX version was all-inclusive.Regards,Jim Karn

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Been flying it for months,it is absolutly one of the best airliners produced, however as others have said, if you want 'as real as it gets' you will need to invest the time to learn the FMC. Its an early version and requires some studying.

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Its especially cool if you fly in shared cockpit and split the duties :-)

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Does anyone know how it compares to Lago's Maddog?ThanksBernd

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Can anyone confirm whether you get a printed manual with the CD version, please? Would like to get on and download this, since the reviews look overwhelmingly positive, but I can wait if there's a manual in the offing for a CD version.

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I picked up the MD-80 last night ad really like it. I could do without the OOM errors, but hopefully I ca fix that by messig with the Autogen slider (had it up pretty high).It seems like a nice aircraft, and I really the way they did the on-screen walkthroughs of the checklists and whatnot.Thanks for the recommendations, everybody. :-beerchug

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Bit of an 'open' question really, but how does it compare to the Maddog 2006?Thanks

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Wow it still has OOM errors? I bought the FS9 version last year and while I loved the plane itself I couldn't complete most long range flights because of OOM errors. I got so frustrated I returned it to Flight1 for a refund. First time I ever used their generous return policy. Such a shame as it is an outstanding plane.

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I have flown this plane 100's of hours and never had a OOM error, either with this plane or any other in FSX. Sounds like a system problem, not a plane problem.

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I've logged extensive hours in Flight 1's MD80. Unfortunately, every flight beyond roughly 1 hour flying time ends with an OOM error for me. Tried this and tried that, to no avail. Most of my Maddog flights are now done with "the other" Maddog, which is also great but doesn't have a virtual cockpit. ricardo

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Two things, guys: Angelique Van Kampen did a super write-up and included a good number of comments on the differences between the two:- http://www.avsim.com/pages/1107/Super80/Super80.htmand secondly, regarding the OOM errors - it's really a matter of managing XP's memory: I run 2 gig and whereas I did get two OOM's early on - I discovered some fixes on this (AVSIM) site, which I followed and was successful:-"I just added "/fastdetect /3GB /userva=2560"So, my boot.ini now has this line:-multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn /3GB /userva=2560I take no credit for this, but I can't find the original post, and so any credit goes to the guys at AVSIM for allowing us to help each other! (Yucchhh! Honey, butter and sugar or what?). There are also Microsoft articles on these parameters, too.

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>Sounds like a system problem, not a plane problem.It's both. If you look at the Windows Task Manager when the Super 80 is loaded, you can see that it's using much more storage than other planes, typically up to and beyond the 2MB boundary.It is a problem that is acknowledged by Flight 1 / Coolsky. Here's a quote from the official forum:-"It looks like the root of the out-of-memory (OOM) issue has finally been found. FS9 and FSX simply can not limit themselves to the 2 GB memory limitation of 32-bit applications. When the addon or sim asks for more memory than the operating system can give it, you get an OOM error and your flight is over. Note that this is virtual memory. Whether you have 1 GB or 4 GB physical RAM installed, FS still needs to deal with the 2 GB limitation of 32-bit applications.So, why does the Super 80 seemingly suffer more from OOM errors than other addons? The Super 80 is a highly complex and graphics intensive addon. There are other complex addon aircraft out there, but the volume of graphics required to run the animations in the Super 80 cockpit surpasses most other addons. The Super 80 requires more memory than most other addon aircraft, thus it will reach the 2 GB limitation sooner."See http://s80.flight1.net/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2145 for more.Petraeus

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I am going to run some tests with different graphics settings and see how this affects the OOM issue.Regarding the boot.ini fix posted earlier, doesn't that fix work for this OOM issue but also (possibly) adversely affect other programs?

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Hi Shane; I had the OOM error with both the Eaglesoft Citation II and the CS MD80 on any flight over about an hour: since this mod there have been no oom errors, nor any other issues. A week or so ago I purchased the ATI/ASUS EAH3870 gpu, and then rebuilt the sim according to David Roch's post, with SP1 & 2. She has been absolutely magnificent since then. I wasn't complaining before, but my water and traffic were not where I wanted them with the 1950XTX. One thing you might try is to reduce the texture sizes, ala Matt Fox's mods. They are still valid, as 512 x 512 takes up much less memory than 1024 x 1024. I didn't do it this time 'round, but I may.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/182726.jpg

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>Its especially cool if you fly in shared cockpit and split>the duties :-)Uhh, I thought you could not do shared cockpit in the more complex add-on aircraft which use own variables etc internally. Please tell me how well sharing works with this plane, I can't really imagine the two systems involved will be synced at all. But I might be wrong. *:-* In fact would be great if I were.Cheers, :-beerchugEtienne :-wave

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