September 29, 20241 yr Getting ready to build a new machine for MSFS2024. List below is what I have ready to order. Suggestions welcome: Fractal Design Define R5 Black Silent ATX Midtower Computer Case MSI Z790 GAMING PRO WIFI LGA 1700 SATA 6Gb/s DDR5 ATX (280) Motherboards - Intel ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER OC Edition Gaming Graphics Card (PCIe 4.0, 16GB GDDR6X, HDMI 2.1a, DisplayPort 1.4a) TUF-RTX4070TIS-O16G-GAMING Intel Core i9-14900F - Core i9 14th Gen Raptor Lake 24-Core (8P+16E) LGA 1700 65W None Integrated Graphics Processor - BX8071514900F CORSAIR RM1000e Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply - ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 Compliant - 105°C-Rated Capacitors - 80 PLUS Gold Efficiency - Modern Standby Support SAMSUNG 990 EVO SSD 2TB, PCIe Gen 4x4 | Gen 5x2 M.2 2280, Speeds Up-to 5,000MB/s, Upgrade Storage for PC/Laptops, HMB Technology and Intelligent Turbowrite (MZ-V9E2T0B/AM) CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6400 (PC5 51200) Desktop Memory Model CMH64GX5M2B6400C32 240mm CPU Liquid Cooler,Water Cooler with Temperature Display Screen,240mm Radiator ARGB & PWM Case Fans,LGA115X/1200/1700/1366/2011 / 2066, AM5 / AM4 ,Black 2 Fan Slots (120 mm) Happy landings, Mike Eppright (KAAO)
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September 30, 20241 yr You are going for the Intel i9 14900 in spite of all the problems reported with this processor?? I am a long time Intel user and would like to do the same, but worried that Intel have not fully addressed the problems yet. They have released numerous bios updates to solve the underlying issue and it persists. I will not purchase my new system until after MSFS2024 is released in November and will continue to follow developments with the Intel problem, but at the moment I am reluctantly considering moving to AMD Ryzen. My system specs: Intel [email protected] - 5.2 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080, 32GB DDR4 RAM, Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler,1TB Seagate SSD, 4TB Seagate HD, Windows 10, Asus 32 inch monitor, Saitek Yoke, Throttle Quadrant, Rudder Pedals and Trim Wheel Sims: MSFS2020 Preferred Aircraft Black Square Bonanza, and Baron, A2A Comanche, PMDG DC-6, Red Wing L1049
September 30, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, JMEppright said: ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER OC Edition Gaming Graphics Card (PCIe 4.0, 16GB GDDR6X, HDMI 2.1a, DisplayPort 1.4a) TUF-RTX4070TIS-O16G-GAMING Intel Core i9-14900F - Core i9 14th Gen Raptor Lake 24-Core (8P+16E) LGA 1700 65W None Integrated Graphics Processor - BX8071514900F You do not need an i9 processor for a game, it is an enterprise level CPU made for commercial products like Autodesk, programming, photoshop etc. etc. You'll see negligble gains compared to a 14700k (with relation to it's price), just slight improvements with 0.1% lows and maybe 1% lows. Save money and pick a 7800X3D (You don't need a 7900X3D or 7950X3D). Or if you're patient can wait for the 9000 series X3D chips. Intel has yet to release a CPU that competes with X3D chips at a comparable TDP. Either way you'll see much better 1% and average frametimes than you would with the 14900k 9 hours ago, JMEppright said: SAMSUNG 990 EVO SSD 2TB, PCIe Gen 4x4 | Gen 5x2 M.2 2280, Speeds Up-to 5,000MB/s, Upgrade Storage for PC/Laptops, HMB Technology and Intelligent Turbowrite (MZ-V9E2T0B/AM) Unnecessary SSD for gaming needs. Something like a Crucial P3 is more than enough. MSFS isn't going to saturate SSD speeds anytime soon, not even games that use the DirectStorage do. 9 hours ago, JMEppright said: 240mm CPU Liquid Cooler,Water Cooler with Temperature Display Screen,240mm Radiator ARGB & PWM Case Fans,LGA115X/1200/1700/1366/2011 / 2066, AM5 / AM4 ,Black 2 Fan Slots (120 mm) Air coolers have come a long way in recent years and for this price point something like a Thermalright Peerless Assassin or Deepcool AK620 which trade blows with some liquid coolers. Though if you really want liquid, then a Artic Liquid Freezer II is a good shout. 9 hours ago, JMEppright said: Fractal Design Define R5 Black Silent ATX Midtower Computer Case This is a pretty old case by today's standard (still has slots for CD Drives). I'd suggest something like a Antec Flux, Fractal North, Fractal Torrent, Montech X3 Mesh. Obviously some of these are more expensive than what you chose but with the savings from changing out your CPU and SSD you should be good. 9 hours ago, JMEppright said: CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6400 (PC5 51200) Desktop Memory Model CMH64GX5M2B6400C32 Based on you choosing a 4070ti, I'm going to guess you're not gaming at 4k in which case I personally don't think 32GB is necessary. Another avsim member did a stress test at 4k running that absolute overtop amount of programs whilst simming and just barely broke 32GB of RAM. I'm going to hazard a guess that you wouldn't be doing all of this whilst simming. In which case 64GB really isn't necessary. Hopefully this helps you out 🙂 Edited September 30, 20241 yr by Lucky38i
September 30, 20241 yr Save money and pick a Ryzen 7800x3d with a x670e motherboard (AS Rock x670e Taichi is fantastic) and spend more on the GPU. Sorry I just looked and the Price on the 7800x3d is up about $200-300 atm. Edited September 30, 20241 yr by YukonPete Pete Richards I've owned every version of flight simulator since Flight Simulator 3.0 in 1988. Windows 11 Pro loaded on a 4TB Gen5 Crucial T700 SSD, 4TB Samsung 990 Pro SSD, Ryzen 9 7950x3d, AS Rock X670e Taichi Motherboard, Gigabyte Gaming RTX 4090 OC 24GB, 64GB (2x32GB) Viper Venom DDR5-6000MT/s, MSI 32" MAG 321UPX QD-OLED 260hz 4K Gaming Monitor.
September 30, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, AviatorMan said: You are going for the Intel i9 14900 in spite of all the problems reported with this processor?? I am a long time Intel user and would like to do the same, but worried that Intel have not fully addressed the problems yet. They have released numerous bios updates to solve the underlying issue and it persists. I will not purchase my new system until after MSFS2024 is released in November and will continue to follow developments with the Intel problem, but at the moment I am reluctantly considering moving to AMD Ryzen. I've been building my own PC's for 25 years, and I've used both Intel and AMD CPU's. I have no loyalty to one brand. I've been using the 7950x3d for a year without any complaints. I get great performance in MSFS2020, XP12 and P3Dv5. Pete Richards I've owned every version of flight simulator since Flight Simulator 3.0 in 1988. Windows 11 Pro loaded on a 4TB Gen5 Crucial T700 SSD, 4TB Samsung 990 Pro SSD, Ryzen 9 7950x3d, AS Rock X670e Taichi Motherboard, Gigabyte Gaming RTX 4090 OC 24GB, 64GB (2x32GB) Viper Venom DDR5-6000MT/s, MSI 32" MAG 321UPX QD-OLED 260hz 4K Gaming Monitor.
September 30, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Lucky38i said: You do not need an i9 processor for a game, it is an enterprise level CPU made for commercial products like Autodesk, programming, photoshop etc. etc. You'll see negligble gains compared to a 14700k (with relation to it's price), just slight improvements with 0.1% lows and maybe 1% lows. Save money and pick a 7800X3D (You don't need a 7900X3D or 7950X3D). Or if you're patient can wait for the 9000 series X3D chips. Intel has yet to release a CPU that competes with X3D chips at a comparable TDP. Either way you'll see much better 1% and average frametimes than you would with the 14900k Unnecessary SSD for gaming needs. Something like a Crucial P3 is more than enough. MSFS isn't going to saturate SSD speeds anytime soon, not even games that use the DirectStorage do. Air coolers have come a long way in recent years and for this price point something like a Thermalright Peerless Assassin or Deepcool AK620 which trade blows with some liquid coolers. Though if you really want liquid, then a Artic Liquid Freezer II is a good shout. This is a pretty old case by today's standard (still has slots for CD Drives). I'd suggest something like a Antec Flux, Fractal North, Fractal Torrent, Montech X3 Mesh. Obviously some of these are more expensive than what you chose but with the savings from changing out your CPU and SSD you should be good. Based on you choosing a 4070ti, I'm going to guess you're not gaming at 4k in which case I personally don't think 32GB is necessary. Another avsim member did a stress test at 4k running that absolute overtop amount of programs whilst simming and just barely broke 32GB of RAM. I'm going to hazard a guess that you wouldn't be doing all of this whilst simming. In which case 64GB really isn't necessary. Hopefully this helps you out 🙂 MS says 64GB for Ideal setup on MSFS 2024. More is better than less Edited September 30, 20241 yr by YukonPete Pete Richards I've owned every version of flight simulator since Flight Simulator 3.0 in 1988. Windows 11 Pro loaded on a 4TB Gen5 Crucial T700 SSD, 4TB Samsung 990 Pro SSD, Ryzen 9 7950x3d, AS Rock X670e Taichi Motherboard, Gigabyte Gaming RTX 4090 OC 24GB, 64GB (2x32GB) Viper Venom DDR5-6000MT/s, MSI 32" MAG 321UPX QD-OLED 260hz 4K Gaming Monitor.
September 30, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, YukonPete said: MS says 64GB for Ideal setup on MSFS 2024. More is better than less Did you actually read the last portion of my comment demonstrating why it would be pointless to do so? you being a PC builder yourself would know that the published spec sheet is wholly incoherent in all regards and should be taken with a grain of salt.
September 30, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, YukonPete said: Save money and pick a Ryzen 7800x3d with a x670e motherboard Unnecessary cost, there’s nothing here that would necessitate paying for the extra io capability. B650e would suit OPs more than enough for years to come
September 30, 20241 yr Commercial Member 11 hours ago, Lucky38i said: Unnecessary SSD for gaming needs. Something like a Crucial P3 is more than enough. MSFS isn't going to saturate SSD speeds anytime soon, not even games that use the DirectStorage do. I've owned a variety of SSDs over the years, and only the Samsungs keep working. The extra dollars are well worth the extra reliability IMO. Cheers Luke Kolin I make simFDR, the most advanced flight data recorder for FSX, Prepar3D and X-Plane.
October 1, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Luke said: I've owned a variety of SSDs over the years, and only the Samsungs keep working. The extra dollars are well worth the extra reliability IMO. Cheers Fair enough, I've had my fair share Sabrents, Kingstons and Crucials that have lasted over the years without issue. However it really depends on the model in question. Either way, OP can refer to borecraft on some guidance .
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