February 21, 20251 yr 9 hours ago, Daube said: PC users however, are highly unlikely to ignore the Community folder existence. many in the early days of release were being told there was no community folder and it was "cloud only" (not by me, but I saw the conversation), several people went from that to getting a refund. I've seen very recently a video of someone complaining they cant install anything from 2020 because the marketplace doesn't work yet.. next time i will comment they can. 10 hours ago, BostonJeremy77 said: Anything you didn't buy there goes in the Community folder. Does that include scenery? like how easy is it to drop a vegetation exclusion zone on an airport approach and properly place obstructions correctly? (when people complain there is e.g. a tall tree in the way of their approach). Probably the biggest "game changer" for my scenery install was being able to easily add the two water towers manually, they made simulating getting home a pleasure rather than a terrifying chore, that made a huge difference when I did my ppl practical exam in barely legal visibility because I knew I was only 4 or 5 miles from home ("maybe" 3 miles visibility) and exactly what course correction I needed to get there - simply by the placing of a nearby forest and set of fields I had seen maybe 100 times in the sim flying towards them. Edited February 21, 20251 yr by mSparks AutoATC Developer
February 22, 20251 yr Author People refer to it as cloud only because it does not allow offline mode like 2020, you can have addons in the community folder but if the connection fails the game stops and does not work. The tragedy of this is that if Microsoft decides to shut down the service you can throw away your copy of 2024 and all the addons you have purchased. That's why many people are calling for an offline mode. Edited February 22, 20251 yr by Aglos77
February 22, 20251 yr 15 hours ago, mSparks said: many in the early days of release were being told there was no community folder and it was "cloud only" (not by me, but I saw the conversation), several people went from that to getting a refund. There has been a rushed released, a many people rushing to buy it, and finally many rushed comments. Many people made comments without knowing or understanding what was going on, many people read these comments and rushed to conclusions without switching their brain on. It was a kind of fashion to be the first one to say "I'm getting a refund", so to say. Meanwhile, more educated simmers took the time to analyze and understand how the new sim worked, and went on with using it properly. But it was too late for many. 15 hours ago, mSparks said: I've seen very recently a video of someone complaining they cant install anything from 2020 because the marketplace doesn't work yet.. next time i will comment they can. Addons could be transfered manually. I even went as far as replacing my MSFS2024 community folder by a symbolic link to the MSFS2020 community folder, because I didn't want to waste space in duplicating the addon folders 😄 That being said, a good part of MSFS2020 addons were not yet compatible with MSFS2024, and could create stability issues. 15 hours ago, mSparks said: Does that include scenery? like how easy is it to drop a vegetation exclusion zone on an airport approach and properly place obstructions correctly? (when people complain there is e.g. a tall tree in the way of their approach). Yes. You can drop all addons, planes or scenery or avionics, object libraries or anything, into the community folder. Priority for overlapping scenery addons is defined alphabetically exactly like in XPlane (some addons have names starting with Zs letters to ensure they are underneath other sceneries). 15 hours ago, mSparks said: Probably the biggest "game changer" for my scenery install was being able to easily add the two water towers manually, they made simulating getting home a pleasure rather than a terrifying chore, that made a huge difference when I did my ppl practical exam in barely legal visibility because I knew I was only 4 or 5 miles from home ("maybe" 3 miles visibility) and exactly what course correction I needed to get there - simply by the placing of a nearby forest and set of fields I had seen maybe 100 times in the sim flying towards them. I think we all agree on the benefits of the added accuracy of the scenery for all sim purposes. I have no knowledge in scenery creation tools however, so I wouldn't be able to tell you how easy or difficult it is to create sceneries in MSFS. That being said, given the amount of freeware sceneries for MSFS, and the speed at which they appeared, I tend to think that it's quite easy to do.
February 22, 20251 yr Since yesterday night I've been installing AIG to the Community folder. I actually changed the default location of these and the other 3 folders that can be moved away from their default location, and mine is surely filled with stuff, great stuff !!! 🙂 @mSparks, don't be picky and join the gang @ MSFS - You CAN enjoy it !!! I love both !!! The Blonde and the Brunette 🙂 Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 22, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, Daube said: Yes. You can drop all addons, planes or scenery or avionics, object libraries or anything, into the community folder. Hmm, but I was asking how easy it is to make them to drop in the community folder in the first place. like for that "XP12 fusemount zipped scenery" video I posted, I made several of the zips using WED to fix the fact the source data available for flight sims to build their worlds is low quality, pointy clicky like this (taken from the WED manual): what is available from stuff like aerial photography and the (truly phenoominal) state of openstreetmap is a great start, but many places (not least airports, and approaches to airports) need far, far more detail than is available in bulk data, and simple missing items (like a pair of water towers) can make the difference between a day 1 rage quit and a decade+ of happy flight simming. I've seen exactly zero conversation around how to fix those issues for any other sim. 3 hours ago, jcomm said: join the gang @ MSFS - You CAN enjoy it !!! Microsoft had their chance, I was seriously considering buying an XBOX for a few years, now I do all my (non x-plane) gaming on a Quest 3S, I will likely buy a PSVR2/PS5 if/when I see one in a store I can impulse buy with the cash in my pocket, even uninstalled CSGO after 28 odd years of playing it..... Not only do I not have a windows machine, now no one I know has a windows machine, they all switched to mac in the last 12 months or so.... Edited February 22, 20251 yr by mSparks AutoATC Developer
February 22, 20251 yr Author 1 hour ago, mSparks said: Hmm, pero estaba preguntando qué tan fácil es hacer que caigan en la carpeta de la comunidad en primer lugar. Al igual que en el video "Escenario comprimido con montaje de fusible XP12" que publiqué, hice varios de los archivos zip usando WED para corregir el hecho de que los datos de origen disponibles para que los simuladores de vuelo construyan sus mundos son de baja calidad, con clics puntuales como este (tomado del manual de WED): Lo que está disponible en cosas como la fotografía aérea y el estado (realmente fenomenal) de OpenStreetMap es un gran comienzo, pero muchos lugares (en particular los aeropuertos y los accesos a los aeropuertos) necesitan mucho, mucho más detalle que el que está disponible en los datos masivos, y los elementos simples que faltan (como un par de torres de agua) pueden marcar la diferencia entre abandonar el juego el primer día y más de una década de feliz simulación de vuelo. No he visto ninguna conversación sobre cómo solucionar esos problemas en ningún otro Sim. Microsoft tuvo su oportunidad, estuve considerando seriamente comprar una XBOX durante algunos años, ahora hago todos mis juegos (no X-Plane) en un Quest 3S, probablemente compraré una PSVR2/PS5 si/cuando vea una en una tienda que pueda comprar impulsivamente con el efectivo en mi bolsillo, incluso desinstalé CSGO después de 28 años de jugarlo... No solo no tengo una máquina con Windows, ahora nadie que conozco tiene una máquina con Windows, todos cambiaron a Mac en los últimos 12 meses aproximadamente... You surround yourself with rich people jejeje
February 22, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, mSparks said: Hmm, but I was asking how easy it is to make them to drop in the community folder in the first place. like for that "XP12 fusemount zipped scenery" video I posted, I made several of the zips using WED to fix the fact the source data available for flight sims to build their worlds is low quality, pointy clicky like this (taken from the WED manual): You'd have to ask to scenery makers or watch some tutorials to see what they say about it. I'm not a scenery creator so I won't be able to say much on that topic 😕
February 22, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, Daube said: watch some tutorials Well, yeah... but several months in and no one seems to have gotten past... Which was the other thing that kept me believing you couldn't. 2 hours ago, Daube said: I'm not a scenery creator Me neither, not even close, I just enjoyed the experience of fixing up problems with x-planes default scenery enough to spend a fair bit of time playing at being a scenery creator. Edited February 22, 20251 yr by mSparks AutoATC Developer
February 23, 20251 yr Oh boy, you're pointing out the major issues with MSFS 2020 and 2024 streaming data ... the great defenders will come after you ... So basically turn OFF Photogrammetry to make the buildings look better but that is essentially going back landclass again ... or back to square one, the experiment failed. I've always felt landclass is the way forward due to obvious technology restrictions with streaming geo data ... but some think melted buildings look better? I still think the best scenery ever made for a flight simulator belongs to Orbx True Earth titles ... hand crafted.
February 23, 20251 yr Author 4 hours ago, CO2Neutral said: Vaya, estás señalando los principales problemas con la transmisión de datos de MSFS 2020 y 2024... los grandes defensores vendrán a por ti... Básicamente, desactiva la fotogrametría para que los edificios se vean mejor, pero eso es esencialmente volver a la clasificación del terreno... o volver al punto de partida, el experimento falló. Siempre he pensado que la clasificación de tierras es el camino a seguir debido a las obvias restricciones tecnológicas con la transmisión de datos geográficos... ¿pero algunos piensan que los edificios derretidos se ven mejor? Sigo pensando que los mejores escenarios jamás creados para un simulador de vuelo pertenecen a los títulos de Orbx True Earth... hechos a mano. Melted or burned buildings are not the least of PG's problems. The biggest problem today is that it confuses low shrubs and bushes for trees, if you add the totally disproportionate size of those trees you generate real jungles all over the planet including semi-desert or desert climates. Then there are the errors when interpreting ñ, oil deposits, greenhouses and that the PG barely covers a very residual part of the planet. Edited February 23, 20251 yr by Aglos77
February 23, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, Aglos77 said: Melted or burned buildings are not the least of PG's problems. The biggest problem today is that it confuses low shrubs and bushes for trees, if you add the totally disproportionate size of those trees you generate real jungles all over the planet including semi-desert or desert climates. Then there are the errors when interpreting ñ, oil deposits, greenhouses and that the PG barely covers a very residual part of the planet. Very TRUE ! I have come across really weird encounters due to that... They probably have cut the budget for AI... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 23, 20251 yr 18 hours ago, mSparks said: Well, yeah... but several months in and no one seems to have gotten past... Still focusing on that photogrammetry option ? We've said enough that it's an optional thing that can be disabled with a single click (which is what the video is speaking about). What's the point here ? How is that related to what we were speaking about before ?
February 23, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, Daube said: What's the point here ? How is that related to what we were speaking about before ? The point is we’re back to Landclass … something XP and P3D use for decades. Landclass is not a bad option if implemented well. Do away with photogrammetry entirely and remove streaming server reliance. Photogrammetry is a failed experiment and the sooner that’s admitted the better. How it relates to this thread is that XP is landclass base out of the box. Edited February 23, 20251 yr by CO2Neutral
February 23, 20251 yr Author 3 hours ago, Daube said: ¿Sigues centrándote en esa opción de fotogrametría? Ya hemos dicho bastante que es una opción que se puede desactivar con un solo clic (que es de lo que habla el vídeo). ¿Qué sentido tiene? ¿Qué relación tiene eso con lo que hemos comentado antes? But if it's the strength of MFS, it's like telling us to disable the X-Plane flight model and replace it with ace combat.
February 23, 20251 yr 41 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said: The point is we’re back to Landclass … something XP and P3D use for decades. Landclass is not a bad option if implemented well. Do away with photogrammetry entirely and remove streaming server reliance. Photogrammetry is a failed experiment and the sooner that’s admitted the better. How it relates to this thread is that XP is landclass base out of the box. It seems you're confusing a few notions here. Photogrammetry is not the only thing that makes the sim reliying on the server streaming. The whole scenery textures (and more if we look on the MSFS2024 side). So getting rid of the photogrammetry does not mean you get rid of needing server streaming. And beside this, what does MSFS uses when the photogrammetry is turned off, and how would that system be worse than the XPlane and P3D landclass systems exactly ?
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