1 hour ago, FPVSteve said:

I guess a demonstration of "why" is in your screenshot is that while it works it also shows the wiper blades clearing the screens without wipers actually being rendered, so it's not working perfectly. Unless you got it working, but again - more tinkering...

That's an early work, wipers clear the screen and the dry spots where the window posts would be now have rain on them as well. Far better than the star wars rain.

As far as the future, a lot of people are going to be disappointed when OpenGL becomes a thing of the past!

I am grateful for everything Austin has given us, I'm also grateful for MS2020/2024. That seems to have put L/R in overdrive, as a result we all win.

GL a thing of the past? Have you told Zink that yet? I'm sure it'd like to start planning now.

14 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Same holds true for reshade, they claim it introduces bugs/crashes. I've found with extensive testing that it is "NOT" reshade itself but the filters people try and use. Not all filters are compatible with XP12, nor are some filters compatible with other games/programs... But the easy paintbrush answer is it's buggy.

It's good that you know all that, but a blurry "some filters work, some do not" is just the paintbrush approach you're critizising. If you want to help Laminar and Reshade users, start investigating which exact filters do and do not work and write a guide for safe use of Reshade in X-Plane (do not forget the big, red "no support with Reshade running" disclaimer on the first page) and post it where it gets most public exposure. Although it (extremely likely) won't change Laminar's mind (why should they take responsibility for bugs in third party software used in their product?), I'm sure they'll appreciate having to click "Reject" on Reshade related bug reports less often.

5 hours ago, Bjoern said:

It's good that you know all that, but a blurry "some filters work, some do not" is just the paintbrush approach you're critizising. If you want to help Laminar and Reshade users, start investigating which exact filters do and do not work and write a guide for safe use of Reshade in X-Plane (do not forget the big, red "no support with Reshade running" disclaimer on the first page) and post it where it gets most public exposure. Although it (extremely likely) won't change Laminar's mind (why should they take responsibility for bugs in third party software used in their product?), I'm sure they'll appreciate having to click "Reject" on Reshade related bug reports less often.

Would take way too long to put together a list! You have multiple filters that are available and some filters don't interact well with others. So if one has a filter working just fine and introduces a second filter, the first may not work anymore. Its a time consuming process, but when you have hundreds of filters made by many people, things don't always work out for the best.

I can tell you the filters I use for my night lighting efforts, I've been using these for a very long time without issue.
                                                              Reshade 6.7.1 using the following filters: Colourfullness.fx - DPX.fx - Technicolor2.fx - Tonmap.fx

The package is available for download, although I made changes to XP12 lighting itself: https://x-plane.to/file/388/x-plane-12-night-lighting-edits

4.9 out of 5 stars with close to 20,000 downloads, if reshade itself were the actual problem and not the filters I wouldn't have such good results/score.

Big issue I see with some reshade profiles that are available, they use "WAY TO MANY FILTERS", XP12 isn't that bad where it needs much. This is more than likely where 80%+ of the issues people see come from. the other 20% are more than likely installation/folder issues.

Edited April 27Apr 27 by Mike_CFII_MEL

"Way too many"? That's horrific justification for trying to declare something stable enough to not cause the bug report statistics to slope back up.

Sounds like you need to do more evangelizing in all the other flight sim communities; teach the plebs how to make proper filter combos that won't CTD. Apparently you're the only person who knows how and you're obviously deficient in your teaching activities needed to regain unfettered reshade access.

29 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

"Way too many"? That's horrific justification for trying to declare something stable enough to not cause the bug report statistics to slope back up.

Sounds like you need to do more evangelizing in all the other flight sim communities; teach the plebs how to make proper filter combos that won't CTD. Apparently you're the only person who knows how and you're obviously deficient in your teaching activities needed to regain unfettered reshade access.

Someone trying to use a filter in X-Plane 12 made by someone for a game other than XP12 is "ZERO" justification for calling re-shade itself buggy or unstable! Nothing wrong with re-shade, it's people using filters made for other games where the problem exist. Until the powers to be realize this, they will continue to get it wrong!

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Depends on your country and the source of imagery, it's a bit more involved (in the US anyway) as USDA NAIP, IFTN, NDOP, OSIP (local state) are funded by us (tax payers) so the imagery is available for free as it should be.  Now packaging that data for use in a flight simulator is certainly a service which can justify being funded by users of the service.

Never have been a fan of ReShade (replacing DLLs that the developers of games/sims rely on is not a good idea, even more so for security considerations in this day and age).  All the ReShade functionality can be and should be provided "in sim" so as to be in the optimal execution of the graphics pipeline rather than forced as post-processing (aka ReShade) which can be an expensive (not always) hammer and chisel method to image adjustments (and a good way to cheat in online combat type games).  I think if LR want to stop it's usage, they will need to open the door (features in the graphics settings) to permit end user "adjustments" so as to be manageable. 

 

 

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- Yes, I mentioned NAIP and others above. But in the context of autoortho and mapenhancement which are using commercial sources, this is irrelevant
- There's quite a lot of that functionality available as datarefs already. If one were willing, they could find the full tonemapper controls. X-Plane is already rather exceptional in how much it lets you tinker

You know... I had this whole bit written out to explain things (laced in with some minor Elmer Fudd ranting, and thoughtful prose). But then I stopped when I realised that most of you nailed the critical thinking... and do understand what decisions are taken in context to the wider simulator.

 

We are not going to please everybody, but we are looking to serve everyone.

 

As for graphics... no one is exposed more to the sim than the folks at LR HQ. We want the sim to continue to improve 🙂

 

 

4 hours ago, DeltaWho said:

But in the context of autoortho and mapenhancement which are using commercial sources, this is irrelevant

They support both commercial and non-commercial.

Sure and drug dealers are good to keep around town because even though "way too many of them" sell drugs, some also sell chocolate?

May we invite a moderator to terminate this "discussion", which has strayed way off topic and into the realms of near-personal attack?

Not sure where you're seeing "personal attack" and it's still on the ortho topic for the most part. But aside of that, you're better off reporting posts that you find bothersome as opposed to "inviting" a moderator. They get the report notifications right away.

12 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

Not sure where you're seeing "personal attack" and it's still on the ortho topic for the most part. But aside of that, you're better off reporting posts that you find bothersome as opposed to "inviting" a moderator. They get the report notifications right away.

If you're going to quote someone get the entire quote!!! "near-personal attack"

I believe the sarcastic remark from litjan would count as near!!! "You are likely right, and the developers at Laminar are likely wrong, they disabled ReShade in error, I guess. They don´t know the next thing about coding and X-Plane, should have asked you for advice, I guess."

But when one is wrong as litjan is in this case... and has been show it's non compatible filters that are the issue with XP12 and not re-shade itself, todays go to response from most users is attack the user, try and ridicule or make nonsensical remarks as seen above with the drug dealers!

Funny how the go to response on XP discord channel when faced with a user having an issue with X-Plane stating its a bug... their go to statement that follows is "if it were a bug everyone would have the issue". Yet when reshade has users using it on a regular basis, they still claim bug. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways!!! 

35 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

If you're going to quote someone get the entire quote!!! "near-personal attack"

Near, far, wherever it are, the implication was the same. And there's no attacking. Just irrational logic from folks like you.

You're applying the same magimatics as anyone claiming that AO is not legally questionable simply because it offers access to legally-sound ortho sources in addition to the not-legally-sound stuff. That doesn't make sense.

You're the 1%. You found the filter recipe that will never ever cause a CTD (sarcasm there. you haven't. fiddling with the vulkan like that is never guaranteed to be unconditionally stable. ever.). The vast majority of users use filters that cause problems which means LR is justified in branding it unstable across the board. Statistically speaking for their support and dev efforts, it's a problem. The fact that most users use the bad filter combos in XP is your fault. You're not doing enough work to instruct the masses sufficiently to alter the statistics (which is never guaranteed at 100% in the first place, because playing with vulkan like that is fire in the first place).

Likewise, many folks likely use the legally-safe AO sources but that doesn't make the app legally-safe overall. It is still liable for shutdown exactly like the flightradar24 situation.

Similarly, just because some drug dealers might sell chocolate doesn't mean they're good to have around. Reshade offers dangerous filters and AO offers illegal ortho, which makes both problematic and subject to crackdowns.

Edited April 29Apr 29 by blingthinger

25 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

Near, far, wherever it are, the implication was the same. And there's no attacking. Just irrational logic from folks like you.

You're applying the same magimatics as anyone claiming that AO is not legally questionable simply because it offers access to legally-sound ortho sources in addition to the not-legally-sound stuff. That doesn't make sense.

You're the 1%. You found the filter recipe that will never ever cause a CTD (sarcasm there. you haven't. fiddling with the vulkan like that is never guaranteed to be unconditionally stable. ever.). The vast majority of users use filters that cause problems which means LR is justified in branding it unstable across the board. Statistically speaking for their support and dev efforts, it's a problem. The fact that most users use the bad filter combos in XP is your fault. You're not doing enough work to instruct the masses sufficiently to alter the statistics (which is never guaranteed at 100% in the first place, because playing with vulkan like that is fire in the first place).

Likewise, many folks likely use the legally-safe AO sources but that doesn't make the app legally-safe overall. It is still liable for shutdown exactly like the flightradar24 situation.

Similarly, just because some drug dealers might sell chocolate doesn't mean they're good to have around. Reshade offers dangerous filters and AO offers illegal ortho, which makes both problematic and subject to crackdowns.

It's not my job to train the masses, you want something bad enough.. make it happen, although it seems typical of todays thinking... wanting others to do the work! Now, unlike your drug dealers reshade isn't illegal!!!! 

Instead of Laminar claiming reshade is buggy, maybe they should be factual about the filter issues! I know L/R wouldn't want false claims about XPlane being buggy floating around social media, aren't other software companies due the same respect? If they did come clean about the filters, maybe they will get less reporting, seeing how users have a place to look for the issue. XP users may even begin to create filters for XP12 just as XP11 had filters.

Edited April 29Apr 29 by Mike_CFII_MEL