Tierborn

thats what I have been saying .... guess I need a commercial membership for you guys to hear me

Couple of points .. anyone can write comments on wikipedia .. Really, folks you should skip the wikipedia entry when you google and take the next one. Causal gamers have carried the MSFS flight aim franchise. Please remember that crimson skies is not MSFS. Dont understand your numbers ... 300 million in the US .... you still didn't provide any input to prove or disprove the estimate of 100k flight enthusiasts ... MSFS has sold millions .. there are not millions of flight enthusiasts .. so the combined sales of the causal gamer and the flight enthusiasts makes up the total sales numbers. Consider that there are millions of folks that own the title .. but have only spend a hour or two with it over the years .. the flight enthusiasts might send hourr or two daily. thats the difference.

very good .. very creative ...

yep . that was my point .. MS could never bring this case to court .... not with the 10min taxi guys 10 sec rant

you cant judge if it was a waste of his money ...

Hopefully you accidentally typed this response

Depends on what the person wants ... if you want a real license, yep better investment. If you want a grand flight sim experience from the comfort of you home .. then nope. I like flying simulations of the space shuttle .. but I dont want to be an astronaut.

At this point .. a "C" student law could have the case dismissed .... key element for slander in this case, is proof that MS was hurt financially for a piece of yet to be released software. Also, the 10 min taxi dude doesn't have the clout to be considered a reliable source and the "C" student lawyer would simply show that it was mostly just his opinion.

its very nice . but it would make for the ugliest living room on record

No one said the FS was a flop (in fact its just the opposite, the MSFS franchise has been a overwhelming success). .. Also, you are mixing your points. Whether you like something and whether something is a commercial success, are two different measurements. Lastly, you have to but on your marketing hat to understand this thread.... our little group "flight enthusiasts" are important to the franchise, but we are not the target market. GM might target the Cadillac to 40+ year olds .. but certainly people in all driving age groups will buy the Cadillac..... not the target market but still important. MSFS has sold millions of copies of MSFS ... do you think that our flight enthusiasts community is millions strong?

For the most part, the enthusiasts buy the yokes .... however, the larger portion of Saitek earnings comes from its joysticks and combat throttles. If yokes were as hot of an item, you would find them readily at any electronics store, just like you see the joysticks at any electronics store.

A couple of thoughs.. There is money to be made ... remember that saitek products can also be used for combat flight simmers (stuff blowing up). That market is larger that the civil flight sim market by many factors. Also, in the past MSFS got it largest number of sales from the casual gamer. The guy that likes planes but has only logged a couple of hrs on MSFS before getting bored and feeling like it might be more complicated that he/she thought. The purchase by the wife/mother that thinks her husband/son might interested (Christmas gift). My father and brother-in-law both have a copy but only collectively have about 2 hrs of flight time on the sim. For flight (2Q2011) MSFS is going for a trying a different approach ... build a sim that keeps both the causal and the hard core simmers interested and invovled the title for years to come. Translation . more sales

We are the flight enthusiasts .. what is there?, say 100K of us. There are millions of gamers out there ... MSFS would like to appeal to that group ... the target audience. MS has said that flight would have something for the casual gamer and the flight enthusiast..... so relax folks

It is true that you will experience a power drop off at high altitudes ... However, the reason aircraft become more fuel efficiency at higher altitudes is because drag on the aircraft decreases faster than the power drop-off. For example, an aircraft needing an 85% N1 setting to maintain 350kt at 12,000 ft. might only need a power setting of 60% at FL300 to maintain the same 350kts.

Dont anyone say its simple, its not rocket science .. because it is Its not just about the speed of the air being moved .. its also about the mass of the air being moved that creates the thrust. The thrust of the engine is equal to the fluid mass multiplied by the speed at which the engine emits this mass: (thrust) = mc

is saying crap, really a bannable offensive? If it is, there are a couple more thousand you will have to ban as well.

thanks for the clarity .. and i agree, what you describe would put them in the category of infamy.

Group hug

they do see what they are doing ... for some its always the other guy

its a hostile place ...... these guys dont want any new blood!

what event happened with the powerbacks that made them infamous?

commercial .. not civil

this is a hostile forum .. you get attacked (by xplane commercial members) and then they lock the threads....not exactly the recipe to get new xplane followers.

Wrong .... MS has officially said that flight will have something for everyone ... gamers and simmers. Why is this hard for people to accept?

yep .. his approach does completely kill any credibility.