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There's a big learning curb. It feels very different initially. FSX has features where you can fly almost immediately without having real skills or a lot of understanding about the dynamics. With X-Plane, you have to actually study and learn lots of dynamics and theory to get the action and be able to have a smooth flight. I'm still learning. I enjoy the journey. Don't fly as much as I used to, but might in the future. After my purchase of X-Plane, I didn't fly FSX any more. I put myself into a mindset of how it was initially with Flight Simulator as a beginner. It took me a little while to get the feel. So I decided to do the same thing with X-Plane. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Thanks. My experience in the Sim community has mostly been with FS9 and FSX. The only planes I used with the two sims were the C172 and the Boeing 737. I dropped Microsoft Flight Sim when Microsoft Dropped it. I always keep up with updates and upgrades, but didn't feel comfortably with something that appeared to have a bleak future. I believe both MS9 and FSX were featured and solid enough to last many years without updates. But again, it was my opinion to look into something that I could grow with. That is why eventually, about a year ago, I purchased X-Plane. Now, after a year, I'm starting to feel more conformable with X-Plane. With this comfort, I'm looking to have more of my past experience by bringing a 737 (with virtual cockpit) to my "new" environment. I'm sure I'll eventually start venturing out with other planes. I'm looking at the M80 that was posted on this site a few days ago. I had gotten pretty deficient in handling (taking off, landing, cruising) of the FS9 and FSX 737. I'm looking for the learning curb for X-Plane. That's why I was so specific with the 737. I experiment with the FMC, but only with the vasFMC programs. I mainly flew visual. I'm finding that X-Plane is requirement much more time, experience, and training, so this is a very different domain for me. I'll see where things takes me, and look into the 757. I appreciate the advice and input. And I am looking into keeping up with what is more modern. I'll also be looking at what is more common at the real airports. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Thanks, Fr. Bill. Confusing is an understatement. But I have lots of gaps, but they are slowly being filled in. So from your comment, it sounds (unless I'm misunderstanding) that I'm on pretty good track with the FlyJSim 732 TwinJet. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

I'm getting ready to purchase my first payware plane for X-Plane. I'm looking to get a 737 with a 3D Cockpit. It would be nice if it also had built in shared cockpit functionality. I understand the latter is unlikely for X-Plane because I haven't heard of it. Anyway I'm hoping to have recommendations from other experienced users of which ones to look at and why. So far I'm looking at http://store01.prostores.com/servlet/x-planestore/Detail?no=556 . I guess it's not exactly a 737, but it looks like one and the description says it's modeled off the 737. I"m very impressed with the looks of the 3D Cockpit. Thanks in advance for any input. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Sound now works in the replay mode. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Check out the fsd server software that VATSIM and IVAO is based on: You'll find it on the download section of http://flightsim.apollo3.com -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Yea. I probably should have mentioned that I'm coming from Microsoft Flight Simulator. I used it for years. I learn to fly all the planes in MSFS within a months time. I was easily flying the C172 in a couple of days. But X-Plane appears to require a real flight school. I've been working with it for about a year and can finally take off without problems. But still have problems with simple things, as you can see, like starting the engine. I didn't disable the feature of having the engine on when starting. I recently turned it off while until I was ready to start my flight. It was then that I realized that I couldn't start the engine and started this quest. I'm sure I can eventually get the mixture and everything up to par, but I was hoping to at least have an autostart feature like in MSFS so that I could compare what I stumble into through trial and error with the proper settings. I'm sure I'll eventually learn. And thanks for the help. Since the feature appears not to be in X-plane, I can move on and stop spending so much time trying to find it. Your input has saved me valuable time. Even though I'm practicing the details, I was still spending a lot of time trying to find the short cut. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

I like the M80. I haven't purchased a payware plane yet either. But looking at the Vitrual Cockpit, I'm sure this will be my first. Thanks for the heads up! I'll follow this thread and hope for an update when it's available for purchase. I'll update the thread myself if I catch the purchase availability first. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Thanks, James. That's a start. I'm excited about the prospect of being able to start X-Plane from a point of no engine running,. I see options for going thought a complex startup method of which I'll explore in the future. But at present I'm basically trying to just get in the air. Having the engine running before actually staring my session causes me to either be out of fuel when I start, or the plane drift from the desired starting position. Anyway, the C172 only has one engine. Of course the CTRL 2 doesn't do anything and the CTRL 1 will turn the engine, but it will only turn while you hold the CTRL 1 down. When you release it, the engine stops turning. Thanks for the input. With the topic live hopefully someone else will chime in. I'm still experimenting with the controls, and if I get it figured out I'll update the topic. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Can someone tell me the keyboard shortcut to start the C172 Engine? I thought it was control-E, but that changes the view. Thanks in advance for any input. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

I having tried to install the Windows version, but the 64 bit version for Windows, Linux and Mac are provided on the IVAO site. I downloaded the Linux version and had no problem installing, running, and connecting to IVAO with it. The Linux readme says put the contents of the for_plugins_folder into the Resources/plugins folder. That was all I did initially and like you, I didn't get the addon's menu. I exited X-Plane and added the libfmodex64.so file to the Resources/plugins folder and restarted X-Plane. This gave me success. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Hi, Gizmosellsbunnys. I didn't understand it before this thread. However, I believe I understand it now. Over the years I've seen a number of difference computers come and go. Some are the Radioshack Color computer, Radioshack's Tandy, Comodore, Attari, Apple, IBM, etc. There were always online resources for the variuos computers. So if someone when on line on the Atari sites and tried to discuss the great qualities of the IBM or Comodore, you'd get the same reaction that you describe. You can still get it now if you try to push IBM on an avid Mac site. If you invested your money and time to start a FSX site to discuss all things FSX (development, addons, etc.) you'd probably be distracted by someone string to start discussions of the merit and features of X-Plane. If you logged into VATSIM and tried to get support for using a different network or the builtin ATC of your flight simulator application, the group would like you know quickly that their site if for live ATC with the VATSIM controllers. There might be complaints about the way they are run, but I believe what you described should be expected. I would hardly expect to connect to X-Plane.org to discuss FSX. Someone already eloquently gave an analogy of taking a McDonald's burger into a Burger King's restaurant and possibly speaking about how good it taste. It's unlikely that they would be welcome. I would hope that they would have tolerance if you were speaking of a PMDG plane for X-Plane. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] ww.apollo3.com/~ljames

Thanks. I found the option. I'm sure that was the culprit. As I mentioned above, I'd come back and update after it was addressed. I didn't know it would be so simple. I expressed the problem and have it resolved. I hope other fans of .org appreciate that if I hadn't expressed it, I'd still have the messages. Thanks! I'm sure the messages are very much invited by most X-Plane diehards. They want to see all the latest that is available. There's a chance that I might develop into a deeper diehard and crave the the latest also. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Hi, pyoski. I expressed my appreciation in that thread for the support that is provided. I also expressed my appreciation in this thread for the support that they provide. I also understand work and attention that goes into software development and appreciate what Barbarossa does for the community. In this case, I was trying to get support for X-Plane the way it is in the box so that I could understand it. I do expect to eventually expand on hardware and software. But I tried to explain that I was looking to learn the bare dynamics of the X-Plane package. I felt very uncomfortable going further when I was given the software resolution. Barbarossa said to the group that I had ignored him. I hadn't. I had downloaded the software, and was comparing it to the virgin X-Plane. I was trying to have a learning experience with X-Plane. Andy is very helpful also. However, he said, "Don't feel bad - I suspect you're not alone." I was new. I thought I was talking to LR. I had to resolve to explore more of the details on my own. I figured out what I was looking for. No one in that thread was trying to market off me. I believe you thought, that was what I was saying. But it wasn't. My reference to marketing is the spam that I receive. Again, I used FSX in an after-school program teaching children to fly. I'm looking to do the same with X-Plane... the after school program, my friends and their families, as well as my Nieces and Nephews. So some of my questions are not die hard about getting the most advanced addons, hardware and software. I try to, for some degree, figure out how to use X-Plane in such a way that I can get others started. I was new, and suggested to get foot pedals as the least expensive way to go. Again, I thought it was LR telling me that I needed all that. I know now that a third party place might not be as devoted in delving as deep into the actually application as the developers themselves. X-Plane would be a component, then there would be the best, aircraft, the best scenery, and so forth. There are excellent tutorial on .org. I appreciate all the contributions and believe it's great. But again, I was taken abase when going over the tutorial it started out by suggesting to download (freeware) a different plane from the X-Plane's default C-172. I didn't understand why they didn't just put the components into the X-Plane distribution. This was my confusing because I thought I was on the developer's site. In this message I was responding to the need of LR to provide an official forum themselves so that the users could more easily get support for X-Plane itself without giving the impressing that they are brushing off the users who are suggesting workarounds. Because I was giving the impressing that I was brushing off the gracious people who were offering help, I didn't feel comfortable to ask questions about the built-in ATC, which I'm very interested in. I was about to ask questions, but I always research first. All the threads I found with buitin-ATC questions were brush off to the user, not to bother with it. Again, I as confused because I didn't understand why LR was telling their users not to bother with the features they were trying to provide to their customers. Again, no vendor tried to sell me anything on the forum. I'm bombarded with sells in email that is coming from the site. My reference to the forum itself had a lot to do with suggesting alternatives outside of X-Plane, and the people giving the suggestion showing (appearing to me to be showing) brushed off impressing if the suggestions weren't heed. By the way, I reread my message here, and I can see how it may have appeared more callous and ungrateful than intended. I appreciate your patience to give some benefit of doubt, as your reference, "As I read anyway". My message was an AMEN to the one I replied, as a suggestion and why LR should get a support forum. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames

Can someone tell me how to scroll the MOTD text you get when you connect XPlane to a server? Thanks. -- L. James -- L. D. James [email protected] www.apollo3.com/~ljames