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Greetings X-Plane community;

 

I was a long time FSX user and been on P3D for the past couple of years running now the most current version of it. I've invested a whole lot of money on add ons (Sceneries and pretty much all of their top third-party aircrafts), weather tools, and eye-candy tweaks. Yet I've still was never able to be completely satisfied with this really old platform (We all know P3D is basically still FSX). 

 

 

For quite some time now I've been keeping a very close eye on X-Plane's maturity and been somewhat eager to make the jump. After constantly following it's development via many very helpful YouTube channels, forums, looking at photos and watching the FlightSimCon2016 presentation online, I am more than convinced and I'm just about ready to make the dive and have an alternate sim. 

 

 

My question to you guys is, should I buy now, or wait for 10.50's final release? I purchased a new SSD today that will be dedicated solely to X-plane and I'm pretty much set. 

 

 

Also, I would like to know what are the top "must-have" 3rd party add ons I should consider getting for X-Plane as well since I'll will obviously be a "newbie".

 

Thanx in advance everyone!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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May as well buy now as 10.5 would be a free update.

 

I did.

 

However, with respect to immersion with things like ai traffic and atc, it's still on the level of fsx.

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I've had FSX 10 years longer than I've had X Plane. Fsx just seems BOULDER and BRIGHTER. and then there's that thing about the atc and no ground rain reflections. I'd wait to buy until at least after 10.5 has been released.

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X-Plane 10 is being updated to version 10-50 and 10-51 is on the horizon to add additional airports. There is no reason to wait as you will be brought up to the latest version as long as it is in the X-Plane 10 run.  X-Plane 11 will be a new purchase and will probably be about 1.5 to 2 years from now, so there is no advantage in waiting.  

 

As a flight simulator flyer since the very primitive days of the old Commodore computer era, I will say that X-Plane has provided more realism than any previous offering.  I never flew winter conditions in FSX except for some of the missions and maybe that's why I don't miss that and, while some give accolades to the ATC systems in FSX and P3D, I found them to be awkward and, while they provided some degree of realism, there was never a feeling of realism there. Microsoft came close to pulling it off when they came out with "Flight" a few years ago.  Scenery was excellent, dynamics were great, but they tried to turn it into a "game" as opposed to a simulator and lost their momentum. They started selling aircraft without cockpits and other "gamish" things. I lost all that as it was all downloads without the ability to save it to discs (at least none that I found).  Money wasted.  If FSX and P3D were not supported by third party developers, they would have been dead long ago. X-Plane is in constant development and that must be frustrating to developers, but there is a future.

 

As far as boldness and brightness, I find both to be realistic in X-Plane and looking back at FSX, I find it to be almost cartoonish in comparison.  Brightness is controlled through the gamma settings in the display settings section, but I find them to be about right in the default.  I guess it depends on the hardware you are using. And, above all, X-Plane 10 is 64 bit - no memory problems.

 

No simulator is perfect but, considering the fact that you can keep FSX/P3D (basically the same) on your computer where you can go back and get your fix, there is no reason not to move to X-Plane 10.  If you are like me (except probably not as old), you will find yourself going back less and less.

 

In case you haven't figured it out by now, I recommend X-Plane 10 highly.

 

John

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I've had FSX 10 years longer than I've had X Plane. Fsx just seems BOULDER and BRIGHTER. and then there's that thing about the atc and no ground rain reflections. I'd wait to buy until at least after 10.5 has been released.

The dull look of XPlane can be fixed with RealTerraHaze (free) and BluFX (free but hard to find) or its payware equivalent MaxxFX. Also, I don't think 10.50 will fix atc or rain reflections. 

 

OP, you're definitely making the right call! I got XP10 last December and I'm constantly amazed by the sim, especially the night lighting. Here are some addons I'd recommend:

 

Dreamfoil's AeroBoero AB-115- exceptional freeware (formerly payware) little Cub-like plane. Available on x-plane.org

 

FlightFactor 767- the best payware heavy jet. store.x-plane.org

 

LES Saab 340- A turboprop that I honestly prefer to the Majestic Q400- .x-aviation.com

 

SkymaxxPro- weather addon that helps with weather depiction: x-aviation.com

 

Real World Weather- another weather addon that helps with cloud placement: x-aviation.com

 

NOAA GFS Weather- freeware plugin that gives you real-world weather and a METAR query box: x-plane.org

 

Real Terra Haze (as I mentioned above)- a freeware plugin that lets you play around with atmospheric and light settings: x-plane.org

 

Any of the freeware airports by MisterX6 (x-plane.org). You'll be blown away by how detailed they are. 

 

Finally, check out Osamah Abdullah's YouTube page. He provides great guides, tutorials, and reviews as well as full flight videos in both XPlane and P3D: https://www.youtube.com/user/oalabdullah1/videos

 

Even though many people love XP10, it might not be for everyone. I'd suggest that you download the demo (it's time limited to 15 minutes and only has the Seattle area). Take some time to get familiar with it and play around with various freeware airplanes and scenery/atmosphere addons before you pick it up. 

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First of all, I want to thank you guys for the very helpful replies especially Old_As_Dirt and hamoody for the details of add ons I should consider. I will be reviewing as many add ons as I can. But in the mean time, I am convinced and will begin the preliminary purchases as of today. Once again, thanks gentlemen. Any additional recommendations by others is also welcomed as I am ready to build my X-plane world a step at a time.

 

Regards,

 

Efrain D.

 

 

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Just Do It!  And, don't look back - you won't be disappointed.  I'd bet most of the X-Planers out there followed the same path you did spending hundreds (and even thousands) along the way.  But, like you, have decided to stop contributing to money pit known as FSX.  Prepar3D is not as bad but, how many people move over because it's compatibility with FSX?  

 

Settling in X-Planeville is a smart choice given the other options.  Not a perfect community but a helpful and extremely giving one - you won't believe how many users share their developed add-ons for free (donate when you can).  Some of these complimentary add-ons are better than stuff you paid top $$$ in FSX and P3D (check out Mister X's KBOS).  

 

Indeed, there is a learning curve but it's short and before you know it you'll be messing around in WED customizing your own FS world!  AND - 10.50 hasn't even been released yet!  I don't know how you can go wrong with XP 

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Thank you Cjr60611. I just digitally purchased and now downloading X-plane as we speak, all while watching now a bunch of YouTube clips on how to set up controls, views, etc. So far not as daunting as I thought it would be. I guess what may kick my butt a bit is looking for the best rendering setups for my machine. I do have a pretty powerful rig I build less than a year ago (GeForce GTX Titan X, 34gig DDR4 Memory, Intel i7 6700K liquid cooled, and more). 

 

I am excited for this change. Over all, I've been using Flight Simulator since FS98' so this is definitely a big change for me.

 

By no means am I planning to completely abandon FS as of right away (Unless X-plane completely sucks me in deep and makes me forget everything else). Thus why I will be having both sims and their respective files on separate SSD's. 

 

Regards,

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By no means am I planning to completely abandon FS as of right away (Unless X-plane completely sucks me in deep and makes me forget everything else). Thus why I will be having both sims and their respective files on separate SSD's. 

 

That's a good thought.  I maintain both sims. That was my intention when I set up a system a year and a half ago. But then I've known X-Plane since it came about, in the mid 90's. Own versions 8 through 10. Had most of the demos before that. 

There are some very excellent freeware (donation ware)  airports for X-Plane as previously mentioned, and Mr. X is top line.  IMO, X-Plane is like MSFS 15 years ago, in regards to freeware. Lot's of freeware back then, but we can't expect the best talent to keep creating 

great material forever. I do donate, myself. 

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I keep going back n forth between X-Plane and P3D... I like P3D more because of the add-ons. But I certainly don't miss the 32bit and having OOMs.

 

Some thing I enjoy most about X-Plane is the night lighting, although not perfect, but it looks amazing. Just wish the night lighting extended into the horizon, hope they fix that.

 

And I don't like the quality of their tubeliners when compared to Aerosoft Airbus or PMDG. The interior cockpit just isn't on the same level and the systems as well. I really can't stand those ugly menus that hover on the side of the screen. Why can't they implement that into the CDU like on PMDG and Aerosoft Airbus. It's a much more intuitive approach. I also wish that there were native flight plan files that PFPX can export to for X-Plane that I can load directly into Flight Factor's 777 or JarDesign's Airbus. No GTN support, no AI add-on that I can just install and go. Although World Traffic is nice, I just don't like how you have to fiddle with WED and make taxi routes and all that just to get it to work. Once those things are resolved and improved, I will switch back. But for now I'm enjoying P3D a lot.

 

Enjoy X-Plane, it has great potential though.

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Can't help but notice that people have been FLOCKING to X-Plane recently  :dance: !!!

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Can't help but notice that people have been FLOCKING to X-Plane recently  :dance: !!!

 

It's a good time to be an X-Planer! Now I just hope and wish they would do an overhaul of the game's weather, then I would ditch P3D completely. 

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It's not bad but I just feel it leaves a lot to be desired.

 

I know what you mean. However I'll take X-Plane's real puffy "through-flyable" 3D clouds over P3D's "textures" any day.

 

SkyMaxx 4.0 will come, and along with better GPU's, it's only a matter of time until X-Plane will trump the old sim in that respect. Same goes for Ai / ATC with World Traffic 3.0+.

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I love it and hate it. The airliners are just not of the same caliber as those available on P3d or FSX. The GPS is nothing like the Flight1 GTN 650/750. There are no GA aircraft like anything A2A produces. Finally support is not great from 3rd parties; I have had a terrible time with the SSG Emb 170 without any support from the developer other than telling me its me and my system. However, in general xplane does run better, doesn't have OOM issues and has a much better camera system (I hate hate hate EZDok, but what else is there?). 

 

If you make the switch, get the PMDG DC-6, which runs great out of the box, has a fantastic automated flight engineer to handle the intricacies and is a joy to handfly.  Others to considers are the SAAB, or maybe ixeg 737, though it has issues. Rotate's MD80 is fun though its missing some key features. 

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There are no GA aircraft like anything A2A produces. 

 

What's your take on the REP packages and the AFL 172 in comparison to A2A?

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You make an interesting point. I havent flown them primarily because I would have to buy a carenado plane, but I have read good things. Vflyte's cherokee isnt bad either. I just havent been disappointed with anything from A2A but it does seem as if these offerings are closing the gap.

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Can't help but notice that people have been FLOCKING to X-Plane recently  :dance: !!!

 

Lol!  It sure feels that way!  

 

I kept both P3D and X-Plane for about two weeks and decided "screw it" and have been 100% X-Plane since.  I miss somethings about P3D and FSX but, mostly it's the ORBX scenery, Aerosoft and PMDG add-ons I enjoyed not the actual platforms.  After close to 20 years of FSX then periods of dabbling in P3D, X-Plane seemed to be a natural progression for me.  I guess it is for others as well...  

 

I think what X-Plane is lacking in can only be resolved by more people converting to the platform.  That will get the attention of developers.  They will then go where the potential revenue resides, naturally...

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There's a big learning curb.  It feels very different initially.  FSX has features where you can fly almost immediately without having real skills or a lot of understanding about the dynamics.

 

With X-Plane, you have to actually study and learn lots of dynamics and theory to get the action and be able to have a smooth flight.

 

I'm still learning.  I enjoy the journey.  Don't fly as much as I used to, but might in the future.

 

After my purchase of X-Plane, I didn't fly FSX any more.  I put myself into a mindset of how it was initially with Flight Simulator as a beginner.  It took me a little while to get the feel.  So I decided to do the same thing with X-Plane.

 

-- L. James

 

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I recently got XP back up and running. 

 

Tried to go back to P3D but the night environment and the hard line/short distance autogen (introduced back with 3.1 I think) just kills it for me.

 

I thought OpenLC NA was going to be a difference maker to switch me back, but it really wasn't. 

 

Like I tell everyone new to XP, just take the time to get things right. There's literally so much free stuff that you can get by with just spending $100 or so on addons and be set (a good payware plane + skymaxxpro). If you need tips on what plugins I've found essential, let me know. 

 

Now, what you like is a major point as well. I like to fly GA in XP, so the lack of decent AI and ATC doesn't bother me that much. 10.50 is supposed to of improved the ATC but I haven't tried it yet. And there's addons like you need with P3D as well.

 

Someone mentioned no GTN...X-Plane's native 430/530 is really good. You can update the database and actually fly current GPS approaches. I haven't found any features I need that it's lacking to perform up to date RNAV procedures (and I use a 430 in a real life all the time). So yeah, it's not 100% functional, but it's 10x better then FSX's native GPS and is actually useful for real life training. 

 

For P3D, I basically can't fly it anymore unless I'm in an Orbx region. It's just too lacking in too many respects. 

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You make an interesting point. I havent flown them primarily because I would have to buy a carenado plane, but I have read good things. Vflyte's cherokee isnt bad either. I just havent been disappointed with anything from A2A but it does seem as if these offerings are closing the gap.

I like the vFlyte Cherokee & Flight Labs (?) Cessna 172 as well as A2A's products, because I don't care about the airplane maintenance features that are incorporated into the A2A machines.  I owned & performed aircraft maintenance in real life for many years, as well as aircraft building;  so I just no longer care to do it sim wise. For others, I'm sure it's a nice feature.  In fact, in regards to flight dynamics, these are the first GA, in addition to a few Carenado products, brought from FSX & redone for X-Plane, that I've really enjoyed flying.  For years, X-Plane was too unstable, and required too much trimming, especially in roll.  Some simmers just had the thought that FSX was too easy, while X-Plane required more skill, patience, or whatever. More a challenge, they would say.  To me, it just felt like annoying out of rig airplanes. Seriously!  Part of my thing in real life, was fixing out of rig airplanes.  Regardless of all that, IMO, X-Plane is really getting there. I have realistic flying GA, to go along with excellent desert & mountains, provided by X-Planes programming, and some 3rd party help. It's just wonderful topography.  Throw in the night lights, and Mr. X airports, and it's great!

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As far as the xplane gns 430, its ok. There are no STARs or SIDS and the interface is a little clunky, but its true, it works ok. Weather in xplane is frustrating, I have skymaxx pro, but its not the same as AS. The feeling of descending through a solid overcast is just not replicated in XP.  

 

Each update of XP may be an improvement, but it also breaks many addons. My FF 767 hasnt worked since I updated to 10.50.

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