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Hi all, i just want to know if any of you guys know a free route compiler for the 744 FMC. Tried "fsroute" http://www.fsroute.com/ but for a reason i cannot load the plan that i created/downloaded from fsroute.So is there any other route compiler that is free..I just dont want to spend so much time for keying like 80 waypoints/fixes on the FMCI'm not a really serious simmer kind of person here. Please help dont want to be stuck on using the default FS9 planner and GPS flight. I just want to utilize the great use of the 744 FMC. Thanks in advance,Monnette Ara

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When you use any free route planner be careful and try it first if it gives you "reasonable" answers. I recall some free route planners I tried before would give you often silly flight plans specially on long-haul flights. For example KLAX-VHHH route was almost 1000 miles longer than necessary .. and then you are running out of fuel ;)I personally love this place: www.flightaware.com which gives you absolutely airline-realistic flight plans even accurate to specifc date. But unfortunately this site has nothing to do with flight simulation - you will have to retype this flight plan in your FMC.By the way, when you look at some of those real flight plans - they don't use "80" fixes - the flight plans look much more compact than what simmers often come up with. This was my major gripe with some free planners - many of their routes were way too complicated.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/pmdg_744F.jpghttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-beta.jpg

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>I personally love this place: www.flightaware.com which gives>you absolutely airline-realistic flight plans even accurate to>specifc date. But unfortunately this site has nothing to do>with flight simulation - you will have to retype this flight>plan in your FMC.They're not just realistic, they ARE the real flight plans being flown by airlines. That site can pull up the IFR route for any commercial and most private flight in FAA airspace...I've found www.simroutes.com to be good for FS/VATSIM related stuff though.

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thanks both of you guys answered my prob..i gonna try the last suggestion since its free.. :-)monnette

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It's not perfect by any means but when you're trying to get from "Never been there" to "Way far away" with an ocean in between, it will at least connect the dots for you. The NAT's feature is pretty useful when crossing the pond. Given the cost of it, I don't think I'll be asking for any refunds. Jay EklundCAT VI Senior Captain KDENhttp://online.vatsimindicators.net/812321/764.png

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>feature is pretty useful when crossing the pond. Given the>cost of it, I don't think I'll be asking for any refunds. Being free is its only redeeming quality. I just tried it to generate me a flight plan between KSFO and EGLL. It came up with 51 fixes, real flight plans on this route rarely exceed 31 fixes. Not to mention that it put OAK as the first waypoint out of KSFO which is nonsensical to say the least (I asked for no SID/STARS). My point is that there are other free flight planners that at least give you a flight plan in the right ballpark.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/pmdg_744F.jpghttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-beta.jpg

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michael j,which other free flight planners are you speaking of? would you be willing to share?thanks.james

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My Greetings to all Captains,Well, I can see there is a lot of discussion going on here re free flight planners. I personally use OFPlan.net which not only does provide me lots (more than 1300) realisic (!) flight plans stored in its database but also a feeling to try myself as a real flight dispatcher, i.e. it gives me an opportunity to construct the route from the very beginning starting from SIDs, calculating and defining the en-route waypoints given the up-to-date weather info from www.aviationweather.com (in pdf format) and also completing the route with reasonable (adjusted) STAR, etc. etc. It's a way to learn planning manually which is very important for me as i'm a rabid supporter of a realistic flightsim environment, i.e. i like pretending to be a real pilot behind my PC :(Good luck!Rustam

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Used correctly, and in the european region, Routefinder provides you with very real routes. I can guarantee you that.but mind: USED CORRECTLY!I do see that in the US there are alot of preferred routes, there's even a database with those so why bother.For planning f.e. LAX - VHHH, try letting routefinder plan up to you 'entrypoint in oceanic airspace' and from the 'exit point of oceanic airspace' up to VHHH. Over the Ocean you either use the PATS or a random route segment which you can choose yourself.Best regards

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>Used correctly, and in the european region, Routefinder>provides you with very real routes. I can guarantee you that.I accept your guarantees. If it works well in Europe that's good to know, but I happen to fly 95% of time in the USA and I can guarantee you it doesn't provide you with real routes on this side of the Atlantic and this includes any overland portion of trans-oceanic routes.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/pmdg_744F.jpghttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-beta.jpg

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I still think www.ofplan.net is the best. It takes a bit of practice, but you will have more control over the route.

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>I still think www.ofplan.net is the best. I kind of like the idea of using real flight plans instead of "generated" ones. The only thing you have to watch out for is using winds compatible with this flight plan (which was prepared for a given date). If you are flying with no winds then a "generator" would be fine but no generator that I know of (including payware) will properly account for winds when generating a flight plan for you. Winds have significant effects on how airlines do their long distance flying even on trips as short as 1000 miles.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/pmdg_744F.jpghttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-beta.jpg

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>>I still think www.ofplan.net is the best. >>I kind of like the idea of using real flight plans>instead of "generated" ones. The only thing you have to watch>out for is using winds compatible with this flight plan (which>was prepared for a given date). If you are flying with no>winds then a "generator" would be fine but no generator that I>know of (including payware) will properly account for winds>when generating a flight plan for you. Winds have significant>effects on how airlines do their long distance flying even on>trips as short as 1000 miles.Mike,Real World pilots do use the routes that can be "generated" here. The only difference is that in the RW, a Dispatcher will provide the best route based on winds. Sounds like you want more of a dispatch than a planer. Luckily, OFPlan has a dispatch for the B747.There is a drop-down radio button on the dispatch form that will allow you to select Real World weather/winds (vice PS1 which this website was originally designed for) in which fuel calculations will be made. You are free to change your route to meet the wind requirements. I have used this website MANY times for flights from Icheon and Narita to LAX and has been VERY accurate by all accounts.Just my two-cents....

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>The only difference is that in the RW, a Dispatcher>will provide the best route based on winds. Correct and it is a very big deal. Dispatcher often have specialized Jeppesen software that produces wind-optimal routing. >You are free to change your route>to meet the wind requirements. Ted, that's the crux of the matter. It is impossible to do it correctly "manually". It is impossible to guess the wind optimal route - it can differ too much from the original route and number of permutations is huge and the correct answer if often impossible to see for a human 'computer'. Yes, you can make it a trial-error exercise and spend the whole afternoon on it but frankly I know better ways using my time. I have seen wind-optimal routes and they often differ substantially from GC routing. Anyway, I am not sure why would I want to go through all the hassle and guesswork when I can get real flight plans, dispatcher "validated" for free and be done. Again, just my 2 cents./PS. By the way if your ever pay a vist to any ATC Center that handles some transoceanic flights (difficult to get in after 9/11) please stop at their desk where wind optimal routings are generated (they use this to advise trans-oceanic pilots who ask for this service). You would see that often it means going hundreds of miles off the customary track. I have seen this at OAK center - quite a sight.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/pmdg_744F.jpghttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-beta.jpg

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>Ted, that's the crux of the matter. It is impossible to do it>correctly "manually". It is impossible to guess the wind>optimal route - it can differ too much from the original route>and number of permutations is huge and the correct answer if>often impossible to see for a human 'computer'. Yes, you can>make it a trial-error exercise and spend the whole afternoon>on it but frankly I know better ways using my time. I have>seen wind-optimal routes and they often differ substantially>from GC routing. Anyway, I am not sure why would I want to go>through all the hassle and guesswork when I can get real>flight plans, dispatcher "validated" for free and be done....except I know of no place to get free, validated dispatched flights plans for simulation use.>/PS. By the way if your ever pay a vist to any ATC Center that>handles some transoceanic flights (difficult to get in after>9/11) please stop at their desk where wind optimal routings>are generated (they use this to advise trans-oceanic pilots>who ask for this service). You would see that often it means>going hundreds of miles off the customary track. I have seen>this at OAK center - quite a sight.I'm quite familiar with NATS/PACOTS routing...of which you can still work into your plan.I guess I'm perplexed by the amount of "labor" you seem to feel in your planning. The free Routefinder and FSBuid2 (payware) can both take into account the Real World, really active NATS or PACOTS routings.Short of actually working for an airline with all the tools the airline has access to, I don't think you're going to find anything else closer on the web...especially for free.

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>...except I know of no place to get free, validated dispatched>flights plans for simulation use.why does it have to be "for simulation"?www.flightaware.com >I guess I'm perplexed by the amount of "labor" you seem to>feel in your planning.We are not communicating Ted, but like I said I got exactly what fits my needs and don't see I can get anything better.Michael J.

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>why does it have to be "for simulation"?Because there are no RW commercial dispatch tools that are offered online for free. If a RW tool existed online for free, why would ANY commercial airline pay the remarkable price they do for thier flight planning tools? There are fee driven online flight planners for GA aviation, but certainly not for commercial airlines.And, I'm certainly not knocking your choice for choosing Flightaware. It's just that Flightaware is not a planning nor dispatch tool. It's just a flight tracking website that so happens to show the filed flight plan for a given flight at that moment. Leaves one short for "planning" purposes.>I kind of like the idea of using real flight plans instead of "generated" ones.Perhaps what you mean is Real Time flight plans?

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I tried the http://rfinder.asalink.net/free and able to get a flightplan.but next step is how to export th eplan into the 747 FMC.oopps but wait...a friend of mine recommended to use www.fsroute.comto export/compile my flightplan to PMDG route format which is *rt2.But to my surprise after downloading the compiled route plan from www.fsroute.com it was in *rte format....So does anyone have experienced with fsroute or can teach me how to change the *rte to *rt2???I tried renaming *rte to *rt2 but it also doesnt work...thanks,monnetteCX089Cathay VA

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