Aeroperu 603 - What Would You Have Done As Crew?

[Guest B1900 Mech]

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[Guest Mark McG]

Jim,Interesting. 1st use what Instruments were functioning - that would be the EHSI, the EICAS, the IRS the NAV instruments and the Radio Altimeter and Standby Compass.Then find the MSA for the area. and make sure I was in an area that I could stay above the 2500ft start for the Radio Altimeter. Use the Flight with unreliable Airspeed Indicator Charts from the QRH to set the power. Set the IRS to read the Groundspeed. Fly Headings using the compass, and get vectors back for an ILS approach. What compounded the problem in the Aeroperu accident was that the crew got confused/sidetracked by other systems failing as a result of the blocked static ports.

[DShutt]

I would come back a a hideous spectre and haunt the jerks who taped over the static ports....Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339

[r_stopnicki]

This was a horrific accident in which many people lost their lives and for which, I am sure, many families are still grieving. Anybody who had an opportunity to see the TV documentary on the accident, in which parts of the tape recorder are played, would realize the initial confusion and final terror that the crew was exposed to.I am sure that we can all find other subjects to entertain ourselves, without having to resort to these terrible incidents.Roberto Stopnicki

[Guest B1900 Mech]

Yes, I was Thinking fly pitch/power,EADI groundspeed. Why didnt they follow a no airspeed/altimiter QRH, or memory Item? Very scary!

[Guest B1900 Mech]

Roberto, as Iam sure you are new to aviation, We who have been in this field, myself since 1972,when I started washing and waxing airplanes as a kid, take no pleasure in these topics, other than to learn. As an Airline mechanic, I have had to deal with mistakes where I work, that had tragic outcomes. We cannot stick our heads in the sand, but must discuss and share all info. Sorry If my post offended you! :-)

[DShutt]

Yes, my bad as well Roberto - it was not my intent to make light of the accident. Though, this is what I did.Sincerest apology.Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339

[PLazarus]

Hi,I live in Lima, and know people who were on that flight. I would like to say that I am in no way offended by this post.The boyfriend of a friend of mine was also rostered captain of that particular flight, however something happened and he took a sick day... think how he should feel!Cheers,Paul ( SPIM )

[gosta]

This would seem logical, but there seems to have been some confusion in the cockpit as to which instrument actually had failed. Maybe there is a case for including some more in-depth electrical/mechanical troubleshooting courses in pilot training programmes.Cheers,Gosta.http://www.hifisim.com/images/as2betateam.jpg

[r_stopnicki]

Hello Jim: Thank you for your response. Just to give some context. I am OLD! I am actually sooo old, that little old ladies offer me their seats on the bus. I got my PPL in 1977. A significant part of my professional life was dedicated to the design to airports' airsides. In my spare time, I build and fly (and often crash) radio controlled scale models. In my other spare time I am a simmer. I started flight simulation when a 15 inch black-and-white monitor was a really big deal. I fly on VATSIM regularly, and I am also a controller, with a rank of INS. I am most definitely an aviation fan, square, geek and nerd. I understand the need to share our ideas in this forum. I have the pleasure of personally knowing many of the people that post here and I learn everyday from their messages, their comments and their humour. I must confess that I must have misunderstood your original message, because it ended with a checklist that included "colon=evacuate" as its last line. I now realize that it is likely a footer/banner, rather than part of the message itself. If I am a bit oversensitive on this matter, it is because a friend of ours lost a relative on that particular tragedy. Thank you for your apology.Daryl, thank you for yours too.... although I still intend to slap you on the back of the head, when I see you on Nov 6's Charity Flight. Roberto PS Just as a matter of information, a Senior 757 Captain who was part of the investigation team, concluded that there was nothing in the trainig of the crew or the manuals available to them that could have assisted them during the crisis. Because of the covered static ports, they had every emergency bell going off at the same time. In addition they had contradictory information being thrown at them. For example, the stall warning horn and the overspeed warning were on at the same time.....

[DShutt]

Roberto,I won't be on the team this year for CharityFlight. I will be flying remotely from my home in Vancouver.The slap on the back of the head will have to wait until another day I'm afraid.Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339

[Guest AirRyan]

While it is easy to armchair quarterback, I certainly would have crossed a point before hitting the water when I would have determined that my gauges are not to be relied upon. I know what throttle settings the levers need to be in for straight and steady flight, and I am confident that with my sim time alone I would have been able to at least get that plane to the field. On top of that, while I know the static ports are high off the ground, but I also know how it is to be certain that they are clear and free. If maintenance was done on my craft between the last flight, I always double check the area for anything that might not be right. I was a mechanic in the Marines on CH-46E's and so I can understand the maintenance perspective and that not all mechs were intially disciplined like we were in the Marines.

[r_stopnicki]

Daryl!I am sorry that I will miss you. My son Dan, who you met last year, was also looking forward to see you again and chat a bit about films and such.We'll meet next time.Roberto(PS: consider yourself slapped :-))

[michal]

>I would come back a a hideous spectre and haunt the jerks who>taped over the static ports....These were not jerks .. aircraft was being painted and the ports had to be covered. The 'jerk' was whoever failed to remove those tapes. Also the crew had a share of the blame - any preflight inspection (simple walk-around) would have revelead the problem. Aircraft was freshly out of painting - you should ALWAYS be twice as vigilant when aircraft is out of some sort of maintenance/service. I was once flying an Archer and I was first to fly it after its regular annual. And sure enough - mechanic failed to reconnect one spark plug.Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2, Omega 2.7.90 (4xAA 16xAF)

[DShutt]

No, you're right they aren't jerks... but then hideous spectres don't exist either, so... well, unless you count Joan Rivers, that is.Daryl ShuttleworthDS 3339