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Strange view change "ghosts" w/FS9.1 and GF6600GT

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Hi all...last night I bought and installed a new BFG GeForce 6600GT OC in my Athlon XP 2500 based-system, to replace a rather anemic FX5700LE that I had. I uninstalled the nVidia drivers and installed their newest 71.xx version from their website. I'm very pleased with the 6600GT's performance so far, but I have a problem.After a few minutes of flying, I find that whenever I attempt to bring up a popup window (in 2D or VC), or switch 2D <-> VC, or pull the cursor down to the taskbar (I run 1280x960 windowed), I see a split-second flash of an image of the front 2D cockpit, and then everything is fine. As a rule, it seems that the longer I go between view switches, the more obvious the "flash" of the cockpit image is. I can switch into/out of spot and track views, no problem, and everything else seems to work fine, but this "ghost" image of the 2D cockpit flashes up for one or two frames when I try to bring up a pop-up, or go back and forth between cockpits, or go to the taskbar. It seems to happen in many different planes; the default C172, the FSD Porter, and the PMDG Express Beech 1900C so far.I tried unchecking "render to texture," that seemed to help it last night, but now it's back again. I've tried messing with a few other settings in FS2004, making sure that my AGP aperture size is set to 128 MB (same as the card), and turning antialiasing and anisotropic filtering on and off from the nVidia control panel, none of which seemed to have any effect. Any 6600GT users got a clue what I can do to fix this?System: Athlon XP 2500 on an Asus A7N8X DeluxeVideo: BFG Tech Geforce 6600GT factory overclocked (525 MHz) 128 MB AGP 8xSim: FS2004 with SP1O/S: Windows XP SP22x antialiasing, 2x anisotropic filtering set through the nVidia control panel.Thanks!Lewis "Moose" GregoryRichmond, Virginia

Lewis "Moose" Gregory

Durham, North Carolina

I have a similar issue with the newer Nvidia drivers with my 6800 in that I get an extreme zoom in of my FS 3D screen whenever I move my mouse over something that displays a tool tip in my secondary monitor. This specifically occurred with the 71.90. Is your issue tool tip related?Last night I tried out the 76.50 drives, but found that I was getting a ghosting of a previous 2D cockpit screen whenever I moved my mouse over certain gauges of the same cockpit. eg. I was on descent through FL230, but when I positioned my mouse as described the Altimeter would show 37500ft while ever the mouse was in that position. Very wierd and too distracting for my flying liking.I have since reloaded the drivers that came with my video card (66.81) and all ghosting stretching issues have now disappeared. Sure, my 3DMark05 score has dropped quite a bit, but FS performance is the same and I don't recall the last time I played 3DMark05 :-lol Based on my experience, I suggest you try some older drivers from the 6X.XX series.Gary

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I have the same problem. My video card is a BFG GeForce FX5950 Ultra. I had been running old drivers (61.XX) and while the sim ran well, my scenery wasn't the sharpest. I really never noticed until I cleaned the old drivers out and installed the 71.89 set. It was like getting a whole new computer. The images were the clearest I've ever seen. However, after a few minutes of flying, I started having the same problems as you. I tried dozens of drivers but had to go back to the old ones with the "blurry" scenery. Now I'm sad. Had a taste of the good life but it was taken away. I posted in several forums but no help was offered. I thought getting a 6800 card might be the only way to resolve the situation but after your post, I'm not so sure.Michael

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Well, that's what I was afraid of. I tried 76.45 today (from www.3dguru.com) and that was a total non-starter, any view change caused weird split images of the 2D panel to appear at the bottom of the screen. At least I can fly with 71.89, it's more an annoyance than a serious problem.My issues are tooltip related as well, anytime a tooltip pops up can cause the same ghosting or flashing as popping up a popup window or going 2D <-> VC.Looks like I'll have to dig up a 6x.xx WHQL certified set of drivers and give those a shot, and keep an eye on nVidia for a new set to hopefully fix the problem--or else live with it. Even with this, going from the FX5700LE to the 6600GT has been an amazing experience...I doubled my frame rates.Lewis "Moose" GregoryRichmond, Virginia

Lewis "Moose" Gregory

Durham, North Carolina

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Update: I tried 66.81 and while the screen flickering on a pop-up went away, when I loaded my Level-D 767, I got the extreme zoom-in problem whenever a tooltip was displayed, the same problem I had with 76.45. That rendered the screen unusuable. 71.89 gives me the flickering on view changes or pop-ups or tooltips, but at least it's just a momentary flash and not a total hosing of the screen. So at least for me right now, unless another solution pops up, 71.89 is the best of a bad lot.Lewis "Moose" GregoryRichmond, Virginia

Lewis "Moose" Gregory

Durham, North Carolina

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Hi I beleve this has some thing to do with Antialising , i get a similer thing with it enabled ( via the Nvidia control panel) and some times if i use 8XS AA the A/C image dissapears in the A/C select screen .. its just a black panel were the A/C is , when i turn off AA then its all fine ... just my 2 cents worth. Rich

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All very interesting as I have exactly the same problems with a recently purchased MSI 6800. I tried all 7x.xx drivers [including Guru] with no luck and have reverted to the 61.77 drivers. Even with these, I have the following;a. AA set at 8x at the graphics control panel; AA off at FS9 - all okb. No AA either at graphics control panel or FS 9 - all okc. Either AA on at FS 9 OR any manual setting of AA less than 8x - lots of flashing when FS9 is loading [if full screen mode is selected] and flashing when selecting or deselecting "Alt" in full screen mode.So the problem appears tied to AA and I also suspect the the N Force 2 mobo that I am using [A7n8X-E De luxe] I had similar problems with my previous card [TI 4400] with this MOBO/graphics driver combination but when I reverted to the 53.03 drivers, the problem disappeared.Unfortunately, the 6800 series does not see the 53.03 drivers or I would revert to those for my new card.Finally, I noted that the NVidia read me file for the latest drivers does not mention the 6800 series cards - nothing after the 5xxx series.As above, grateful for any advice if anyone has found an answer.

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That's the same trouble I'm having. Another poster said he had fixed his by running 8xAA like you did, but I don't think I really have the horsepower to run 8xAA with just an Athlon XP 2500 and an 8x AGP 6600GT. I might try it, but my frames bog down hard enough as it is when there's lots of clouds around.Lewis "Moose" GregoryRichmond, Virginia

Lewis "Moose" Gregory

Durham, North Carolina

As as experiment, I moved my 6800 card into an older system, loaded the 7x.xx drivers and tried a clean install of FS9. I immediately found the same problems as highlighted in the first post. All the hardware in this system is different [A7A266 mobo, SDRAM, 2000XP cpu etc], so I guess we might be able to forget a hardware conflict.It all points to the 7 series drivers [and to a ceertain extent even the 6 series do not give as smooth a performance with FS9 as the 5 series]. Could it be that, when FS9 was developed, the 6000 series cards did not exist - hence the appearance of a problem with handling AA switching???

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It's possible. I've tried every AA setting, from "off" to "8x", and only "off" works. All other AA settings give me flashing ghost images during view changes or whenever tooltips pop up.It still is quite playable, it just looks like #### with all the "jaggies". Even 2x AA would be a gigantic improvement, but it doesn't even look like that's an option. There's some leaked 77.20 drivers that came out with the latest demo of the game Battlefield 2, maybe I'll try those when (if?) my download of ASV finishes.Lewis "Moose" GregoryRichmond, Virginia

Lewis "Moose" Gregory

Durham, North Carolina

Hey Moose. It seems we have similar problems. Every time I used AA I soon got the flashing it seems you are referring to. I cleaned out 71.89 and installed 72.13 today. So far none of the problems. Using AA at 8xS and AF at 16X. It's a bit less sharp than the 89 but I can live with that until Nvidia comes out with new drivers. Got it from TweaksRUs.Michael

Now that you've had 72.13 a couple of days, is it still going OK for you Micheal?Gary

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That is strange...I've been running a new Dell 8400 that came with a 6800 for two weeks now and other then a slight flicker when I press ALT haven't experienced any of the anomalies described here. I did have some micro second pauses in side view with the 71.89 drivers but they disappeared after installing the 76.45's.My FS9 settings are pretty much maxed out and the vid card settings are: AA-4, AF-16, Image-HQ, VS-on. I also use FSStart. I keep my frames set at 30fps.For me, the 6800 has been a vast improvement over my old 9700 Pro.P4-640 (3.2)radeon geforce 68001 gig ddr2

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The problems are back with 72.13 Gonna keep trying others I guess.

Well...I installed the latest Nvidia drivers, 77.72 and found them to provide me with the clearest, sharpest images I have seen yet. Flight Sim also ran the smoothest it has ever with no pauses or stutters. However, the ghosting/flashing problem is still there with veiw changes and curser popups. Had AA at 8. So, if I don't move the mouse or change views, I absolutely love it now. Turned it off and no problems but the scenery looks bad. I set the latency back to 128 (was 64) to see if that helped. Nope. Set the graphics option at application controlled AA but FS does a lousy job with it, if any improvement at all. I'm still trying but disappointed. Looked at Nvidia's site but they say they don't provide technicial support. Wish someone had a fix they knew about.Michael

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