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The Simufly team has just released Version 1.50 of the wonderful CIVA Carousel INS gauge.The new INS is not compatible with the TinMouse II V1.23 or earlier. I will soon be releasing an updated TinMouse II multigauge that is compatible with the new v1.5 CIVA gauge. Until then, you should continue to use V1.40RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Hi Bob,Sorry to ask this, but I was just wondering how things were going with the integration for the CIVA 1.5 update? Are you still working on it or are is it on the back-burner?

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It's actually done, but part of the steady progression of other updates I'm working, so it's not ready for release yet.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Okay - thanks for the reply, I don't normally ask those "when is it?" questions. :)

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I really hate to ask, Bob...but...any chance the CIVA 1.5 integration is close? It seems to my simple minded self that all we are missing is the ADEU unit? I was under the impression that just installing CIVA 1.50 would have updated all other gauges (MSU, CDU, etc.), already in the TM II panel, to the latest? I did mention that I was simple minded?? LOL! Either way...thanks guys! Vic

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No, the panel makes use of some internal variables from the CIVA SDK to display nav data on the HSI, so the panel gauge has to be recompiled with the V1.50 SDK for the navdata display to work.Things are moving very slowly on the 'mouse right now as my real-world retirement looms near. There are lots of higher-priority fish in the fryer....I'm not getting much simming done in any form lately.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Bob, I hope you won't mind if I post this edited panel.cfg for those who are desperate to use the Civa 1.5.They will need to download your civa_hsi_v1_1.zip from the library// This Panel.cfg file created by FS Panel Studio panel editor utility - http://www.fspanelstudio.com// Built Thursday, August 16, 2007 at 15:54 FSPS Build:20218[Window Titles]Window00=Main PanelWindow01=Radio Stack - LowerWindow02=GPSWindow03=Throttle QuadrantWindow04=Lights PanelWindow05=TimerWindow06=Overhead LowerWindow07=Radio Stack - UpperFixed Window30=Forward RightFixed Window31=RightFixed Window32=Rear RightFixed Window33=RearFixed Window34=Rear LeftFixed Window35=LeftFixed Window36=Forward LeftFixed Window37=Up[VIEWS]VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANELVIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=2.000, 0.000, 0.000VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_WINDOWS=30VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_DIR=0.000, 0.000, 45.000VIEW_RIGHT_WINDOWS=31VIEW_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_RIGHT_DIR=0.000, 0.000, 90.000VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_WINDOWS=32VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_REAR_WINDOWS=33VIEW_REAR_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_REAR_DIR=0.000, 0.000, 190.000VIEW_REAR_LEFT_WINDOWS=34VIEW_REAR_LEFT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_LEFT_WINDOWS=35VIEW_LEFT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_WINDOWS=36VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_DIR=1.000, 0.000, 315.000VIEW_UP_WINDOWS=37VIEW_UP_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_UP_DIR=-90.000, 0.000, 0.000//--------------------------------------------------------[Window00]file=Main.bmp file_1024=Main.bmp size_mm=1280,960window_size_ratio=1.500 position=0visible=1ident=MAIN_PANELupdate_rate=20gauge00=B732ADV!systems, 1,800,1,1gauge01=B732ADV!asi, 0,592,167,172gauge02=B732ADV!adi, 178,566,201,195gauge03=B732ADV!rmi, 7,775,150,180gauge04=B732ADV!altimeter, 397,624,134,131gauge05=B732ADV!vsi, 399,774,131,131gauge06=B732ADV!epr_1, 742,495,95,99gauge07=B732ADV!epr_2, 844,495,95,99gauge08=B732ADV!flap, 1156,530,79,81gauge09=B732ADV!dimmer, 687,504,17,43gauge10=B732ADV!gear_lights, 1250,567,27,47gauge11=B732ADV!effects, 110,544,52,52gauge12=B732ADV!pdcs, 2,800,1,1gauge13=B732ADV!fuel_qty_left, 552,881,81,79gauge14=B732ADV!fuel_qty_center, 601, 792 ,82,84gauge15=B732ADV!fuel_qty_right, 650,879,80,80gauge16=B732ADV!fuel_ptt, 623,479,16,16gauge17=B732ADV!oil_press_1, 951,596,82,82gauge18=B732ADV!oil_press_2, 1045,595,86,85gauge19=B732ADV!ra, 542,619,148,147gauge20=B732ADV!sb_lights, 543,822,51,49gauge21=B732ADV!n1_1, 750,595,78,79gauge22=B732ADV!n1_2, 847,595,78,79gauge23=B732ADV!n2_1, 750,784,78,80gauge24=B732ADV!n2_2, 847,784,78,80gauge25=B732ADV!ff_1, 750,879,80,80gauge26=B732ADV!ff_2, 847,879,80,80gauge27=B732ADV!egt_1, 749,689,80,80gauge28=B732ADV!egt_2, 847,689,80,80gauge29=B732ADV!fd_cont, 709,372,174,101gauge30=B732ADV!oil_qty_1, 950,786,80,78gauge31=B732ADV!oil_qty_2, 1048,786,79,78gauge32=B732ADV!oil_temp_1, 952,690,78,80gauge33=B732ADV!oil_temp_2, 1048,690,78,80gauge34=B732ADV!ap, 895,355,385,120,1gauge35=B732ADV!apd, 447,496,96,108gauge36=B732ADV!engine_lights, 942,533,205,51gauge37=B732ADV!ap_disc, 399,576,38,36gauge38=B732ADV!windshear, 70,553,34,33gauge39=B732ADV!alt_alert, 387,536,49,23gauge40=B732ADV!out_of_trim, 692,823,50,24gauge41=B732ADV!autobrake, 1140,691,102,269gauge42=B732ADV!antiskid, 1140,660,101,23gauge43=B732ADV!le_lights, 1140,625,100,23gauge44=B732ADV!caution, 492,402,196,44gauge45=B732ADV!omi, 644,506,30,102gauge46=B732ADV!comparator, 188,525,181,26gauge47=B732ADV!marker_switch, 450,458,151,37gauge48=B732ADV!toggle_clock, 708,734,20,20gauge49=B732ADV!toggle_go_around, 708,754,20,20gauge50=B732ADV!toggle_atc, 708,774,20,20gauge51=B732ADV!toggle_gps, 708,714,20,20gauge52=B732ADV!toggle_overhead1, 708,694,20,20gauge53=B732ADV!toggle_lights, 708,674,20,20gauge54=B732ADV!toggle_map, 708,654,20,20gauge55=B732ADV!toggle_throttles, 708,634,20,20gauge56=B732ADV!toggle_radio, 708,614,20,20gauge57=B732ADV!toggle_radio2, 708,594,20,20gauge58=B732ADV!yaw_damp_ind, 1072,495,59,27gauge59=B732ADV!test, 445,923,79,35gauge60=../CIVA/INS!Config, 0,0,100,,B732insgauge61=CIVA_HSI!hsi, 185,791,187,166gauge62=CIVA_HSI!ins_switch, 393,488,32gauge63=../CIVA/INS!UpdateFlags, 947,881,100gauge64=../CIVA/INS!NavModeSingle, 1054,878,47,67gauge65=CIVA_HSI!hsi_mode, 212,793,136,11//--------------------------------------------------------[Window01]Background_color=0,0,0 size_mm=660,960window_size_ratio=1.000 position=2visible=0ident=RADIO_STACK_PANELgauge00=B732ADV!radio1, 0,0,660,960//--------------------------------------------------------[Window02]Background_color=0,0,0 size_mm=530,439window_size_ratio=1.000 position=8visible=0ident=GPS_PANELgauge00=fs9gps!gps_500, 0,0,530,439//--------------------------------------------------------[Window03]Background_color=16,16,16 size_mm=542,635window_size_ratio=1.000 position=0visible=0ident=THROTTLE_PANELgauge00=B732ADV!throttles, 0,0,542,635gauge01=B732ADV!throttles2, 158,20,223,328gauge02=B732ADV!throttles3, 65,93,68,228gauge03=B732ADV!throttles4, 401,134,52,327//--------------------------------------------------------[Window04]file=lights.bmp size_mm=1262,158position=1visible=0ident=OVERHEAD_PANELgauge00=B732ADV!lights, 101,4,1084,130//--------------------------------------------------------[Window05]Background_color=0,0,0 size_mm=140,140window_size_ratio=1.000 position=2visible=0ident=COMPASS_PANELgauge00=B732ADV!timer, 0,0,140,140//--------------------------------------------------------[Window06]file=overhead3.bmp size_mm=1148,960window_size_ratio=1.000 position=1visible=0ident=11gauge00=B732ADV!ovhd_fuel, 0,597,256,364gauge01=B732ADV!ovhd_apu, 256,847,259,113gauge02=B732ADV!ovhd_seat_belt, 523,162,113,795gauge03=B732ADV!toggle_overhead1_close, 1060,0,88,88gauge04=B732ADV!ovhd_gen, 255,580,259,267gauge05=B732ADV!ovhd_csd, 255,310,258,282gauge06=B732ADV!ovhd_elecmeter, 255,0,259,310gauge07=B732ADV!ovhd_hyd, 640,408,261,142gauge08=B732ADV!ovhd_fltcontrol, 0,103,256,351gauge09=B732ADV!ovhd_pneu, 901,325,247,357gauge10=B732ADV!ovhd_press, 901,683,247,277gauge11=B732ADV!ovhd_press2, 638,688,265,272gauge12=B732ADV!ovhd_doorcvr, 640,548,261,140gauge13=B732ADV!ovhd_iceprot, 639,0,262,408gauge14=B732ADV!ovhd_ac, 901, 62 ,246,262gauge15=../CIVA/INS!MSU1, 0,29,256,73//--------------------------------------------------------[Window07]file=radio_upper_xp2.bmp size_mm=975,565window_size_ratio=1.000 position=2visible=0ident=12gauge00=B732ADV!pdcs_cdu, 701,5,248,219gauge01=B732ADV!transp, 701,232,243,122gauge02=B732ADV!alt_alert_cont, 421,38,157,65gauge03=B732ADV!memory, 700,506,253,54gauge04=B732ADV!fo_gyro, 718,377,213,54gauge05=RealityXP_WX500!RDR, 323,112,354,266gauge06=B732ADV!gyro_capt, 1,386,320,176gauge07=../CIVA/INS!CDU1, 1,-1,317,248gauge08=../CIVA/INS!Adeu1, 1,247,317,139//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window30]file=FORWARD_RIGHT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=30render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,2//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window31]file=RIGHT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=31render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,3//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window32]file=REAR_RIGHT.bmp size_mm=1024position=7visible=0ident=32render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,4//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window33]file=REAR.bmp position=7visible=0ident=33render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,5//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window34]file=REAR_LEFT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=34render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,6//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window35]file=LEFT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=35render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,7//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window36]file=FORWARD_LEFT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=36render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 600,1,1,1,8//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window37]file=UP.bmp size_mm=1024position=7visible=0ident=37render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,9Day=255,255,255Night=8,8,8Luminous=240,240,200[Default View]X=0Y=1SIZE_X=8192SIZE_Y=3151[AdvDisplay]Window=171,141,508,19,1,1HideWindow=NoAutoHide=NoAlsoATIS=NoPanelPart=Main PanelIt's not perfect, especially as to the position of the Adeu, but it works. If I'm out of order here, apologies. The Adeu makes things so much easier it's a shame not to be able to use it on the Tinmouse.John

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For those that are interested, the CIVA INS has recently been updated to v1.51 (build 2296).

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I just released a new TinMouse II gauge file, V1.24 beta, which now integrates with the CIVA V1.5 and later INS gauges.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Hi guys,just got the CIVA could anyone step me through how to set it up in the Mouse? I have the V1.24 Beta but I can only find two parts of the CIVA in the acft.Do I need to edit anything to get a complete installation?Any help would be great.

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If you look back in this thread to panel.cfg I posted previously, in the Main Panel you can change the last few lines to this:gauge60=../CIVA/INS!Config, 0,0,100,,B732insgauge61=B732ADV!hsi, 185, 795, 187, 167gauge62=../CIVA/INS!UpdateFlags, 947,881,100gauge63=../CIVA/INS!NavModeSingle, 1054,878,47,67John

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Thanks John do I still need to do that if I am using the latest v1.24 Beta where it says the gauges are integrated?Scott

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Yes...by "gauge integration" I mean that the panel gauges are programmed to communicate directly with the CIVA gauges, if installed. You still have to obtain the CIVA INS separately, install it into FS2004, and make the needed additions to your panel.cfg file to put the CIVA gauges into the panel.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Thanks Bob,For the speedy response - let me say, after only using the mouse for a couple of weeks now, I consider this to be one of the best (free or pay)ware addons for FS.Thanks for sharing it with us and taking the time to update/patch and answer our questions.Now to figure out how to navigate with the INS, standby by for further questions!Scott

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Ok did the tutorial flight from Bos to Mia and for some reason was 1 mile or so East of track the whole way down. Also what config should the FDC and AP panels be in - I had them orange the whole way down? The other problem I found was if I tuned in the VOR in NAV1 the acft decided to track to that no matter if NAV and INS NAV were selected (Walked away and found it flying circles around a VOR!).posted this in the Simulfly forums Question on Alignment B737-200 TinmouseToday at 3:44am Quote Modify Remove Hi Guys,Just starting to use the INS so sorry if this has been asked - I tried a search.I think I have done the alignment properly - using Shift-Z and waiting until the nav is ok, but when I am flying the acft appears to be tracking about 1/2 a mile off the track and misses waypoints and navaids by that amount - it turns ok and obtains new tracks but is just paralleling the planned track.What have I done wrong?ScottP.S. great addon for MSFS Back to top

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Make sure you have entered your present position correctly. An entry error will remain with you the entire flight.Also, the CIVA simulates precessional drift, so it will not be perfectly accurate, and the error increases with flight time. In the real world, we used 2.5 nm/hr as the max acceptable drift rate for one of these IRUs.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Yes I tried it again and I think it was down to my poor alignment/position entry.How should the FDC/AP be setup to fly? Should the FDC be on HDG or VOR and should the AP be on MAN and VOR with the HDG switch on?ThanksScott

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>Yes I tried it again and I think it was down to my poor>alignment/position entry.>>How should the FDC/AP be setup to fly? Should the FDC be on>HDG or VOR and should the AP be on MAN and VOR with the HDG>switch on?>>Thanks>Scott Hey Scott, glad you have the INS working. Keep in mind that as Bob stated, the accuracy will deteriorate with time and the INS will require position updating during flight (see the CIVA documentation). It is a bit different in all 3 aircraft I have that have the INS in them but, for the Tinmouse, the AP is in MAN, with HDG on ( remember the TM2 HDG switch has 2 "ON" positions, either one works for the INS...see the AUTOFLIGHT2.pdf). To "connect" the INS to the AP you click on "NAV" on the "RAD/NAV" and now you VOR track and heading indicators will reflect the present leg of you INS flightplan. The Flight Director doesn't enter into it as it only gives the pilot visual indications of what he SHOULD fly to maintain course and altitude...it is NOT an AP. Hope that helps, Scott. Vic

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Thanks Vic,I will have a go when I get back from work.Should the AP indicator be green or orange?Autoflight.pdf? will have to see if I can find that.Scott

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The AP indicator is another factor you will not look at when flying with the INS. The CIVA unit sends a heading to the AP so none of the orange or green lights will matter (except the "HDG"...and "ALT", when you are in ALT hold) as these are only used for VOR,ILS and Glideslope indication. Orange means you have that mode selected...but you have not CAPTURED the navaid. Green means that mode is selected AND IN USE because you have captured that navaid. You will see this on approaches as you select VOR/LOC to intercept the ILS and then AUTO/APPR to capture the glideslope. All of this is explained in the AUTOFLIGHT2.pdf which came with the Tinmouse2 download. I believe it can be found in X:Program FilesMicrosoft GamesFlight Simulator 9AircraftB737-200_TM2? I won't swear to that as I move all my aircraft's documentation to a seperate folder. Either way, it came with the TM2 zip. Also I mispoke earlier...the INS does NOT change the track indication on the TM2 VOR1 gauge...only the heading arrow is moved. The track indication is still showing your VHS VOR station and course. No problem at all, Scott, and feel free to ask anything else. I have the CIVA in the TM2, a dual head unit in the Dreamfleet 727 and a triple head unit in the CaptainSim 707. Vic

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