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CIVA INS 1.50 compatibility

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The Simufly team has just released Version 1.50 of the wonderful CIVA Carousel INS gauge.The new INS is not compatible with the TinMouse II V1.23 or earlier. I will soon be releasing an updated TinMouse II multigauge that is compatible with the new v1.5 CIVA gauge. Until then, you should continue to use V1.40RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Thanks Bob - I look forward to the update. :-)

Graeme Butler

Thanks for the update, Bob.

Victor Buck

  • 1 month later...

Hi Bob,Sorry to ask this, but I was just wondering how things were going with the integration for the CIVA 1.5 update? Are you still working on it or are is it on the back-burner?

Graeme Butler

  • Author

It's actually done, but part of the steady progression of other updates I'm working, so it's not ready for release yet.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Okay - thanks for the reply, I don't normally ask those "when is it?" questions. :)

Graeme Butler

  • 3 months later...

I really hate to ask, Bob...but...any chance the CIVA 1.5 integration is close? It seems to my simple minded self that all we are missing is the ADEU unit? I was under the impression that just installing CIVA 1.50 would have updated all other gauges (MSU, CDU, etc.), already in the TM II panel, to the latest? I did mention that I was simple minded?? LOL! Either way...thanks guys! Vic

Victor Buck

  • 3 weeks later...
  • Author

No, the panel makes use of some internal variables from the CIVA SDK to display nav data on the HSI, so the panel gauge has to be recompiled with the V1.50 SDK for the navdata display to work.Things are moving very slowly on the 'mouse right now as my real-world retirement looms near. There are lots of higher-priority fish in the fryer....I'm not getting much simming done in any form lately.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Bob, I hope you won't mind if I post this edited panel.cfg for those who are desperate to use the Civa 1.5.They will need to download your civa_hsi_v1_1.zip from the library// This Panel.cfg file created by FS Panel Studio panel editor utility - http://www.fspanelstudio.com// Built Thursday, August 16, 2007 at 15:54 FSPS Build:20218[Window Titles]Window00=Main PanelWindow01=Radio Stack - LowerWindow02=GPSWindow03=Throttle QuadrantWindow04=Lights PanelWindow05=TimerWindow06=Overhead LowerWindow07=Radio Stack - UpperFixed Window30=Forward RightFixed Window31=RightFixed Window32=Rear RightFixed Window33=RearFixed Window34=Rear LeftFixed Window35=LeftFixed Window36=Forward LeftFixed Window37=Up[VIEWS]VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANELVIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=2.000, 0.000, 0.000VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_WINDOWS=30VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_DIR=0.000, 0.000, 45.000VIEW_RIGHT_WINDOWS=31VIEW_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_RIGHT_DIR=0.000, 0.000, 90.000VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_WINDOWS=32VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_REAR_WINDOWS=33VIEW_REAR_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_REAR_DIR=0.000, 0.000, 190.000VIEW_REAR_LEFT_WINDOWS=34VIEW_REAR_LEFT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_LEFT_WINDOWS=35VIEW_LEFT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_WINDOWS=36VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_DIR=1.000, 0.000, 315.000VIEW_UP_WINDOWS=37VIEW_UP_ZOOM=0.800VIEW_UP_DIR=-90.000, 0.000, 0.000//--------------------------------------------------------[Window00]file=Main.bmp file_1024=Main.bmp size_mm=1280,960window_size_ratio=1.500 position=0visible=1ident=MAIN_PANELupdate_rate=20gauge00=B732ADV!systems, 1,800,1,1gauge01=B732ADV!asi, 0,592,167,172gauge02=B732ADV!adi, 178,566,201,195gauge03=B732ADV!rmi, 7,775,150,180gauge04=B732ADV!altimeter, 397,624,134,131gauge05=B732ADV!vsi, 399,774,131,131gauge06=B732ADV!epr_1, 742,495,95,99gauge07=B732ADV!epr_2, 844,495,95,99gauge08=B732ADV!flap, 1156,530,79,81gauge09=B732ADV!dimmer, 687,504,17,43gauge10=B732ADV!gear_lights, 1250,567,27,47gauge11=B732ADV!effects, 110,544,52,52gauge12=B732ADV!pdcs, 2,800,1,1gauge13=B732ADV!fuel_qty_left, 552,881,81,79gauge14=B732ADV!fuel_qty_center, 601, 792 ,82,84gauge15=B732ADV!fuel_qty_right, 650,879,80,80gauge16=B732ADV!fuel_ptt, 623,479,16,16gauge17=B732ADV!oil_press_1, 951,596,82,82gauge18=B732ADV!oil_press_2, 1045,595,86,85gauge19=B732ADV!ra, 542,619,148,147gauge20=B732ADV!sb_lights, 543,822,51,49gauge21=B732ADV!n1_1, 750,595,78,79gauge22=B732ADV!n1_2, 847,595,78,79gauge23=B732ADV!n2_1, 750,784,78,80gauge24=B732ADV!n2_2, 847,784,78,80gauge25=B732ADV!ff_1, 750,879,80,80gauge26=B732ADV!ff_2, 847,879,80,80gauge27=B732ADV!egt_1, 749,689,80,80gauge28=B732ADV!egt_2, 847,689,80,80gauge29=B732ADV!fd_cont, 709,372,174,101gauge30=B732ADV!oil_qty_1, 950,786,80,78gauge31=B732ADV!oil_qty_2, 1048,786,79,78gauge32=B732ADV!oil_temp_1, 952,690,78,80gauge33=B732ADV!oil_temp_2, 1048,690,78,80gauge34=B732ADV!ap, 895,355,385,120,1gauge35=B732ADV!apd, 447,496,96,108gauge36=B732ADV!engine_lights, 942,533,205,51gauge37=B732ADV!ap_disc, 399,576,38,36gauge38=B732ADV!windshear, 70,553,34,33gauge39=B732ADV!alt_alert, 387,536,49,23gauge40=B732ADV!out_of_trim, 692,823,50,24gauge41=B732ADV!autobrake, 1140,691,102,269gauge42=B732ADV!antiskid, 1140,660,101,23gauge43=B732ADV!le_lights, 1140,625,100,23gauge44=B732ADV!caution, 492,402,196,44gauge45=B732ADV!omi, 644,506,30,102gauge46=B732ADV!comparator, 188,525,181,26gauge47=B732ADV!marker_switch, 450,458,151,37gauge48=B732ADV!toggle_clock, 708,734,20,20gauge49=B732ADV!toggle_go_around, 708,754,20,20gauge50=B732ADV!toggle_atc, 708,774,20,20gauge51=B732ADV!toggle_gps, 708,714,20,20gauge52=B732ADV!toggle_overhead1, 708,694,20,20gauge53=B732ADV!toggle_lights, 708,674,20,20gauge54=B732ADV!toggle_map, 708,654,20,20gauge55=B732ADV!toggle_throttles, 708,634,20,20gauge56=B732ADV!toggle_radio, 708,614,20,20gauge57=B732ADV!toggle_radio2, 708,594,20,20gauge58=B732ADV!yaw_damp_ind, 1072,495,59,27gauge59=B732ADV!test, 445,923,79,35gauge60=../CIVA/INS!Config, 0,0,100,,B732insgauge61=CIVA_HSI!hsi, 185,791,187,166gauge62=CIVA_HSI!ins_switch, 393,488,32gauge63=../CIVA/INS!UpdateFlags, 947,881,100gauge64=../CIVA/INS!NavModeSingle, 1054,878,47,67gauge65=CIVA_HSI!hsi_mode, 212,793,136,11//--------------------------------------------------------[Window01]Background_color=0,0,0 size_mm=660,960window_size_ratio=1.000 position=2visible=0ident=RADIO_STACK_PANELgauge00=B732ADV!radio1, 0,0,660,960//--------------------------------------------------------[Window02]Background_color=0,0,0 size_mm=530,439window_size_ratio=1.000 position=8visible=0ident=GPS_PANELgauge00=fs9gps!gps_500, 0,0,530,439//--------------------------------------------------------[Window03]Background_color=16,16,16 size_mm=542,635window_size_ratio=1.000 position=0visible=0ident=THROTTLE_PANELgauge00=B732ADV!throttles, 0,0,542,635gauge01=B732ADV!throttles2, 158,20,223,328gauge02=B732ADV!throttles3, 65,93,68,228gauge03=B732ADV!throttles4, 401,134,52,327//--------------------------------------------------------[Window04]file=lights.bmp size_mm=1262,158position=1visible=0ident=OVERHEAD_PANELgauge00=B732ADV!lights, 101,4,1084,130//--------------------------------------------------------[Window05]Background_color=0,0,0 size_mm=140,140window_size_ratio=1.000 position=2visible=0ident=COMPASS_PANELgauge00=B732ADV!timer, 0,0,140,140//--------------------------------------------------------[Window06]file=overhead3.bmp size_mm=1148,960window_size_ratio=1.000 position=1visible=0ident=11gauge00=B732ADV!ovhd_fuel, 0,597,256,364gauge01=B732ADV!ovhd_apu, 256,847,259,113gauge02=B732ADV!ovhd_seat_belt, 523,162,113,795gauge03=B732ADV!toggle_overhead1_close, 1060,0,88,88gauge04=B732ADV!ovhd_gen, 255,580,259,267gauge05=B732ADV!ovhd_csd, 255,310,258,282gauge06=B732ADV!ovhd_elecmeter, 255,0,259,310gauge07=B732ADV!ovhd_hyd, 640,408,261,142gauge08=B732ADV!ovhd_fltcontrol, 0,103,256,351gauge09=B732ADV!ovhd_pneu, 901,325,247,357gauge10=B732ADV!ovhd_press, 901,683,247,277gauge11=B732ADV!ovhd_press2, 638,688,265,272gauge12=B732ADV!ovhd_doorcvr, 640,548,261,140gauge13=B732ADV!ovhd_iceprot, 639,0,262,408gauge14=B732ADV!ovhd_ac, 901, 62 ,246,262gauge15=../CIVA/INS!MSU1, 0,29,256,73//--------------------------------------------------------[Window07]file=radio_upper_xp2.bmp size_mm=975,565window_size_ratio=1.000 position=2visible=0ident=12gauge00=B732ADV!pdcs_cdu, 701,5,248,219gauge01=B732ADV!transp, 701,232,243,122gauge02=B732ADV!alt_alert_cont, 421,38,157,65gauge03=B732ADV!memory, 700,506,253,54gauge04=B732ADV!fo_gyro, 718,377,213,54gauge05=RealityXP_WX500!RDR, 323,112,354,266gauge06=B732ADV!gyro_capt, 1,386,320,176gauge07=../CIVA/INS!CDU1, 1,-1,317,248gauge08=../CIVA/INS!Adeu1, 1,247,317,139//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window30]file=FORWARD_RIGHT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=30render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,2//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window31]file=RIGHT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=31render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,3//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window32]file=REAR_RIGHT.bmp size_mm=1024position=7visible=0ident=32render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,4//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window33]file=REAR.bmp position=7visible=0ident=33render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,5//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window34]file=REAR_LEFT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=34render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,6//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window35]file=LEFT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=35render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,7//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window36]file=FORWARD_LEFT.bmp position=7visible=0ident=36render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 600,1,1,1,8//--------------------------------------------------------[Fixed Window37]file=UP.bmp size_mm=1024position=7visible=0ident=37render_3d_window=1nomenu=1window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1,1,1,1,9Day=255,255,255Night=8,8,8Luminous=240,240,200[Default View]X=0Y=1SIZE_X=8192SIZE_Y=3151[AdvDisplay]Window=171,141,508,19,1,1HideWindow=NoAutoHide=NoAlsoATIS=NoPanelPart=Main PanelIt's not perfect, especially as to the position of the Adeu, but it works. If I'm out of order here, apologies. The Adeu makes things so much easier it's a shame not to be able to use it on the Tinmouse.John

For those that are interested, the CIVA INS has recently been updated to v1.51 (build 2296).

Graeme Butler

  • 1 month later...
  • Author

I just released a new TinMouse II gauge file, V1.24 beta, which now integrates with the CIVA V1.5 and later INS gauges.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Hi guys,just got the CIVA could anyone step me through how to set it up in the Mouse? I have the V1.24 Beta but I can only find two parts of the CIVA in the acft.Do I need to edit anything to get a complete installation?Any help would be great.

Boeing777_Banner_pilot.jpg

 

Scott Stephens

If you look back in this thread to panel.cfg I posted previously, in the Main Panel you can change the last few lines to this:gauge60=../CIVA/INS!Config, 0,0,100,,B732insgauge61=B732ADV!hsi, 185, 795, 187, 167gauge62=../CIVA/INS!UpdateFlags, 947,881,100gauge63=../CIVA/INS!NavModeSingle, 1054,878,47,67John

Thanks John do I still need to do that if I am using the latest v1.24 Beta where it says the gauges are integrated?Scott

Boeing777_Banner_pilot.jpg

 

Scott Stephens

  • Author

Yes...by "gauge integration" I mean that the panel gauges are programmed to communicate directly with the CIVA gauges, if installed. You still have to obtain the CIVA INS separately, install it into FS2004, and make the needed additions to your panel.cfg file to put the CIVA gauges into the panel.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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