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Hi,I'd like to collect some challenging VFR approaches, those with very short fiels and things like trees, rocks or other obstacles in the glide path. Preferebly bush flying ones. Have you any recommendations there?I am in the process of checking the strips in Glacier Bay but haven't found a field like that so far.

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I always find Skagway unforgiving - but I'm usually in an aircraft which cannot climb out for a missed approach.Two of the real do or die airports in the world is VNLK - Lukla in Nepal and LFLJ - Courchevel in France. both are on way only - landing on a shelf above a canyon with a high mountain wall at the other end of the runway.Lukla is so high that piston engined aircraft are not a good idea.Search airliners.net for some photos.

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Although a bit dated now the Geo render airfileds are very well done. I love Geo Render 6 (Strom and Sultan) as well as Lake Wenatchee (W27) and SkyKomish.No where on the danger scale as Lukla and Corcheval but Sultan and Lake Wenatchee are grass strips surrounded by tower spruce trees and Mr Goldstein has done them quite well. They are also in one of the most amazing parts of the world.I too love Skagway. I find it tough too, I think thew dock is what the big distraction is.

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Thank you guys, Reggie, I will try those fields when I am back home, altstiff, I will watch out for the georender stuff, that'll be payware, I guess.As soon as I

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Yes they are payware but fairly cheap and the scenery is for an small area and includes a couple strips each (and they are in close proximity so you can fly between them).Also, Fly Tampa's St.Barts is about as good as it gets too (Saba is even more white knuckle I think). Many have excellent screenies plastered on the SS forums. The trip from Julianna - St.Barts - Saba - Julianna is a great route too.

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Hey, Michael, hope this is not too late:I liked Glacier Creek, Alaska so much I made it my FS9 splashscreen.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/174100.jpgStart at May Creek, Alaska, MYK and takeoff runway 31; climb to 5500' heading 010; find the gap and turn right to 040; in the gap, descend to 2800/80KIAS; find Glacier Creek strip (KGZ) in the righthand fork-of-the-why(Y); reduce speed with full-flap and get on the back of the power-curve and hold Stallspeed+5kts until touchdown. This is a default FS2004 strip. The mission failed if the runway is overrun.[/font size]

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http://www.mountainflying.com/images/080_Indian.jpgIndian Creek (S81) is always fun, but Cabin Creek with a turn in the runway is even more challenging (I08) - www.mountainflying.com is a site for real world pilots but hilights many "must be trained by a local pilot" airstrips.Flying M (OR05) http://www.flying-m-ranch.com/flyingm/airport/ and Ranger Creek (21W) are also among my favorites. I also like flying into / out of Stehekin State from Chelan. Actually - pretty much any airport in the Washington State system is great - http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/aviation/Airports/default.htmAlso try any airport in Idaho with USFS in the name - search www.airnav.com airports for USFS.Forget the ATC - land in these by the required runways.

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If you are looking through the Glacier Bay fields then try Snettisham in the outermost southeastern corner of the area.

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Check out.. Aerosofts Lukla. and the freeware for VNKT (Nepal). So you can fly from VNKT to Lukla. This is one amazing airport and hard to land. It again depends on what aircraft you are flying too.http://www.fsvisions.nl/site/content/view/117/9/I even managed to land the CS C-130 here. After about 20 tries. :(I recently bought the LLH COURCHEVEL http://www.llhinfo.com/ But my FS9 version is giving me grief. I have some mesh thats bleeding through this add scenery and messing up the airport. But the FSX patch seesm to doing ok..so I am flying this in FSX only. And its a sloped runway too. Very nice.Manny

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>Check out.. Aerosofts Lukla. and the freeware for VNKT>(Nepal). So you can fly from VNKT to Lukla. This is one>amazing airport and hard to land. It again depends on what>aircraft you are flying too.>>http://www.fsvisions.nl/site/content/view/117/9/>>I even managed to land the CS C-130 here. After about 20>tries. :(>>>I recently bought the LLH COURCHEVEL http://www.llhinfo.com/ >But my FS9 version is giving me grief. I have some mesh thats>bleeding through this add scenery and messing up the airport.>But the FSX patch seesm to doing ok..so I am flying this in>FSX only. And its a sloped runway too. Very nice.>>MannyLLH website in English somewhere? I want to know what I'm buying before I buy it and especially the Paypal page ( I don't use Paypal, but I can't read the page because it's all in French ).

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Hey bill, that it quite convincing,making it a splash screen. I will check it the next 24h. Thank you a lot,

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>http://www.mountainflying.com/images/080_Indian.jpg>>Indian Creek (S81) is always fun, but Cabin Creek with a turn>in the runway is even more challenging (I08) ->www.mountainflying.com is a site for real world pilots but>hilights many "must be trained by a local pilot" airstrips.>>Flying M (OR05) http://www.flying-m-ranch.com/flyingm/airport/>and Ranger Creek (21W) are also among my favorites. I also>like flying into / out of Stehekin State from Chelan. Actually>- pretty much any airport in the Washington State system is>great - http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/aviation/Airports/default.htm>>Also try any airport in Idaho with USFS in the name - search>www.airnav.com airports for USFS.>>Forget the ATC - land in these by the required runways.>>a curved runway? This is too much .... you get the cookie for the most ridiculous airfield of the day :+ The mountain flying link is great, especially the rules of thumbs page. Again, thank you.Michael.

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Two great suggestions, Manny, especielly the LUKLA review (though in dutch, which is a tad too hard to decode for me), looks very impressive, and the scenery earned quite a few awards. We are taling about density altitude here,:7 right? I will add it to my wishlist.Thank you,

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>If you are looking through the Glacier Bay fields then try>Snettisham in the outermost southeastern corner of the area.Wilco, I check it this evening.Thank you,

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I know.. whats up with these french speaking people? They are in denial that English is the international language of business.Aerosoft could have done that too... you know..leave it German only.Oh well.You can use this http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and cut and paste the LLH webpage and it would translate the entire page into English (broken English) and as long as you remain in that window, you can browse their webpages all translated to English. It is a bit of a pain. I used paypal and I had to wait 24hrs before they sent me a download link.The same with the French Alps North. I want to get that scenery that compliments the LLH. But its all in French.Manny

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Here you go mikehttp://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trthen cut and paste that dutch website at the bottom for webpage translation( http://www.fsvisions.nl/site/content/view/117/9 ) in there and say Dutch->English. ;)Here is an example ...of what it did ..Quote: (sic)"Nepal. The birth country of boeddha. A majestic country on the border of sky and ground. Lain in the himalaya between India and China. The most important belief directions in this impressive kingdom are the Hindoe?e and Buddhism. Nepal is thus, just like India, a country where a lot of westerlingen draw naartoe, in search of answers on life questions. But also because of its taking by surprise beauty this country has an enormous attraction on travellers, mountaineers and adventurer.Of the ten highest mounts in the world lie there no less than considers in nepal, among which the highest mount in the world: Mount Everest. This colossus stands confessed under the local population also under the names Qomolungma, Qomolangma or Sagarmatha Chomolungma (mothermother mother of the ground). The top of this giant lies on 8850 meters. Sagarmatha Chomolungma the roof of the world is thus, however, called. Nepal is a country where you can encounter yourself, and where you will realise how and null and void you actual are. Such as the large Flemish chansonnier and po? Jacques Brel ever sang: when under the clouds people dwarfs is.....

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Yeah but it doesn't decode the linked paypal page.

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OK, here are my first impressions:Snettisham is the place where I would like to build up my tent under a wing and call it a day having some beers and a sausage - very, very nice.Skagway is my favourite, just well modelled with Glacier Bay and a decent approach. LFLJ is very good, but to get the most out of it, I would have to buy the payware scenery, same applies to LUKLA. As for Glacier Creek, I jammed my flaps and crashed in :(. Excellent description of the approach! You turn and before you realised, you already passed the threshold .... Finally I found I08 but not S08 (or the other way around), but the field existing in vanilla FS9 is exactly what I am looking for, trees and hills on both thresholds, calls for a STOL aircraft. Thank you for all the suggestions.

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O.K., Michael, I just remembered this one-minute video I posted in April showing the

. This is default FS9 except for FSGenesis terrain and Ultimate Terrain landclass :-)Thanks for viewing.

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Check in the libraryDoherty' Difficult & Dangerous Approaches These are some of the best :)Jim...Flight One ATR 72-500 bandit crash and fly king master of the go around almost.

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>O.K., Michael, I just remembered this one-minute video>I posted in April showing the>[youtube.com/watch?v=pRu2xTK-nec|Bird-dog into Glacier>Creek]. >This is default FS9 except for FSGenesis terrain and Ultimate>Terrain landclass :-)>Thanks for viewing.Close shave, you almost touched down in a curved path ... nice flick. I also enjoyed the one about the Iditarod trail ... well made, just the choice of music on final was ... um ... something I had to ge accustomed to ;-)

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>Check in the library>Doherty' Difficult & Dangerous Approaches >These are some of the best :)>Jim...Flight One ATR 72-500 bandit crash and fly king master>of the go around almost. >I know I am an ignorant but I am still surprised by all the things I did not know about ... I just downloaded 1-63(sic!)and that's quite a handful. Thanks for pointing me there.

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Hey Michael it's no problem, and your not ignorant. To me, that's what the forums are all about. Discussion and asking questions about our hobby and everyone lending a hand. That's what makes this such a cool place.Jim

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Thanks for viewing and commenting, DocWith 49 Youtube videos' posted, I find it increasingly difficult to keep track of them all but if you refer to the

section, IMO, Glen Campbell's "William Tell Overture" fits the 4X sim-speed. Keep those cards and letters coming :-)P.S. Make sure you try the KGZ flight for yourself.

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What planes are you guys using for these places? I have the RealAir Scout (combo package), and I just purchased the DA D0-27. I also have the Carenado 206 package, but I find it strange to land with. Almost as if you have to fight it down. Maybe I just need practice.Anyhow, my main issue is that a lot of these planes don't perform good at the altitudes I want to fly. Like Alaska or those places you mentioned in Idaho. The RealAir and Do-27 don't want to run, and take off is very difficult, since you can't seem to get any lift. I imagine these planes are tuned for performance to take-off and land at higher altitudes? Seems strange, but if you can't get maximum power at say 5000 feet, then how do you STOL?You take the Do-27, RealAir, or any prop close to sea level and they fly perfect! I've been flying for a long time now and used many planes, so I know it's not me, especially when I can T/O and land like a pro close to sea level. Actually, I can land at those higher altitudes just fine now, but it's the take-off that takes too much runway. Do people just tweak these to run at higher altitude better?? Maybe the FSD Porter is a little better? It's the only other plane I can see myself getting for this type of flying. I'm still on the fence about the Do-27. It handles great, but a few things about it are strange.

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