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a new computer makes FS9 run like it was meant to!

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3 years ago or so, I built an AMDXp2400 to run FS2004. I had previously been running FS2002 on a P3-1000 - and it was a bit of a struggle. When I tried out FS2002 on the new Xp2400, I noticed how well it ran compared to what I had been used to over the previous couple of years - but I was keen to get into FS2004. Having struggled now for the past 3 years with the Xp2400 running FS2004, I have now built a Core2 duo 6600. NOW - I can run FS2004 like it was always meant to be run.I am now convinced that it is better to be a late adaptor than an early one. I am now looking forward to building a new machine again in 3 years time - whatever specs it may have then, I don't know. But I do know that it will run FSx brilliantly - along with all the great addons that will be developed over that time. Barry

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Good onya Barry!I should be picking up my new computer this week as well. Are you running Vista or XP?Klint(Also in Brisbane)

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I'm running XP. I will probably run Vista in 3 years time- after I have built a new machine then. In the meantime, my new Core 2 duo WindowsXp based machine has all the overhead I need to do most everything I want. This thread is not meant to bash FSx at all - in fact, from what I have seen of it, I like it and the sim "out of the box" is , in my opinion, far superior to FS9. I am really looking forward to using it in 3 years. :-)Barry

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yes i actually justed posted a pic of FS2004 on my new rig with every slider maxed and i get over 30FPS !! even in NYC,Sea-Tac, Etc ...

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I may be in the market for a new one too since I believe mine may have been fried by a power supply overload. Besides the processor, I'm interested in the other parts of your systems, type of memory, video card, etc. I also will be sticking with FS9 and XP.Thanks for your help

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I managed to do a very inexpensive upgrade - with a considerable increase in performance.Over the past 3 years, I had already upgraded my Vid card, power supply, 1 gig RAM and a second 7200RPM IDE harddriveBUT - my vid card was an AGP card, and my 1 gig RAM was DDR300 RAM. So I used an ASROCK motherboard which takes either PCIE Vid cards or AGPx8 cards, DDR or DDR2 RAM , and either SATA or IDE drives. The new MOBO also gave me AGP x8 and USB2 - an improvement over the USB1.1 and AGO x4 which I previously had.All in all, the upgrade only cost me $375 Australian dollars - and I am more than pleased with the result. I used a Core 2 Duo 6600 CPU.Barry

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I second that approach. Did same thing with e4400 clocked to 2.65gbz. My lowest FPS in NYC is 22 with max'd sliders. Right now I do not believe that any PC, within reason, is capable of all max'd sliders under FSX in NYC. With the next patch coming who knows what that will cost you? I just returned to FSX and used ATC/AI for the first time since FS2002 due to an inadequate PC. Now ahead of the curve and I like that.Regards,Dick BoleyA PC, an LCD, speakers, CH yoke

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Thanks Barry,Never heard of the ASROCK MB before, so this intrests me as it may reduce my costs considerably. But which MB model? You seem to indicate it supports both AGP & PCIe which would be great since I have AGP video. Does this mean it has both types of slots on the board?Jim

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I run FSX on my DELL XPS M1710 laptop & as long as it's on mains power it runs as smooth as silk with most sliders at max. FS9 is the same :9

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>Thanks Barry,>>Never heard of the ASROCK MB before, so this intrests me as it>may reduce my costs considerably. But which MB model? You seem>to indicate it supports both AGP & PCIe which would be great>since I have AGP video. Does this mean it has both types of>slots on the board?>>JimHi JimASROCK are apparently well known for making "unusual" MOBOS. I used this one http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Model=4CoreDual-VSTA It supports the 1066Mhz FSB model Core 2 Duos.It has both AGP 8x and PCIe slots, DDR and DDR2RAM slots and both IDE /SATA connections.It is aimed squarely at those who want to upgrade to the faster Dual/Quad core CPUs - but who wish to use their older AGP, DDR and IDE devices. Although the Intel 6600 only 0perates a little faster than the AMDxp2400 (2.4 meghz compared to 2 megahz) - it is a MUCH more powerful processor and leaves the old AMD cpu standing at the corner!!Barry

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Hi all I use the same motherboard look at my specs below everything runs fine windows vista and windows xp pro I had ddr400 1gig but then upgraded to ddr2 667 2gigs, Remember you would have to get the core 2 dous that have 1066mhz front side bus this is not meant for the newer chips that have a higher fsb like the Intel E6850 etc etc I believe its a good board when your really tight on money and want to upgrade to a better cpu using your old parts.

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Hi Barry, ditto!Actually I think I'll wait til either Penryn dual cores or Nehalem as my current but fairly old machine can handle FS9 very well as it stands.Noel

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Thanks again Barry for the info. I'm sold on the ASROCK MoBo since I just learned today that the diagnostic I had done on the machine confirmed a damaged MoBo. So I can get by with just the new board and maybe upgrade the processor but still use my 'older' hardware, some of which is not really 'old' and cost enough money to warrant keeping it as is.Problem I'm having is finding the board on line. Some here in the USA are telling me that it is not in stock at this time. I'll keep looking though. Price is really great. From $42.00 to less than $70.00 here in the USA.Jim

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>How did your upgrade form 1 gig DDr 400 to 2 gig DDR2 667>go??>>This website http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2810>seems to say that there is a not a lot of "real-world">difference between the 2 types of RAM >>BarryHi Barry, there really isn't a big difference in speed, from ddr1 to ddr2 at least to me it isn't a huge difference, but I had some spare money and went and bought some ddr2 memory ram for my next upgrade which would replace the motherboard with one that overclocks better but this will also mean I would have to upgrade my agp card to a pcie card at the same time which is ok.

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"I am now convinced that it is better to be a late adaptor than an early one. I am now looking forward to building a new machine again in 3 years time - whatever specs it may have then, I don't know. But I do know that it will run FSx brilliantly - along with all the great addons that will be developed over that time." Barry, my man, you read my mind, perfectly stated!RH

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HelloI also have a ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA, it has been rock solid I am using a C2Duo 6600 at 2.61 along with 2 gigs of PC3200 DDR400memory and an AGP ATI X850XT slightly OC to 533 core 566 mem.My very bloated 77.3 gigabyte FS9 installation runs smooth as silk.This is it for me until FS11

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>I managed to do a very inexpensive upgrade - with a>considerable increase in performance.>>Over the past 3 years, I had already upgraded my Vid card,>power supply, 1 gig RAM and a second 7200RPM IDE harddrive>>BUT - my vid card was an AGP card, and my 1 gig RAM was DDR300>RAM. >>So I used an ASROCK motherboard which takes either PCIE Vid>cards or AGPx8 cards, DDR or DDR2 RAM , and either SATA or IDE>drives. The new MOBO also gave me AGP x8 and USB2 - an>improvement over the USB1.1 and AGO x4 which I previously>had.>>All in all, the upgrade only cost me $375 Australian dollars ->and I am more than pleased with the result. I used a Core 2>Duo 6600 CPU.>>BarryI did basically the same. I have a "decent" AGP vid card and good DDR ram, and a new IDE hard drive so I was unwilling to totally revamp my system, so I got that ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA mobo because of it's ability to handle both DDR and DDR2, AGP and PCI-e, IDE and SATA HDDs. Went with an E4400, overclocked it from 2.0 - 2.9GHz on my second boot. For a total outlay of about $190 I went from 7-9FPS (unplayable) on short final at KORD with traffic maxed but detail sliders turned down, to 20-25FPS with everything maxed (traffic, detail, clouds, etc) on short final at KORD w/ 150 planes milling around the airport. I love it. My old system was an Athlon XP 2500+ Barton that was slightly overclocked from 1.8 to 2.0GHz (I bought it 3 or 4 years ago). The only thing that is slightly disappointing about the ASRock board is the FSB lock at 290MHz - if you want to go higher than 290FSB you need to volt-mod it. Still - I overclocked the thing 45% the second time I booted it up and it is rock solid.My SuperPI times dropped from about 48.9 seconds on the old system to 18 seconds on the new system, almost 3x as fast. got the board for $62 and the proc for $124 from mwave.

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Well I've been all over the net to find this board in the USA and it appears to be a discontinued item by ASROCK. Any one aware of which model took its' place? Or, are there still a few floating around out there? Help appreciated.I will email ASROCK as well.Thanks,Jim

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>Well I've been all over the net to find this board in the USA>and it appears to be a discontinued item by ASROCK. Any one>aware of which model took its' place? Or, are there still a>few floating around out there? Help appreciated.>>I will email ASROCK as well.>>Thanks,>Jimnewegg still has the 4coredual-sata2 listed which is the exact same boad as the 4coredual-vsta just not optimized for windows vista. if you are running windows XP it will serve you just fine (based on the research I did when I was ordering this board a month ago, which was extensive). newegg.com also has a few open box versions of the board listed (there are like 5-6 different iterations of this board, 2 AMD and 3-4 Intel, one optimized for windows Vista and one not. off the top of my head i can think of" 939dual-sata, 939dual-vsta, 775dual-sata, 775dual-vsta, 4coredual-sata, 4coredual-sata. each of those has both PCI-E and AGP slots, DDR and DDR2 RAM slots, and IDE and SATA hard drive connections). but yes it appears it has been discontinued which I thought was the case when I ordered mine. I was actually going to get the AMD version and I waited a couple days to order, then it became not available. so I quickly ordered the socket 775 4coredual-vsta version, which also appears to be gone. so I would definitely say the availability is dwindling quickly. it is not available at all from the vendor i bought mine from (mwave.com) so if you're going to get one, you'd better grab one from newegg very, very quickly. they probably only ave a couple left. heck, at 50-60$ it's not like it'll make you poor on the off chance that you get it and don't like it. i like mine just fine though, not as great as the high end boards out there, but it enabled me to use a FAR faster CPU without having to spend a bunch of money on a new vid card and RAM and new SATA hard drives (which would come with the unbelievable frustration of having to reinstall a million different add-ons for my MSFS).one thing to be aware of, MANY reviews stated that the people who purchased the board had to reinstall windows, which often means that you'd lose your FS installation. However I PERSONALLY did not have to reinstall windows when I got mine... my previous windows install worked perfectly and still is. i seem to be in the minority in that respect though.

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its quite interestingisnt it.. I actually have this new rig for fsx and it performs quite well, though im still a little dissapointed i cant run highly complex add ons at busy airports.. Theres something wrong about having smooth performance in fsx with pic 737 or lds 767 etc etc when your sharing a buy airport with hardly any other traffic..So i ecided to re install fs9 and the addons just for complex big tube flying.. My god.. smooth as silk and busy as real as it gets... Still loving fsx for bush, but I need my skies to be occupied and busy and i need my airports to be complex and busy..

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Hi NEALOC187>one thing to be aware of, MANY reviews stated that the people>who purchased the board had to reinstall windows, which often>means that you'd lose your FS installation. However I>PERSONALLY did not have to reinstall windows when I got>mine... my previous windows install worked perfectly and still>is. i seem to be in the minority in that respect though.I suspect that you may have a problem that you are not even aware of - ie your computer may actually be running only one core. I had the same situation as you - I built this new dual core machine and expected that I would have to reinstall WindowsXP and everything else. However it booted up into Windows quite nicely from my old harddrive - and I thought , like you, that I was saved from having to reinstall. However I discovered that one core was not running. Go into your TASK MANAGER (CTRL-ALT-DEL) and see if you have TWO "CPU USAGE HISTORY" windows showing. Also go into your Control Panel/Device Manager and see if it shows an an "ACPI Multiprocessor" in the COMPUTER section and also shows TWO Intel Cores under PROCESSORS. If you do not have all these things, then WindowsXP (your old installation on your harddrive)is not recognising your second core and you will have to reinstall!!Regards Barry

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>Hi NEALOC187>>>one thing to be aware of, MANY reviews stated that the>people>>who purchased the board had to reinstall windows, which>often>>means that you'd lose your FS installation. However I>>PERSONALLY did not have to reinstall windows when I got>>mine... my previous windows install worked perfectly and>still>>is. i seem to be in the minority in that respect though.>>I suspect that you may have a problem that you are not even>aware of - ie your computer may actually be running only one>core. I had the same situation as you - I built this new dual>core machine and expected that I would have to reinstall>WindowsXP and everything else. However it booted up into>Windows quite nicely from my old harddrive - and I thought ,>like you, that I was saved from having to reinstall. However I>discovered that one core was not running. >>Go into your TASK MANAGER (CTRL-ALT-DEL) and see if you have>TWO "CPU USAGE HISTORY" windows showing. Also go into your>Control Panel/Device Manager and see if it shows an an "ACPI>Multiprocessor" in the COMPUTER section and also shows TWO>Intel Cores under PROCESSORS. If you do not have all these>things, then WindowsXP (your old installation on your>harddrive)is not recognising your second core and you will>have to reinstall!!>>Regards >>Barry it's running on both cores, I read that exactly what you said is sometimes an issue for those who didn't reinstall XP, but mine's running both. they both show up in device manager, I've stress tested both cores monitoring the temps of each individually, checked CPU usage, i'm able to specify the affinity if i want to, etc. it appears i was one of the lucky ones perhaps.

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