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Low Frame Rates -- My FS9.CFG File

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Would someone mind taking a look at my CFG file (below) and tell me if they see anything that could be changed to bring my frame rates up? I've tried tweaking it myself but I can't seem to get any results, and I only seem to make matters worse more often than not. I'm only getting 10-12 FPS on the ground using FlyTampa airports and Airport Environment Services (at their KMDW, KBOS, KSAN, and KSEA) with about 50% AI, and I also have slowish loading textures that are at first blurry and then come into focus within 1 or 2 seconds when at FL310, and I just don't think everything is running right. My computer is pretty strong -- not lightning fast but not at all bad, and only about 6 months old -- and somebody told me in another thread that they thought I should be getting better frame rates. I have Ultimate Terrain USA and Canada and all of the FS Genesis Mesh, but I'm not running any complex payware aircraft -- only POSKY 737s, ERJ-145s, and default heavies, albeit with paints downloaded from the AVSIM file library. I ado lso run 3 17 inch monitors. My computer specs are in my signature below and in the persuit of better FRs, I have temporarily dumped Active Sky v6.5 and have only been using FS9s built-in "Fair Weather" theme.What tipped me off to finally ask for this help was that I just downloaded the new (absolutely beautiful) KLAS freeware scenery mentioned elsewhere here and I don't take nearly the frame hit that I do with the FlyTampa sceneries -- I was getting 19-23 on the ground there, and KLAS is a pretty detailed scenery. Granted, I'm not using AES but I still think when I'm in places like the FlyTampa airports I should be getting better than I am currently on my system. Thanks a LOT in advance for any insight you can provide.Chuck 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First you seem to have multiple [display.....] entries in your config file. Some from 800X600 all the way to 2560 X 1024.Remove all but one - keep the one that is just above your UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT line.Second - try reducing your TEXTURE_BANDWITH_MULT from 400 to 200.Try changing TEXTURE_GND to 5Also find the following lines in your .cfg file and set them to the amounts shown.TERRAIN_ERROR_FACTOR=100.000000TERRAIN_MIN_DEM_AREA=10.000000TERRAIN_MAX_DEM_AREA=100.000000TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL=21TERRAIN_TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=8TERRAIN_AUTOGEN_DENSITY=4TERRAIN_USE_GRADIENT_MAP=1TERRAIN_EXTENDED_TEXTURES=1TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=9.500000TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=9.500000TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=5lastly, have you tried using nhancer (www.nhancer.com) and using the help found here about setting your AA, AF settings correctly with it?If not give that a shot as well.ThanksPaul.

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>Also find the following lines in your .cfg file and set them>to the amounts shown.>>TERRAIN_ERROR_FACTOR=100.000000>TERRAIN_MIN_DEM_AREA=10.000000>TERRAIN_MAX_DEM_AREA=100.000000>TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL=21>TERRAIN_TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=8>TERRAIN_AUTOGEN_DENSITY=4>TERRAIN_USE_GRADIENT_MAP=1>TERRAIN_EXTENDED_TEXTURES=1>TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=9.500000>TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=9.500000>TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=5I have to add a few things to these entries:Setting the Max Vertex Level to 21 only makes sense if you have add on mesh with a resolution of 19 meters installed.And the last three entries Terrain Default Radius, Extended Radius and Extended Levels are outside the range that the Simulator can display. The maximum possible setting is 4, with 0 being the default.

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HelloBest thing to do is rename the FS9.CFG file and let the Sim build a new one.Then check that your graphics card is declared properly in the new one.There is no instance of a graphics card in the CFG that you have posted.Look for lines similar to these below.There should be only one instance of this section.[DISPLAY.Device.Radeon X1950 Pro.0]Mode=1600x1200x32TriLinear=1

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Lower AI settings. Instant FPS help. Whoever told you that you should be getting better FPS has you worrying now. Forget what he said. You are running a lot of scenery. You even answered your own question. "I don't take nearly the frame hit that I do with the FlyTampa sceneries"That is simple deduction right? One scenery doesn't hit your FPS and the other does? Heres a guaranteed way to increase your FPS. > go into scenery manager and uncheck ALL add-on scenery's. ALL of them> lower AI to zero > go back to one monitor, sorry but extra rendering costs CPU and you don't have that to spare with Fs9. You can add it back later once you get your system tweaked.Now, once you have your fast arse computer punching the FPS through the sky, start adding ONE THING AT A TIME until you have the FPS where you want them.And lastly, remember, "There is NO magic bullet". Good suggestions above are move Fs9.cfg and let sim make new one. >>>>>ALWAYS the FIRST thing to do.:)Good luck and if you find the magic bullet, please let us ALL know.Raul

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Thanks for the suggestions -- I removed those multiple entries once and they seemed to have come back -- I will definitely try again.Also, nHancer is for nVidia cards -- and it works well! -- and I now have an ATI card.Thanks for your time! I'll try these and report back!Chuck

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>>>That is simple deduction right? One scenery doesn't hit your>>>FPS and the other does? One which I am grateful you confirmed -- that's why I put it in the post.>>>Good suggestions above are move Fs9.cfg and let sim make newone. Been there, done that.>>Then go to the FSX forum and get into the Tips and Tricks>>thread. Spend a fair amount of time reading ALL of the>>suggestions. You would have found the texture bandwidth tip>>in there had you looked. You would have also found the tip>>for reducing the size of the autogen files. Thanks, Raul. Again -- been there, done that, no (or very little) joy. Spent a lot of time doing this alone already and I'm tired of it and feel I've gone as far as I can on my own -- I want to fly! Thanks for looking at my file and possibly confirming what I have suspected all along -- that there may really be nothing particularly wrong with my system. I just wanted others' opinions here (a second opionion is never a bad thing, right?) and there seemed to be a lot of offers to do this for others lately, so I thought I'd take a shot.Smooth skies!Chuck

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Actually, I just rebuilt the cfg file about a week ago -- I wonder why there's no instance of a vid card in there?Thanks!Chuck

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did you try the texture bandwidth tip?I had to lower my AI down to 15% and turn autogen off to get acceptable FPS to me. Its all about compromise. Theres a couple more tweaks that deal with the run command but I cant remember them. Something to do with services.Dont give up. make compromises then start adding back. cant you live with 40% AI? Really not much different but might be worth 3-4 FPS.Keep at it..

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>did you try the texture bandwidth tip?Yes, but apparently I forgot to make the change again when I rebuilt my cfg file a week or so ago, so I'll have to try it again.>I had to lower my AI down to 15% and turn autogen off to get>acceptable FPS to me. >Dont give up. make compromises then start adding back. cant>you live with 40% AI? Really not much different but might be>worth 3-4 FPS.>>Keep at it..Thanks for the encouragement, as always, Kimchoc.I was thinking because it's FS9 and not FSX, I should be getting better FRs, even around the FlyTampa sceneries, and people in another thread with "similar" system specs as mine were telling me there should be little or no frame rate hit, which made me think something was really wrong with my set up.I used to fly with 100% AI, but of course that was before the 3rd screen, the Ultimate Terrain and the FlyTampa stuff. I like crowded skies! ;-) And I certainly don't intend to give up, pardner!Chuck

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Thanks to everyone for your help. I think the two tweaks that helped the most were the TEXTURE_BANDWITH_MULT from 400 to 200 fix and, of all things, setting my sound to the lowest setting. Looks like I'll be putting in a separate sound card tomorrow night!Thanks again, and best regards to all for a healthy, happy holiday season to those who celebrate.Smooth skies!Chuck

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To anyone interested, this morning I installed an old sound card I had that was about 5 years old and gained an ASTOUNDING 4-5 FPS taxiing around at all of my FlyTampa add on sceneries. Sharp turns are still a little sticky, down around 11 - 13 in complex areas, but more gradual turns and straight on taxi is smooth as silk at 17-19 FPS. I had seen a couple of discussions in the past about getting a separate card and disabling on board sound but I generally disregbarded them because I felt it wouldn't justify the cost on my dual core system. I had no idea how much it would help, and the best part it didn't cost me anything but about 15 minutes of my time.Thanks again to everybody who had a go and tried to help me. I really appreciate you people and the sense of community we have here.

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Glad it worked for you. I did the same and nothing changed. LOL. I was just out $50.00, HA! Each system is really different and we all fail to realize that. What works for one, sometimes, sometimes works for another.Ah, but that is good, 4-5 FPS. No dig around a bit more in that FSX tweaking thread and look for 2 more. Then tweak a bit more and get 1.5 Then lower that AI down to 47% and get another 2. LOL keep going !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Huliohttp://eecherrors.homestead.com/coxpit.jpg

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> down around 11 - 13 in>complex areas, but more gradual turns and straight on taxi is>smooth as silk at 17-19 FPS. I had seen a couple of [blah] ...I used a few of the tricks here and got a few FPS's back also. I guess one man's floor is another's ceiling, but if I was running FS9 at 17-19fps I'd not be too happy. On my rig, fps like that would be unusable (imho!!!) At the risk of starting another discussion on this topic: 'smooth as silk' at 17fps .. surely not?

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do not tell me that this picture is real and you have about 8 PC configured to run fs9!!!, you must be the madest sim guy I have ever.krishan

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HiI cannot understand this whole subject. My PC is compaq standard PC:ASUS P5BW-LAE64002G 666MHz250g h/d7600gt 256m1440 x 900 x 32Now if I load default flight I will get fps changing rapidly between 60 and 90. At EGLL (heathrow) it is 50 with LDS767 2D view it drops to 31. My setting are all display set to HIGH, traffic set to 69%. No changes to .cfg no further add-ons. Wht am I getting more fps than you, why does it seem that everyone that has similar rigs have very different results, why is there some much differences?PS. No fpsI have tried these to no avail.1.TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=9.500000TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=4.500002.(DISPLAY)TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=40 <------------ to a higher value ex: 400(microsoft site says this will actually reduce fps)3.Antialiasing: 4xAnisotropic: 8xImage Settings: QualityVertical Sync: OnForce Mipmaps: TrilinearConformant Texture Clamp: OnExtension Limit: OffTrilinear Optimization: OffAnisotropic Mip Filter Optimization: OnAnisotropic Sample Optimization: Off or OnTriple Buffering: Off or OnNegative LOD Bias: ClampThis one does reduce the flicking effect but when you are close to ground and you pull hard on stick you notice a consisitance micro stutter, that is when you do this on the nvidia card.In the end I have not made any changes unless someone can reall tell there will be a noticable difference in performance without loss of quality, ever going to be the case, you gain in one therefore you must lose in the other.krishan

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17fps is smooth. Again, it depends on your settings and add-ons. We are running a lot of addons and they eat the FPS up. I cant tell you exactly what .bmp file is an FPS eater in every scenery. I did go through one airport and narrow some down. But I'm not about to go through every .bmp file in every scenery to find 1-2 FPS. The 1-2 FPS adds up over time and one day you wake up, or somebody says "I get much better FPS that that with my ""similar"" rig", and then it starts. You think something is wrong with your rig.Well there isn't anything WRONG with it. Its just overloaded and it has been overloaded slowly over time until you just now notice it. BTW, turn off the FPS counter and you'll not notice it as much. You know that alone is worth .5 FPS dont you? The counter? You can tweak away and get some FPS back but mostly you are going to compromise and turn something down or get lucky and install a sound card and get a free gain. Speaking of sound cards, I too thought that would help. I mean, it has to doesn't it? Free up the processor from the duty of on board sound? Well I posted the question in here as to whether it would be a FPS gain. The response was, "maybe" and "not much". But,,,,,, I did it anyway. My result was NO improvement in FPS. Life is tough.Like I said earlier, there is no magic bullet. Theres a couple good tweaks that work on MOST machines but the one that works the best is the one where you just turn stuff off or down or unload some of those offending .bmp's. >>>No thats not my system. LOL I just post it for inspiration every once in awhile. Like this one:http://eecherrors.homestead.com/flightdesk.jpg

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>Hi>>I cannot understand this whole subject. My PC is compaq>standard PC:>ASUS P5BW-LA>E6400>2G 666MHz>250g h/d>7600gt 256m>1440 x 900 x 32>>Now if I load default flight I will get fps changing rapidly>between 60 and 90. At EGLL (heathrow) it is 50 with LDS767 2D>view it drops to 31. My setting are all display set to HIGH,>traffic set to 69%. No changes to .cfg no further add-ons. Wht>am I getting more fps than you, why does it seem that everyone>that has similar rigs have very different results, why is>there some much differences?>>PS. No fps>I don't know about anyone else but FOR ME 15 FPS is the magic number -- that's the number where your eye and brain start having real trouble distinguishing anything higher. So once I hit 15, everything else is gravy. I lock my rig at 24 FPS as there's no need for anything higher except to see a larger red number in the corner of my screen. Plus, I have so many addons it's crazy: Activesky, Ultimate Terrain USA and Canada, Terrain Mesh down to 19 m, Ground Environment Pro, AES, Flight Environment, RealEnvironment Pro, complex freeware panels, THREE SCREENS with 180 degree field of vision, immediately come to mind. And I run AI consistently at 55%.The default MS airports run at my locked 24 FPS very smoothly; the 17 was at the payware airports, sharp images, with service traffic driving around me, scurrying about on the highways surrounding the airport, sailboats sailing just off the runway, silhouettes of waiting passengers moving in the windows, static aircraft, detailed building and beautiful palm trees on the edge of the property. AND I have Airport Environment Services to boot running underneath most of those, that has a marshaller to park my aircraft, fuel and catering trucks, and jetways that actually hook up to my planes.Lastly, and this is a big performance drainer that I haven't read much about about recently: I remain connected to my home network of 6 computers when flying, just in case I need to grab files from elsewhere "on the fly." That robs me of computing cycles because a computer has to react whenever another computer makes a connection or a request of the network.I have a (new) middle to low end Dell dual core -- not a gamer -- so, yeah! I'm pretty happy at 17 FPS while on the ground taxiing in one of FlyTampa's airports.Hope this helps explain my point of view, and why I'm now pretty happy with what I have. I certainly wouldn't complain if Microsoft cut their code and made the program more efficient, but knowing the parameters of the current offering, I know I've done pretty much everything I can do (read: willing to do") right now. As I said, now I want to fly!Chuck B.

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>I'm pretty happy at 17 FPS while on the ground>taxiing in one of FlyTampa's airports.>>Hope this helps explain my point of view, and that I'm not>just settling!>>ChuckI'd love to have 17 in an airport. My old AGP system is lucky to get 10. So right there is a great comparison of systems.I can get much more if I get rid of my PCI card that runs two of my four monitors for a starter. That hit me for 10 at least. But I compromise for the sake of a near 180 degree field of view and can get by with 10. I just fly less busy airports. I too am locked at 22FPS and get that easily while flying at altitude. Its the scenery's and basically whatever we 'render' is what kills the FPS.Chuck, I don't think your networking is causing any cycles or hits that you are noticing. What you say is true but it is insignificant. It is certainly less than flying with real weather every 15mins or flying with a live ACARS server that reports your position every few minutes. I havnt seen any loss when using Live Acars.ehehehe, turn off that red counter and enjoy!Mariohttp://eecherrors.homestead.com/ap_panel_install.jpg

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>Chuck, I don't think your networking is causing any cycles or>hits that you are noticing. What you say is true but it is>insignificant. It is certainly less than flying with real>weather every 15mins or flying with a live ACARS server that>reports your position every few minutes. I havnt seen any loss>when using Live Acars.I agree 100%, Mario; relatively speaking it doesn't compare with what ActiveSky, custom clouds, static scenery, et al, do, but on top of everything else it's still a factor that I rarely consider (so what else am I "not taking into account"?). I have a very loud CPU fan on one of my other computers and you should hear it kick up and work every time another computer on the net is simply turned on. With printer sharing, lots of shared files and "Network Locations" all over the network, assigned IP addresses, VOIP connections, routers, switches, and different O.S.'s, each station has to work all that much harder when connected. I'm not going to sit down and do an actual study, but I know my computer is dealing with all that in the background, too, while I'm happily flying around Sao Paulo, Brazil. :-)PS, Mario: you MUST find the bandwidth to make the pics on your website BIGGER for all of us to enjoy! Some of us don't use (or want to use) Firefox! :-DChuck B.

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No, sorry, I guess I wasn't clear -- I'm talking about the one page on your website, the one with about 20 or 30 thumbnails on it. I can't zoom in on them to get a real good look.Those posted here look fine.Chuck B.

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