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Is it appropriate to ask questions in here on the development of MS new FS?

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Has anyone heard anything of it?I want cloud shadows, military/mission capability (missiles, guns, explosions etc), ships that move (such as carriers), and possibly a real ATC that you can jump in and spectate or operate yourself, either multiplayer or AI aircraft.Maybe Microsoft can buy licenses for payware products for FS9 and use jets and scenery in FS11? That will make 3 versions available. FS2009X, FS2009X Deluxe and FS2009X Expert. Expert will have all the fruit and the most realistic (such as PSS and PMDG) functioning cockpits.

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HiI want less forgiving aircrafts - keep them inside their limits - or you get punished like in real flying. I find most planes far too easy to get out of troubles i.e. stalls etc.Henrik

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Well the first thing I would want is for MS to realize just who their customer base really is !A relatively small percentage of simmers can afford to shell out big bucks every few years to buy new or upgrade their computer upon which to run the latest and greatest sim.The vast majority of us - hobbiests and addicts alike - do not have unlimted disposable income and must try to get the most out of what we have - usually a system which must also do mundane tasks such as word processing.Once they face up to that fact perhaps we will have less cute animations and more solid performance improvements.

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>Well the first thing I would want is for MS to realize just>who their customer base really is !>>A relatively small percentage of simmers can afford to shell>out big bucks every few years to buy new or upgrade their>computer upon which to run the latest and greatest sim.>>The vast majority of us - hobbiests and addicts alike - do not>have unlimted disposable income and must try to get the most>out of what we have - usually a system which must also do>mundane tasks such as word processing.>>Once they face up to that fact perhaps we will have less cute>animations and more solid performance improvements.>>>>Amen

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No I am afraid that all the cutie eye candy will stay. You got to realize that microsoft doesn't make as much money if they only sell to us hard core simmers. They want a product that will appeal to everyone (kids especially) because that is where the money is and that is what it is all about.Don

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There is already a very long FS-11 "wish-list" thread over in the FSX forum that was started months ago. You'll have to do a search to find it.At the end of the day, there was once a FSX wishlist thread and it ushered in a new dawn of openness between Aces and the FS Community. Wishes such as new ATC, improved AI, cloud shadows, better aerodynamics, better performance, etc had been requested directly to Aces back then. We hoped for graphical improvements to satisfy the casual simmer in addition to core simulation improvements that will satisfy the hard-core simmer (but make the simulation more accurate for BOTH groups). In return we 'got' more than we bargined for.We 'got' graphics that will choke even today's fastest systems. We 'got' flour bombing. We 'got' whale watching. When there was an outcry from the community we 'got' told that we are "too negative" here at Avsim vs the other simulation sites. After almost a year, we 'got' a DX-10 "preview". We 'got' a split FS community, developers 'got' forced to develop for THREE platforms: FS9, FSX SP1, and SP2 because many SP1 products 'got' broken by SP2. We 'got' left with many open issues with FSX and finally we 'got' told that the team had moved onto FS11 and no more patches or fixes were fortcoming for FSX.Considering all the things that we 'got' with FSX maybe we should stay silent and just wait and see what we 'get' FS11! :-lolWarm regards,Mike T.

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you missed few.we got water that looks like 6 grit sandpaper regardless if its a river, ocean or lake.............we got conifers in the bahamas we got deserts in the amazonwe got snow that looks like whole snowmen raining we got virtually FS9 with addons that most of us already have anyhow.on to fs14.

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I have read that after the bad Vista performance and acceptance from the general public, MS is developing a new Windows that will use a Linux like OS, making it less demanding of RAM and CPU. If that is the case I don't think we'll see another FS until this new Windows is released.Leo

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>Has anyone heard anything of it?>>I want cloud shadows, military/mission capability (missiles,>guns, explosions etc), ships that move (such as carriers), and>possibly a real ATC that you can jump in and spectate or>operate yourself, either multiplayer or AI aircraft.>>Maybe Microsoft can buy licenses for payware products for FS9>and use jets and scenery in FS11? That will make 3 versions>available. FS2009X, FS2009X Deluxe and FS2009X Expert. Expert>will have all the fruit and the most realistic (such as PSS>and PMDG) functioning cockpits. I have to say I must one more thing.Emergency Procedures. A mayday call or a lower level 'Priority, Priority, Priority' I am not sure if it priority, but it is a word used which is not mayday, but indicates you are in trouble. Someone correct me please.I would like to see proper procedures for 'engine out', 'fire', and other common emergencies pilots are trained in Airlines) such as depressurization (15 seconds to attach facial hug mask-Oxygen). Terrorist practise, setting the sqauwk code to 7700. Just a couple of emergencies of which there could be much more!BTW, anyone tried doing a Night flight (similar to the 757 that had its pitot static tubes taped over and had no Airspeed or Altitude indications) with a blocked (can be simulated from within FS9) pitot static tube?

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Leo:Windows 7 (unofficially the official name, aka Windows Vienna, aka Windows Blackcomb) is in development now and Milestone 1 has been released to a very closed audience. Right now, the target release date for Windows 7 is between 2009 and 2010 (grain of salt added).With that said, FSX was released six months before Vista was available to the public. Almost none of the architecture required for DX10 support was included in FSX despite it being touted as the showcase title for DX10 and Vista. And with the current version of DX10 being DX10.1, FSX is not in the ballpark when compared to fully DX10/DX10.1 games such as Crysis.So judging by that track record I would doubt that Aces will wait for Windows 7 to be released before they release FS11.It is very interesting to see how FSX and Vista are so closely tied together however. Both received very lukewarm receptions. Both have spit the community with users of FS9 refusing to move to FSX as well as users of WindowsXP refusing to move to Vista. Both perform poorly on current midrange systems and both require the latest new hardware to run at peak performance as compared to the previous version. And peak performance on Vista / FSX is STILL slower than the previous versions. Both are bloated with things that serve very little purpose that leave people scratching their heads (read: User Account Control / Flour bombing missions). But in turn failed to address issues that were actually looked forward. Oh well, here's to FS11 and Windows 7. Unless FlightGear takes-off (no pun intended) or another operating system takes the place of Windows we're all locked in for a penny or for a pound.

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>At the end of the day, there was once a FSX wishlist threadWould be interesting to see what the FSX wishlist was!I echo David's comments, well Said!

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Then this begs the question of why was microsoft pushing bloated software that they knew from the get go would offer nothing new and run like a complete disaster? If they are changing the architecture, which i doubt, then they could have easily released nor vista nor fs10.... But then again it comes down to money but that seems to be backfiring more and more with every release.........

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I want a totally new and vastly improved ATC. I also want the sim to be able to handle huge amounts of AI in an effective manner. This means separation, multiple runways in use, but not in a locked star mode. It should be possible to set runway ends independently from their reciprocal ends and their "parallel" brothers and sisters. Etc... I want ATC to pay attention to my parking code. Etc... I want to configure a runway for tailwind use to a certain wind speed in the airport's Afcad. Etc... Sloped runways. Etc...I think we all know what the problems are, they've been well documented and absolutely ignored in FSX, it's time to fix those problems and it's gonna take a rewrite, not an update.If none of this is in FSXI, I'm not gonna buy it. And I mean it, I bought FSX Deluxe on release day and man, do I still regret that...Hardcore FS9 and XP user here, with a brand-new and fast system. It's not just about performance anymore. And this goes for FS and OS. We need real progress...Anyhoo, we'll see what happens, but I'm not all that optimistic.;-)

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Sounding good Mike, Like your thinking and AI traffic has come along way in a short space of time but then seem to have ground to a hault really where FSX is concerned. I mean im not an FSX user (FS9 hardcore and will be until I see a sim that can offer something like the above!) But from what I have read there does not seem to many major advances. Am quite happy with what FS9 can offer me and as said until I see something from a new sim that appeals to me then I shall stay an FS9 user. Also agree with the comment above about the amount that people pay. I mean I dont have a problem with paying for a hobby but when a new FS comes out there seems to be a running jump by masses of peiople and when it comes down to the nitty gritty there is little difference to justify the spending.Just my thoughts anyway!

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And here's the rub. Aces / Microsoft wants to bring new audiences into flight simming to boost revenue; fair enough, they are in business to make money after all, BUT:Who is going to pay $50.00 to play a berzerk flour bomber, pretend to be Jacques Cousteau on a whale watching mission, or, take on the role of Steve Irwin observing the migratory habits of the Sudanese Long Haired Yak? Ain't gonna happen. Who ever came up with that in the marketing department should now have a solid career in the mailroom at Walmart.Doing that is equivalent to thinking that you can get more people to get interested in Water Polo by giving away free beer, and having a laser light show and fireworks extravaganza at every game. Water polo, like flight simulation, is a niche market enjoyed by a set group of people. If you want to get more people interested in it then point out the fun parts of what it has to offer and teach them why it is so exciting. Adding still bits of silly diversionary fluff will do absolutely nothing. You are NOT going to get a guy who paints himself in Oakland Raiders colors every Sunday to attend a Water Polo game. Just like you are not going to get a hardcore FPS gamer to get interested in FS by selling a air racing and aircraft carrier landing module and giving it a cool name like...Acceleration! Its called getting to KNOW YOUR TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC!Make FS as realistic as possible in relation to real world aviation and show people what its really like to fly and they will have a sense of accomplishment when they master it. Get people to call their friends and say "hey look what I can do, I bet YOU can't!"Anway, soapbox off, its all been said already. But I leave you all with this: "If you can't lead a horse to water, then give him beer because sometimes he doesn't like soda."

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