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Hi,Both my PMDG 747 and MD-11 have recently started to bank gently, left to right, about 3-4 degrees each side, along the navigation track. I have no significant weather or winds and no recent add-on's that could explain this. Any thoughts would be appreciated.Meekal

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Slowly changing winds will do exactly what you describe. You didn't mention if the aircraft are remaining on track, which is what they are supposed to do. Microslop also has a problem where mag variations vary, the aircraft will suddenly nudge to the left or right passing from one value to the next (at least that is my theory). Bottom line, it is working if you are tracking.

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Hi,Both my PMDG 747 and MD-11 have recently started to bank gently, left to right, about 3-4 degrees each side, along the navigation track. I have no significant weather or winds and no recent add-on's that could explain this. Any thoughts would be appreciated.Meekal
Thanks for responding. It's tracking alright. She will bank to the left and start to go off track, but will come back to the centerline, and then bank to the right and go off track, but come back, and so on. On a longish flight, watching the instruments and this banking going on endlessly from side to side can make you sick! This does not happen with my other sims and I think I must have all of them! So I remain perplexed.Meekal

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Meekal:I'm guessing you have Active Sky enabled? There is an issue with that FSUIPC and the 744 attributed to cloud turbulence. Try "Disable All Cloud Turbulence" in FSUIPC and let us know if that fixes the issue.

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Meekal:I'm guessing you have Active Sky enabled? There is an issue with that FSUIPC and the 744 attributed to cloud turbulence. Try "Disable All Cloud Turbulence" in FSUIPC and let us know if that fixes the issue.
Hi,I am usually always asked whether I have any of these fancy add-on's! Being a strictly flying buff, with a desire for maximum smoothness, I have nothing added. Indeed, since I mostly fly with cloud cover (simple clouds) and my approaches are low visibility, I don't care for the quality of the scenery either. In both the 747 and the MD-11, I have the FO's LCD's turned off as well as the blurring of the overhead (I forget the technical term) to get that maximum smoothness. However, I will try and disable the option you have suggested and see what happens. Incidentally, I was flying a default this morning and an F.28 yesterday, with no problems at all.Thanks for your time,Meekal

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Run a test flight with clear weather/no winds and see if that makes a difference. The one addon I think is required is a registered version of FSUIPC to smooth the weather. It is a Microslop problem that existed in both FS9 and FSX.

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It is a Microslop problem...
I hate to be a stick in the mud, but can you please stop referring to Microsoft as "Microslop"?If not for them, PMDG wouldn't be nearly as successful as it is, so I think you could be a little less condescending.Regards,Nick

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If not for them, PMDG wouldn't be nearly as successful as it is, so I think you could be a little less condescending.
That is my opinion, bud. I don't work for or represent PMDG either. The ACES team created FSX with one thing in mind, to spur sales of a stale product. They did this by dressing up the visuals (scenery and textures) and added an API, which I believe they did to improve their code wrangling efficiency and then sold it as a added feature. Their atmospheric modelling is very rudimentary, sufficient for their poorly modeled default aircraft, but wholly inadequate for a high fidelity simulation and is a carry over from FS2000. They continue to encode global navigation data, which changes a little over a period of 56 days and significantly over a period of two years, in hard-coded scenery files and provide no reasonable method for updates, and used the same data in most cases as was provided in FS2004. In my opinion, they make a low cost C172 simulator that others (PMDG et al) have found ways to implant quality products but not without many man-years of effort. To their credit, they recognize the boost to sales due to the after-market suppliers and make an effort to work with them.I don't find that condescending, rather my attitude towards their product is cynical.

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You do represent PMDG, its right there in your big old signature. As much as I "love" PMDG - and let there be no doubt that I do - I find it more than a little annoying that they let a beta tester run around ripping on the very platform that has provided for their success. To the detriment of some very dedicated people, I might add.I don't come to the PMDG forum to read about what you think of Microsoft, so why don't you check your prejudices at the door, bud?Nick

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You do represent PMDG, its right there in your big old signature. As much as I "love" PMDG - and let there be no doubt that I do - I find it more than a little annoying that they let a beta tester run around ripping on the very platform that has provided for their success. To the detriment of some very dedicated people, I might add.I don't come to the PMDG forum to read about what you think of Microsoft, so why don't you check your prejudices at the door, bud?Nick
Oh dear, we seem to be off topic here. Adding my two cents, I am not a great fan of MS. They make a good platform for other more talented and dedicated people to use. Imagine life as simmers if we were stuck with the appalling defaults they produce. Sometimes, I feel insulted. As though MS is mocking us. The banking today was really quite terrible -- from side to side, about 25 degrees in each direction. She smoothens out on approach and finals are rock solild (afterI ran the Registery Cleaner). I don't think I had any weather but I will run it again. I do not have a registered copy of FUPIC. Meekal

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I don't come to the PMDG forum to read about what you think of Microsoft, so why don't you check your prejudices at the door, bud?
Dan has no financial stake at PMDG, he is not paid in any way. So when he posts here he doesn't speak for PMDG. He like anyone else here is entitled to write Microslop (I personally wouldn't write this), it is his opinion and he has a right to express it. This is a free discussion forum subject to rules posted above and I don't see where he broke those rules, hyperboles, exaggerations and other similar forms of speech are allowed. So in fact you are completely off base, visiting this forum you may find many things you don't want to read - if this is the case just skip and move on or set-up your own forum and invent your own rules where you will demand strict accountability for every single word.

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Wrong.I entered a thread expecting to find a discussion regarding the banking tendencies of the MD-11. I did not click on a thread titled "PMDG beta tester bashes microsoft". If I had, then your argument might hold some weight.I'm a PMDG customer, and when I read the posts of someone who has a giant PMDG logo in their signature, and that person speaks authoritatively on matters regarding PMDG's products, then I'm afraid he does speak for PMDG.I simply asked that he not refer to the dedicated people at Microsoft, as "Microslop". Its rude, disrespectful, and unnecessary. Try putting the shoe on the other foot, and imagine people associated with the FSX beta test publicly mocking the PMDG team. Do you think PMDG customers wouldn't say something? Do you think MS would keep them around?

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Back on topic, please try a flight with clear weather selected (no clouds, no winds, std atmosphere) and see if you experience the banking problem. If not, then I recommend a registered copy of FSUIPC. It does an excellent job of smoothing the weather variations inherent in MSFS. I set it to dampen variations to 1 deg/kt per 5 sec, which seems fairly realistic (I've been flying for 38 yrs). Hope this helps.

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Dan , I have a registered copy of FSUIPC with smooth winds, and pressure and the ac is banking very noticeable during climb, and less in cruise and descent. With other add-ons, no problem. Very annoying, because i love this plane from PMDG...Best.Miquel Egea.

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What are your FSUIPC settings? The default setup is x events per second, I found it has to be changed to 1 event per x seconds. Just a thought. With enough dampening, I can watch the winds change direction/velocity and the heading will slightly adjust but it is not apparent unless you look for it; and this is with ASX or the default download updates (I prefer ASX).

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Hi , Dan, an early test. I have uninstalled the last version, and installed an older one 747 PAX V7.1R1 and 747F V10R2, and everything is OK. Climb, cruise...like a charm, again. Maybe someone from the developers can help.Best.Miquel Egea.

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Hi , Dan, an early test. I have uninstalled the last version, and installed an older one 747 PAX V7.1R1 and 747F V10R2, and everything is OK. Climb, cruise...like a charm, again. Maybe someone from the developers can help.Best.Miquel Egea.
I don't think one flight last evening makes for a trend, but it was smooth as silk. I did take out the Cold Front weather theme and put in Clear Weather. Maybe that was the issue as suggested above. She descended too late so I had to do a 360 but that is a separate point!I will monitor this banking issue carefully because I would like to find a solution to it. It spoils an otherwise brilliant sim.Do I understand correctly that unless you have a registered copy of FSUPIC you cannot put in any weather because the FSX engine cannot handle it? That still does not explain how all my other sims, a huge collection of them, and the defaults, have no problem whatsoever. Meekal

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I don't think one flight last evening makes for a trend, but it was smooth as silk. I did take out the Cold Front weather theme and put in Clear Weather. Maybe that was the issue as suggested above. She descended too late so I had to do a 360 but that is a separate point!I will monitor this banking issue carefully because I would like to find a solution to it. It spoils an otherwise brilliant sim.Do I understand correctly that unless you have a registered copy of FSUPIC you cannot put in any weather because the FSX engine cannot handle it? That still does not explain how all my other sims, a huge collection of them, and the defaults, have no problem whatsoever. Meekal
I had this happen on one flight and its not done it again. I have no idea what caused it, just wanted you to know it does happen to others, just not consistantly. I fly with 'RW' weather as well.

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That still does not explain how all my other sims, a huge collection of them, and the defaults, have no problem whatsoever.
Well, it does ..sort of .. at least it points to a highly plausible explanation.If for example this 747 has ratio of drag coefficient (front, side,rear)/weight modeled differently (better?) than other aircraft then its reaction to a very quickly changing wind will be different. If my theory is correct then a heavier aircraft will be more susceptible to it than a lighter one. Like Dan said above - there are only 2 solutions - flying with 0 wind or having registered version of FSUIPC. I wonder about this new weather product REX how well behaved it is.

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