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Wilco or Eaglesoft Citation

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Was saving up for Wilco Citation X, and now I've noticed Eaglesoft have one.Now I'm all confused!Any thoughts on either. I'm more interested in the VC rather than external model look. Thought the verticle profile in the wilco version looked interesting, and from the screenshots the wilco VC looks a little more slick.

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I've seen both and Wilco is much better overall. Just my opinion.Goran

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I've seen both and Wilco is much better overall. Just my opinion.Goran

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Eaglesoft has had a Citation X out for many years. It was recently rebuilt to v2.0 with vastly improved textures, interior, virtual cockpit and a totally new gauge system which includes a fully-functional FMS.I have both. I don't think I need to say which I prefer... :(

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Eaglesoft all the way. Don't get caught up in that Wilco 'stuff'. I have both, and Eaglesoft is by far the most superior in so many ways. Nuff said.Rich.

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I prefer to fly VC as well and have both offerings and prefer ES's CX v2.0 by a longshot. The VC in FT's CX just doesn't look finished especially when looking to the sides.

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If comparing please be sure to use our CX2.0, not CX1.0 since it is now six years old. :(

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If comparing please be sure to use our CX2.0, not CX1.0 since it is now six years old. ^_^
Hi Ron,Ver 1.0 may be six years old but I've only had it for about a year. I'd very much like to acquire ver 2.0 but I can't get past the feeling my ver 1.0 purchase was wasted money. Many owners of ver 1.0 had assumed, wrongly it seems, ver 2.0 would be an upgrade and thus discounted. Too bad, but I realize you and your crew put in a lot of hours to make it better, and are entitled to compensation.Jack

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Jack, you are correct. We've been very transparent from the beginning of the CX2.0 Project that it is not an upgrade or rebuild.CX2.0 is a completely new project from the ground up and in fact there is nothing shared among the two except a few authentic gauge sounds.Over a years worth of CX1.0 use and still quite usable for a mere $27.95 doesn't strike us as wasted money but we do understand how simmers think.CX2.0 is an in depth, complex simulation with all the features listed on our CX2.0 Page either completed or in process.We are often baffled by simmers expectations that they are some how entitled to two years of hard work, new techniques, and new methods for some pittance. :(

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Oh you Eaglesoft fans have swayed me I think.To Eaglesoft. I very nearly had the Wilco one, because there are a gazillion screenshots of the product. The eaglesoft site has one very dull VC shot at an odd angle.

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Register and drop in to our CX2.0 forum for more shots...We hope to redo our website to allow more pix as soon as schedules permit :(

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I like both for different reasons. A few observations.... Its a ying and yang thing. (Looks vs Function)The ESDG CX absolutely KILLS the FT/Wilco version in every possible visual way. The VC, gauges, interior, EVERYTHING looks super-sweet in the ESDG plane.It really is a very very nice vc cockpit, and the gauge clarity is the best I've seen.The attention to detail is great, and includes all sorts of neat RW touches, such as the PRE button that allows you to set VOR1 course while still in the FMS mode (nice!)But for me, this plane has some function/programming issues, but to be fair, its not finished, and I eagerly await the NavData update, with hopes that all FMS and autopilot issues will be addressed.Looking over my freshly built pc's application event log reveals that "esdg_citationx.gau" is the sole offender to receive a red "X Error" and cause a crash.The FT plane has its FMS roots all the way back to the ERJ (I assume) - It works, it works well, and it never crashes or does weird stuff... for me anyway.The autopilot works very well.The throttles work very well - the same definitely can not be said about the ESDG "FADEC" stuff. Hard to control, Yoyo's (youll see), and has zero precision.The FT captures LOC and GS every time, no weirdness there - again, the ESDG cant keep up.Basically... everything in the FT works pretty good.It has those really great knobs that right-click for increments of 10deg or 1000 feet - that knob feature should be demanded from every developer.Although, after fooling with both, I have serious doubts about the performance of the FT being accurate.I could go on forever, but the gist of what I'm saying is one looks great, the other works great - Bothe are good and neither is "bad".I really look forward to the final NavData and new autopilot/FMS update for the ESDG - It just might put their plane over the top in both, visuals and function.One last thing.The final bit of a satisfying flight for me is the moment of touch-down. Its a combination of the landing gear dampening and rebound, airframe gyrations-pitch/roll/yaw and of course, sound! Those of you who have mastered landing the CaptainSim F-104 know exactly what I mean. (Grab it for $15 from Flight1 just for the landings - its fantastic!)The FT plane has captured the landing sensation better than the ESDG plane.

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... which includes a fully-functional FMS....
That's very good news!I reckon the "Nav Data" update finally has been released after 8 months!Where can I download it?

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That's very good news!I reckon the "Nav Data" update finally has been released after 8 months!Where can I download it?
Not yet. It's very close to being ready for beta testing. Note that the post you quoted was from last January... :(

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Hi Ron,Ver 1.0 may be six years old but I've only had it for about a year. I'd very much like to acquire ver 2.0 but I can't get past the feeling my ver 1.0 purchase was wasted money. Many owners of ver 1.0 had assumed, wrongly it seems, ver 2.0 would be an upgrade and thus discounted. Too bad, but I realize you and your crew put in a lot of hours to make it better, and are entitled to compensation.Jack
Me too. I was a little disappointed with v1 (and boy does it take a year for those engines to spool up on the runway) but accept that it is old by todays standards. I would love to have v2, but not giving even a simbolic discount to previous owners is not right.

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Me too. I was a little disappointed with v1 (and boy does it take a year for those engines to spool up on the runway) but accept that it is old by todays standards. I would love to have v2, but not giving even a simbolic discount to previous owners is not right.
Even cars don't hold much trade in value after many years of hard use... It would be a different matter were v2.0 simply an "update" rather than a completely new model, new textures, new flight dynamics and new gauge/panel system...

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Me too. I was a little disappointed with v1 (and boy does it take a year for those engines to spool up on the runway) but accept that it is old by todays standards. I would love to have v2, but not giving even a simbolic discount to previous owners is not right.
The entire panel was completely rewritten from the ground up, including the following:
  • Updated and accurate dual bus electrical system.
  • Updated and accurate panel lighting system.
  • Updated panel artwork, including all gauges.
  • All CRT displays converted to GDI+.

The flight dynamics were completely reworked to provide an extremely accurate representation of the real deal.The 3D model was completely redesigned to support a new VC lighting system that's 100% representative of the real deal.The textures were also redone from the ground up to match the new 3D model.It is not, by any stretch of the imagination the same aircraft as the v1.

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I'm an Eaglesoft fan and would like to beg your indulgence to hijack this thread with a quick question for any of the Eaglesoft group...WarpD, n4gi, Ron...Is that why there are 2 listings for the Citation X on the Eaglesoft web site...the Citation X 750 is the version 1 of the version 2 Citation X which is listed separately?Mark

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Yes. There's the Citation X V1 and the Citation X V2.

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I'm an Eaglesoft fan and would like to beg your indulgence to hijack this thread with a quick question for any of the Eaglesoft group...WarpD, n4gi, Ron...Is that why there are 2 listings for the Citation X on the Eaglesoft web site...the Citation X 750 is the version 1 of the version 2 Citation X which is listed separately?Mark
Mark, the Eaglesoft Citation X V1.0 was released early January 2004 which makes it now six years old and of course is not the latest technology.Three years ago we decided to completely remodel from scratch, remap, revise, add new features, and release as a totally new Citation X Extreme V2.0.The product description is on our website and also in our support forums if interested in knowing more about the in depth realism contained in our Citation X Extreme V2.0.Here is an excerpt from our Citation X Extreme V2.0 Webpage...Cessna Citation X Extreme V2.0 is built for the "Advanced" Flight Simulator Enthusiast who wishes to own a "More Realistic Citation X with Advanced Operation and Features Set" regardless of costs. Cessna Citation X Extreme V2.0 is not intended to be an "Update" or "Upgrade" to our present Cessna Citation X V1.0 Flight Simulator 2004/FSX model but rather a new product at its own pricepoint.As already mentioned there is no trade in value in FS products but we can say that anyone who paid $27.95 six years ago has certainly gotten his moneys worth. :( Hope this helps eliminate confusion.

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I do understand now...it does make sense. Appreciate the clarity :)Mark

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Guys I also have both versions, and lemme tell you... the difference between them is night and day.V2.0 is soooo much further down the road :)

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Guys I also have both versions, and lemme tell you... the difference between them is night and day.V2.0 is soooo much further down the road :)
Thanks very much gentlemen. Oh, almost forgot...while comparing, check the selectable level of night lit panel text in our CX Extreme 2.0.Full bright to full dim and lovely anytime the sun is down just like the real thing :(

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