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JS41 and Windows 7 UAC

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Ryan mentioned in a thread in the Windows 7 forum that there may be an issue with UAC and the JS41.The first thing I did after getting Windows 7 installed was to turn off UAC and I've left it off ever since. I installed FSX after turning UAC off but Ryan said there may be an issue with running the JS41 and UAC off.As it's looking close for release should I just leave things as is and try it out or should I reformat Windows 7 and reinstall everything with UAC set to default?

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I would defiantly not do anything until a problem actually occurs, kinda like fixing your car before it breaks. Even if there is a problem just turn UAC back on. Good luck

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From what I was told simply turning it back on wouldn't solve the issue and that a full format may be required.

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Guys, we're really not sure what the issue is exactly yet. Something does happen, several of us have verified it, but most of the team is not running Win 7 RTM yet (if you're running the RC you're fine, this issue is occurring only with the final RTM code that MSDN people etc have access to) I was able to verify that a full FSX uninstall (including registry entries etc) does reset the issue, you don't have to format.We're going to look at this after release and we'll hopefully have it resolved before the actual retail Windows 7 release. My fingers are very much crossed that MS didn't do something that isn't going to get fixed because of ACES no longer existing... it worked perfectly fine in the RC, so I was pretty upset to see this come up with the RTM. Initially I thought everything was fine with the RTM too, but then this popped up a few days after I'd installed RTM.There is a workaround I discovered, and that's to load up the default Cessna 172 first and then load the J41 from there. It's an inconvenience, but the plane does work when you do this.Here's what the issue looks like - deflected control surfaces in the Free Flight screen and then blank/frozen gauges in the plane once you actually load it.Please note too that this issue is not guaranteed to occur or something like that, it's working correctly for me right now and has been for the last few RC versions. We did see it for sure after installing the plane with UAC off though, but I've seen it happen with UAC on now too, just randomly starts happening.

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Typical MS screw-up.If you could debug it to death on both RC and RTM, and let us know exactly what is different, it would be greatly appreciated.Best regards,Robin.

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I see strange issues with vista x64 and UAC turned off with the PMDG 747X, disappearing textures, messed up panel states, etc. I wonder if its some general issue?

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I don't know, 413X3, I use Vista64 with UAC off (always) and never knew it could be a problem.

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Typical MS screw-up.If you could debug it to death on both RC and RTM, and let us know exactly what is different, it would be greatly appreciated.Best regards,Robin.
Well obviously RTM is the version we have to deal with... I ran RC for most of the beta test and I see no differences at all aside from this issue as far as FSX goes. The RTM version is faster and more snappy in the general use of the OS though, which is good.

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I also run Vista 64-bit with UAC disabled and haven't noticed any adverse side-effects.I'm currently running the Win 7 RC with UAC disabled, and so far it is running very well.Good to hear that generally the RTM is even quicker. Shame about this problem.Are you running the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Win 7?Best regards,Robin.

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I used to get some problems with textures missing and some crashes but I recently did a fresh install of Vista and activated the real Administrator account ( the one that they hide from you) And I seem to have less oddities when using FSX. I'll will probably do the same when and if I ever upgrade to 7.

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I also run Vista 64-bit with UAC disabled and haven't noticed any adverse side-effects.I'm currently running the Win 7 RC with UAC disabled, and so far it is running very well.Good to hear that generally the RTM is even quicker. Shame about this problem.Are you running the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Win 7?Best regards,Robin.
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Thanks for the reply Ryan. I'm running the RC so I'll just leave things be and see how things go. When running a beta of anything, especially Windows, issues are bound to occur - just wanted a heads up on whether or not I should quickly format ahead of time or not. Seems that's a not fortunately :)

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UAC can be turned off in Windows 7 RTM if that's an issue, and it's a simple matter of dragging a slider down - no longer a complex procedure requiring an advanced degree or certificate :)Cheers,

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UAC can be turned off in Windows 7 RTM if that's an issue, and it's a simple matter of dragging a slider down - no longer a complex procedure requiring an advanced degree or certificate :)Cheers,
That's the entire issue here - with it OFF, you see this issue. That slider does not appear to do what disabling UAC did in Vista either, it's no longer possible to have it fully off, all the slider does is essentially tell the OS to click the UAC prompts internally for you.

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I'm sure there must be a way to disable it properly in the registry, it is still basically Vista after all is said and done.

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I found there is a difference when FSX is installed in the Program Files folder: Program Files folder + UAC off no problems other (e.g. C:\FSX) + UAC off: occasional freeze

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I found there is a difference when FSX is installed in the Program Files folder: Program Files folder + UAC off no problems other (e.g. C:\FSX) + UAC off: occasional freeze
That's interesting... mine is D:\FSXHmm...

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What are the permissions between C:\ and C:\Program Files?Best regards,Robin.

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Guys, we're really not sure what the issue is exactly yet. Something does happen, several of us have verified it, but most of the team is not running Win 7 RTM yet (if you're running the RC you're fine, this issue is occurring only with the final RTM code that MSDN people etc have access to) I was able to verify that a full FSX uninstall (including registry entries etc) does reset the issue, you don't have to format.We're going to look at this after release and we'll hopefully have it resolved before the actual retail Windows 7 release. My fingers are very much crossed that MS didn't do something that isn't going to get fixed because of ACES no longer existing... it worked perfectly fine in the RC, so I was pretty upset to see this come up with the RTM. Initially I thought everything was fine with the RTM too, but then this popped up a few days after I'd installed RTM.There is a workaround I discovered, and that's to load up the default Cessna 172 first and then load the J41 from there. It's an inconvenience, but the plane does work when you do this.Here's what the issue looks like - deflected control surfaces in the Free Flight screen and then blank/frozen gauges in the plane once you actually load it.Please note too that this issue is not guaranteed to occur or something like that, it's working correctly for me right now and has been for the last few RC versions. We did see it for sure after installing the plane with UAC off though, but I've seen it happen with UAC on now too, just randomly starts happening.
Ryan can you test this, I'm using Vista 64, I never had a problem with the JS41, yesterday I added this line to my fsx cfg file "Disable Preload=1" now Im getting black screens and in the flight window the js41 looks exactly like the pic you posted. I removed this entry from the cfg and now things are normal again.

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I've definitely been able to run the plane just using DisablePreload=1.

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I've been able to reproduce this everytime, I just added it again to the cfg file, when I start the flight the aircraft in the flight window is all messed up, when I load the flight all the screens are blank and the PB is off and no sound with the engines running, when I remove this entry from the cfg file and restart fsx the plane returns to normal. I know some people are having problems with blank screens and other issues, thought they might want to check this out, maby it will resolve some issues.

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Looks like this may actually be it guys - I may have been mistaken in saying that I was able to run it with Preload disabled... Matt's looking into why this could be happening, hopefully we'll have a fix.

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Looks like this may actually be it guys - I may have been mistaken in saying that I was able to run it with Preload disabled... Matt's looking into why this could be happening, hopefully we'll have a fix.
I can reproduce it on Windows 7 RC, too - I just never noticed because I always load a default aircraft first, then the JS41.Windows 7 64-bit RC (build 7100), UAC off, disablepreload=1, installed to D:\FSX. If I select the JS41 now (without loading a default flight first), I see the deflected control surfaces.But as I said, everything works fine with the JS41 with my normal procedure of loading the default FSX flight first, then the JS41. Which everyone probably ought to be doing anyway.

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I can reproduce it on Windows 7 RC, too - I just never noticed because I always load a default aircraft first, then the JS41.Windows 7 64-bit RC (build 7100), UAC off, disablepreload=1, installed to D:\FSX. If I select the JS41 now (without loading a default flight first), I see the deflected control surfaces.But as I said, everything works fine with the JS41 with my normal procedure of loading the default FSX flight first, then the JS41. Which everyone probably ought to be doing anyway.
I'm running the Windows 7 64-bit RTM, with UAC off (it was OFF when I installed FSX and All my addons), disablepreload is 1 and I'm also installed at D:\FSX. I am NOT getting any of these issues with the J41. I have the same build on another machine if you'd like me to try installing FSX and the J41 to the standard C:\Program Files(x86) directory.Cheers,Sam Allen

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