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Will these airports ever be produced?

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Just curious to know how come there is none of the following Airport Scenery:Africa (Nairobi, Sudan or Lagos or Seychelles)Middle East like Dubai, Jeddah, DohaThere are lots of Europe Scenery, USA, Singapore, Hong Kong, it would be nice to see the above mentioned

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I venture to guess that airports are made where most simmers typically live or where VATSIM coverage is most active. And this means the heart of Europe and the USA. I personally don't care for Africa but I care a lot about the Caribbean - though so close to the US there are few 3-rd party airports available there. And even the coverage in the US is very sparse. So I wish we were at the point where Africa was the only remaining "blank" zone - it is not.Michael J.http://www.reality-xp.com/community/nr/rsc/rxp-higher.jpg

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I personally would love to see Simflyers doing a Sydney.. now that would be nice! :-hah

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>I personally would love to see Simflyers doing a Sydney.. now>that would be nice! :-hahAmen!Wolfgang

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Check out Singapore Forever scenery, I don't exactly know where to find it, but it's really neat!

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Airports get designed when someone wants them. You x posted this in scenery design, and I told you the truth there, I'll say it again, the reason these airports aren't designed yet is that YOU haven't designed them.Jump in, design them....tools are free, advice is freely given. Show you are willing to do some WORK and the designers will go out of their way to help. Start whining that OTHERS haven't worked enough, you'll get a VERY cold shoulder.Bob Bernstein

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If you're referring to Sydney, Australia... there is a terrific Sydney over at Sydney Flight Sim Centre. Unfortunately SFSC was a casualty of a drive crash and may still be offline. But it should come back pretty soon.You may be able to find the scenery at Aussim.com too.-Lindy :-rotor :-wave

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Didn't sound like he was whining to me. No where in this post did he accuse anyone of having "not worked enough" It was just a simple question. I believe 'curious' was term used. Trying to intimidate someone with threats of a "cold shoulder" isn't the best way to encourage people to participate in the flight sim community. Everyone else responded politely.Just a friendly thought. John Fitzpatrick

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Hi,It's one of my dreams to see JEDDAH or CAIRO airports, i dont know why r they always forgotton, i think most of Virtual Airlines Fly to them.For Dubai intl. you can find it here atwww.emiratesva.comBut its not complete yetThanks

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Hi John Thanks for your supportBobI don't know who you think you are, but if you haven't got anything else useful to say, then don't reply to this thread (USE COMMON SENSE IF YOU HAVE GOT ANY??) I am not asking anybody to go out and create them especially for me, if they where created then you probaly would gladly have them on your sim. On the subject of common sense, I AM NOT A DESIGNER, if I COULD make the above airports do you think I will be posting the above??I will ignore any future correspondance from you despite what you write, so please stop acting like you are better than everybody else because your not.I hope this clarify the above!Thank you to everybody else for contributing to this thread, feel free to add more comments.All the bestVOR

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You suggest I have made a non-supportive post...worthy of being ignored...that I haven't used common sense. What I think you mean is that I don't agree with your idea that designers are not normal common folk. Your own example of common sense was....<The reason I don't have "common sense" as you define it is that the sense you view as "common" is "wrong". Designers ARE just common people. The only difference between you and a designer is you haven't made an effort yet to try. Read my message...it tells you to try. My advice is not antagonistic, and is FAR more helpful than the other posts in this thread, if your ACTUAL goal is to fly from airports that are not on the priority list of current designers.If the only way you can communicate with others is with a sugar coating, then cya later.Course you'll "fully ignore" this so I can say anything I want.Ciou,Bob B

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John...reread my post....nothing "real" impolite about it....certainly not intimidating. You took the discussion to this next level, not me. In fact, I offered that folks will be very helpful as soon as this guy demonstrates that he's willing to do some work.YOu spoke to wanting to "encourage people to participate in the flight sim community". My post told this person that he REALLY CAN design....as can everyone. All you need is a desire to see things be different ----he has that---- (unless, I suppose..as you maintain, that he was just *curious*), and the courage to try. Rather than attempt to instigate a flame war, why not put your thinking cap on instead...read my message with an open mind.Lets REALLY encourage participation, rather than allow a person to maintain a misguided impression that design is beyond the abilities of normal folks.B

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Hi Lindy, I know, I've got that version & the Samsoft one.. not to disrespect the fine work Clive & Co. have done, but its not terribly detailed (I'm not whinging ;))

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Here is my interpretation for what it is worth, after rereading the posts, I think it is a common mistake of the meaning behind the written word, I can see both sides if this. As a designer I get my share of the ever increasing views and spoiled attitudes of the simming public of late expecting everything for free and now with all the bells and whistles, so it is very easy to take the original message out of context. (not saying that was done...) Bob, your post did come across a bit harsh sounding, I even went and read the one in the scenery design forum. As someone who has spent countless hours and days working with various design tools and trying to learn GMAX it can be a bit frustrating to deal with those that don't understand, have the desire to try or just plain don't care about what goes on behind the scenes in FS design.I say we just kiss and makeup and leave it as a misunderstanding (until round 2, LOL);-) Regards, Michaelhttp://mysite.verizon.net/res052cd/mybannercva1.jpgCalVirAir International VAwww.calvirair.comCougar Mountain Helicopters & Aviationwww.cgrmtnhelos.com

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fair enough...harsh I can identify with....sorry for harsh, vorI'll be happy to assist you if you wish to try scenery design. Difficulty in GMAX is understandable, yet wonderful work with Airport for Windows is possible with a much smaller investment in time and effort.B

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Hi,I'm not exactly Simflyers, but I have recently started a detailed Sydney which is frame rate friendly. I have attached a quick pic for you. Some work to go, like doing the textures, John you may like to help there??? Anyway, the ground, accurate taxiways etc have been done, just the 3d models now and I should be ready to release. Sydney in progress:http://forums.avsim.com/user_files/18801.jpgCheers,Danny Vickers :-waveAdelaide, AustraliaPS. I would like to do Melbourne and Canberra after this as they have been neglected for too long...

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Hi VOR."Will these airports ever be produced?"FS2002 has most, if not all these airfields as defaults. Am I right in that they are not to your liking, and you want some airport designer to remake them? Is that why you cross-posted in the design forum?Then Bob's comments, though perhaps harsh, are right on the money. Of the approximately 30,000 worldwide airfields, why would an airport designer drop everything he's doing, and rush to remodel one of the 3 default Nairobi airfields, if he had no interest in them?You, however, do express interest in them. So I agree with Bob, in that it would be more realistic for you to learn the basic design process ( many have ), rather than to expect anyone else to develop those projects for you. It would take some effort and time, but there is a whole forum here devoted to helping you out, when you get stuck.And everyone there also had no talent, or knowledge, at the beginning. Why not give it a shot? Start with a small airfield, and work your way up to a major airfield. That's how we all learn. It can be fun.Will they ever be produced?No. At least probably not. There are too many airfields and not enough airport designers. Most designers work on projects that are near their homes, or have special meaning to them. Apparently, no one has the interest in redesigning those airports.Dick

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Hi Danny, all I can say is wow!! and again wow! :-hahI'd be glad to help in any way I can, drop me an email john@projectopensky.com

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Hi,I think some people r not interested in scenery designing so they dont learn to. And thats not a shame or else`you want a car, go make it yourself'.Although i think virtual pilots r so thankful to scenery designers and appreciate thier work, me one of them .I was thinking to post at the scenery designing forum a request to make one of the mentioned airports, what do u think??????????Maybe it doesnt worth it.Thanks

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I am currently "designing" the airports at Seychelles and Praslin (and a few others in this area) together with remeshing and designing the ground to make it look a bit more like the photos I have found.I am learning everything from scratch but getting so much information from these forums that hopefully I will soon be able to upload my efforts (if anyone is interested that is).PS: I have not been able to find any photos showing an overview of the Seychelles or Praslin airports, so this has made my task more difficult. Perhaps this is one reason many airports are not modelled.Colin

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Hi Lindy,I have downloaded this scenery a while ago and it looks really great but it is such a frame rate eater.I have erased the included static a/c and still get only around 5 - 6 fps and that without(!) AI on my low end sys!WolfgangPIII 800Mhz512 MB SDRAMGeForce 3 Ti200Win Me

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Wolfgang, they had released a 'lite' version and also a more recent version which is better on the frames.Danny sent me some screenshots of the scenery, its going to be amazing when complete! :-hah

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As mentioned I am not asking people to make these Airports JUST FOR ME, I am wondering if maybe oneday they will be done, its not a crime.BobYou where harsh, but apology accepted, at the end of the day I like ready made airports like Garry Summons, I am no way implying it should be FREE of charge, if somebody did make the above airports then by old means I liked them, I will pay them with pleasure.Lets put this argument to a close now as it is wasting this thread.

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VOR,Just a suggestion but since you are so passionate about the airports you posted and therefore must have some knowledge of the airfields, maybe they are close to your home.Why not post, asking for a developer to assist you in designing them, this would be a good chance for you to join the ranks of scenery designers, remember everyone started anew, all good designers began as novices, even the likes of Simflyers.Just let them know it

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